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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 01:22 PM
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Bill Kristol: Bush's assault on Children (SCHIP) Is a good thing!
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Bush's impending Veto of the SCHIP bill which would cover an additional 4 Million more children seems to have really made Republicans happy. Almost giddy even. They really like the idea of denying health benefits to children, arguing that it shows that they are "fiscally responsible" and remain opponents to "big government."

(Opposed to "Big Government" except when it comes to killing and destruction via the Iraq War and the massive failure that is Homeland Security and FEMA that is...)

On Fox News Sunday Bill Kristol stated "I'm happy that the President is willing to do something bad for the kids..."

Are you now?

Kristol's core argument was that the Bipartisan SCHIP bill which has passed both the House and Senate represents a massive explosion of this health care "entitlement". This he feels is good thing for Republicans to argue against, and while they're at it he really didn't like how Democrats were using this situation to "exploit" children. Tsk. For shame.

KRISTOL: How pathetic is that, a twelve year-old kid giving the radio address? Nancy Pelosi "praying for the President"? You really wonder how stupid they think the American people are?

This was to cover children between 100% and 200% of poverty. Democrats are now expanding it up to 300% There are two ways, if you think you need to help people between 200% and 300% of the poverty line - you can do it two ways, you can expand government insurance or make it easier for people to by private insurance. Republicans want to make it easier, through the tax code, to by private insurance - Democrats want to expand government insurance.

To his credit Juan Williams (taking a break from his usual role as Bill O'Reilly's Favorite House Negro) pushed back hard on this point.

WILLIAMS: I’m surprised to hear you say, "Oh, how dare you use a child." What do Republicans do except use soldiers and everything else to bolster their arguments.

KRISTOL: Soldiers aren’t children.

WILLIAMS: Oh come on. Yeah, use uniforms and everything else. And in fact, put on — politicians get in uniforms and get on ships to talk about "missions accomplished." C’mon.

Williams is still a Spineless Faux News Token Democrat Doormat, but he does put up a good front sometimes doesn't he?

Here's a little factoid that the Right Wing doesn't want anyone to know - Private Health Insurance in America is far more expensive than any other health care in the world.

This graphic (which I orginally posted on "Michael Moore vs Sanjay Gupta: Part II") is taken from the latest UN Health Care Costs Per Capita report (pdf) on the Human Development Index (Top 10 Rankings for best quality of life standards by country).

Although the U.S. only ranks at number 8 on the Human Developement Index, the private portion of it's health care costs are literally through the roof, creating an overall cost for health care that is nearly twice that of every other industrialized nation.

With this in mind we can go back to Bill Kristol's claims that Democrats want to expand public health care so that people who are currently uninsured can find care and contrast it with Republicans who simply want to continue to line the overflowing pockets of the private health care providers.

This reality provides the answer to the question that Kristol dares not pose : How in the world is it possible that people earning $83,000 still can't afford health insurance for their children? His suggestion of tax incentives doesn't even address why the hell it costs so much, does it? The problem is that health care in this country is rationed, even the most elementary understanding of the economics of supply and demand tell us that when you have a constant and steady demand for a service the only way to increase profits is to choke off access to the supply.

Why is our private health insurance so expensive? Because it can be as long as the access and supply is limited. Mass production drives prices down, exclusivity keeps them high.

Beyond expanding access to public care, we also need to address the rabid profit incentives within the private health care industry to falsely deny claims, and create more and more barriers to care such as "pre-existing condition" clauses. It's not that turning a profit is wrong, it's just that doing it literally on the backs of the dying and suffering, particularly children, is just plain obscene and people like Kristol damn well know it.

They just don't care because Money Means All to them.

In addition, Factcheck.org has done an extensive debunk of the Bush Administration claims that the proposed expansion of SCHIP would provide health care for families earning as much as $83,000 a year.

President Bush gave a false description of proposed legislation to expand the 10-year-old federal program to provide health insurance for children in low-income working families.

He said it "would result" in covering children in families with incomes up to $83,000 per year, which isn't true. The Urban Institute estimated that 70 percent of children who would gain coverage are in families earning half that amount, and the bill contains no requirement for setting income eligibility caps any higher than what's in the current law. (The compromise bill that was released a few days after Bush's press conference does rescind an administration effort to block New York state from increasing its eligibility cap to that level.)

