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ashlarah Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-30-07 11:54 PM
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Democratic/Hillary Hypocrisy On Public Financing
 
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"Waycooljunior1" posted this on YouTube and I hope s/he puts together more videos like this one! This video shows clearly where hypocrisy lies. Butter won't melt in Hillary's mouth! Her answer to her deep campaign problems with Hsu: "The only answer to this set of circumstances is public financing, something that I strongly support." For other candidates only, apparently.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:01 AM
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1. The only answer to this set of circumstances is public financing" - is "mandatory" not a concept
understood on Youtube?

Current system means you can't accept gov financing unless the other fellow also accepts - otherwise you are limited as to money but the other fellow is not.

It must be mandatory for all running.
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ashlarah Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:40 AM
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7. I agree mandatory would be preferable
But Hillary and Obama are certainly positions where they don't have to worry about being outspent in the primary. Hillary is talking about the lack of public financing as an excuse for associating, literally, with criminals. Yet she won't use the financing she says would save her from that. She can't reject public financing and yet claim the lack of it as an excuse for fundraising scandals.
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ultraist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:10 AM
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2. Hillary only SAYS she supports public financing
I doubt she will walk the walk on this just as I highly doubt she will implement universal health care. I expect she will compromise so appease her big corporate donors, the insurance and pharmacuetical companies. Hillary has recieved more donations from insurance and pharm corps than any candidate, Democratic or Republican.
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zazzle Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:52 AM
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5. If Hillary could win on her own merits, the media wouldn't be promoting her
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:25 AM
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3. I've heard Bill Richardson come out and advocate public campaign financing on Laura Flanders' show
... some months back.

Also, Barack Obama is a cosponsor of a public campaign financing bill in the Senate that noone seems to want to talk about.

Public campaign financing is still that thing that candidates will mention in passing in one or two sentences at times, but NEVER go through and firmly push and support. It's very hard to tell when some of these folks are REALLY trying to break through the corporate media ICE on this subject, or if they are just trying to offer "window dressing" to their campaign to claim that they said something about it, even if they don't mean to do anything substantive about it.
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zazzle Donating Member (220 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 12:30 AM
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4. Hillary/Hsu08
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ashlarah Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 04:35 AM
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6. LOL
That is the way it feels to me.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:09 AM
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8. "The only answer to this