He also said the program was "meant to help poor children," when in fact Congress stated that it was meant to expand insurance coverage beyond the poor and to cover millions of "low-income" children who were well above the poverty line. Under current law most states cover children at twice or even three times the official poverty level.

Kristols claim that the Democratic expansion of SCHIP would provide health care for children at 300% poverty is bogus - the current law already provides for this depending on the state.

Media Matters also found that according to the CBO Bush's counter proposal to only increase SCHIP funding by $5 billion over the next five years would actually result in a $9 billion net reduction in funding and keep nearly 10 million children off the system.

So again we hear the mantra that "socialized medicine is bad", yet somehow throwing children either out of the health care system entirely, or forcing them to pay private insurance through the nose (using tax payer subsidies/incentives) is somehow an improvement? It remains amazing to me how this Administration can smile and giggle as they literally yank the health care from the mouths of babes - yet they do.

It's not the Democrats that are making them appear heartless, cruel and callous - they do a fine job of that all on their own.

Vyan

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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 01:47 PM
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1. Thanks for sharing the gory details with us.
My outrage has only increased since I first heard of Kristol's words.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:49 PM
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6. Juan Williams stands up for our children and our Country.
WILLIAMS: I’m surprised to hear you say, "Oh, how dare you use a child." What do Republicans do except use soldiers and everything else to bolster their arguments.

KRISTOL: Soldiers aren’t children.

WILLIAMS: Oh come on. Yeah, use uniforms and everything else. And in fact, put on — politicians get in uniforms and get on ships to talk about "missions accomplished." C’mon.

:bounce: :kick: :patriot:
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:03 PM
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2. hey bill, wipe that sheet eating grin off your face...
or i ll take a shovel and wipe off for you you sanctimounious asshole!!!
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hurricaneric Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:04 PM
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3. I just LOVE the hypocrisy of Kristol and Republicans in general
Yeah, sure they don't use children. Except for those "snowflake" babies they trot out every time Bush come vetoes stem cell research initiatives, which are supported by a vast majority of the American people just like ending the War in Iraq, SCHIP and numerous other Democratic legislative initiatives that Republicans have obstructed from being passed.
Fox TV is trash and Kristol should be kicked in the balls, assuming he actually has any.

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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:11 PM
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4. Republicans are not pro life. They are pro suffering and death
They have no regard for the sanctity of life what so ever.

Democrats should be shouting this across the land, exposing them for what they truly are.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 02:24 PM
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5. Bill Kristol and his Modest Proposal is not at all unlike
....A Modest Proposal For Preventing The Children of Poor People in the Ireland (a.k.a. U.S.A.)
From Being A Burden to Their Parents or Country, and For Making Them Beneficial to The Public

By Jonathan Swift (1729) (short)


It is a melancholy object to those who walk through this great town or travel in the country, when they see the streets, the roads, and cabin doors, crowded with beggars of the female sex, followed by three, four, or six children, all in rags and importuning every passenger for an alms. These mothers, instead of being able to work for their honest livelihood, are forced to employ all their time in strolling to beg sustenance for their helpless infants: who as they grow up either turn thieves for want of work, or leave their dear native country to fight for the Pretender in Spain, or sell themselves to the Barbadoes.
I think it is agreed by all parties that this prodigious number of children in the arms, or on the backs, or at the heels of their mothers, and frequently of their fathers, is in the present deplorable state of the kingdom a very great additional grievance; and, therefore, whoever could find out a fair, cheap, and easy method of making these children sound, useful members of the commonwealth, would deserve so well of the public as to have his statue set up for a preserver of the nation.

But my intention is very far from being confined to provide only for the children of professed beggars; it is of a much greater extent, and shall take in the whole number of infants at a certain age who are born of parents in effect as little able to support them as those who demand our charity in the streets.

”I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ...”
<MORE>

http://art-bin.com/art/omodest.html

It seems this is required reading for all neoconservatives as a "How To..." manual.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 06:09 PM
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20. we should reprint this and hand it out at repub functions
wonder if jeffery dahlmer was a republican
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 03:43 PM
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7. Free Republic has a daily Pray for President Bush thread.
How stupid do you think they are, Bill? Please, tell us.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:19 PM
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8. I'm surprised I didn't throw my laptop against the wall
The man continues to infuriate me. All of my so called "compassionate conservative" friends need to see this video. I've been called a "baby killer" because I support a woman's right to choose, but this video shows why we state that once that child is born, the folks on the right just don't give a damn anymore.
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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 09:30 PM
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13. The RIght to Life Party
doesn't seem to think any of us are "Entitled" to actually Living do they?

Vyan
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NoGodsNoMasters Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:53 PM
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15. You're SO right!!!
They will fight to the death, some will even kill, for the unborn (And I've noticed they always use the word fetus, never ZYGOTE as in early abortions or day-after pill, because it's harder to humanize.) The left should be jumping on this child healthcare thing. The Right wants to paint it as socialism, trying to invoking some left over cold-war resentment, and fuming about the government subsidizing these people, yet, the republicans (dems do it too, but FAR FAR less.) seem to think it is the govt. IE the taxpayers' responsibility to finance and bail out big corporations and the super-rich. This isn't capitalism vs socialism. This is socialism for the poor vs socialism for the rich. If you overhear one of these far-right types mouthing this nonsense feel free to call them on it, because thats' what it is. One of Bush's tax cuts saved the Walton family (Of Wal-Mart fame) 30 million dollars, just that ONE family, and they're complaining about how much it's going to cost to keep kids healthy???! Assholes.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:22 PM
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9. "The Republicans Don't Care About Our Children"
Dr. Howard Dean and the DNC should use the above saying as a stick to beat the Goopers with until Election Day 2008.

:kick:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:24 PM
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10. Bill Kristol is just one dirty asshole of the Neocons
If it ain't Kristol its Bolton or Wolfowitz or one of the other creeps....
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 04:49 PM
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11. I hear Kristol is a major big time drunk. This may be caused by his "republicanism".
I guess he has to sock down a few before he can do things like this...
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:56 PM
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18. That's another case of an influential right-wing Dad, right -- ??? Sociopaths ---
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 12:57 PM by defendandprotect
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 06:22 PM
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12. The only TV news I watch
is Olbermann, Stewart and Colbert. From what I undestand, Pox (deliberate typo) is the only place Ku Klux Kristol appears.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 10:55 PM
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14. Kristol's one claim to fame was his advice to kill Hillary Care 1994
, otherwise he warned that Americans would embrace the Democratic Party forever as the Party that solved their health care woes. In other words, he recommended that Republicans embrace the health crisis and keep it going forever and prevent any attempt by Dems to ever solve it, even if it meant dead babies.

I believe that the success of this advice from the early years of the Clintons has been vastly overrated. If you study history, it was time for a change in control of Congress to Republican, and Newt Gingrich a history professor from Georgia recognized this fact and took credit for it. Bill Kristol also stole credit for it.

He has been hyping himself as some king of right wing guru for the past 13 years based on that one idea of "deny people health care and they will vote Republican". This is the election in which he will be proved to be an utter moron. I hope he is taking massive pay offs from the health insurance industry, because no one will ever listen a word he says about health policy or foreign policy after this administration ever again.

A real s**t for brains. But then conservatives have seldom been known for their creative thinking. That is a problem with being part of an intellectual movement in which the highest you can aspire to is being Leni Reifenstahl.
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ForeignSpectator Donating Member (970 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 05:40 AM
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16. republicans are pro-life, my ass
Conservatives are a DISEASE all over the world. They are greedy, selfserving hypocrites, the same kind everywhere. They just make me sick.

And through their blatant hypocrisy, republicans deliver so much ammunition, it's there for the Democrats to just pick up and use.

I am starting to think there needs to be another great depression to wake people up, otherwise they'll just keep caring about britney, nascar or camping out for i-phones alone.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:56 PM
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17. Juan Williams did well; though remains a highly questionable individual re sucking up to GOP ....
Thanks for watching this garbage so we don't have to --

And I did very much like the Juan Williams spontaneity re challenging the GOP on using "military" props -- while denying $ for kids in need. He did it well -- and their certainly isn't much spontaneity among the GOP robot reciters.



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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:40 PM
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19. Bill Kristol should be tar'd and feather'd and ran out of the country on a turnip cart!.
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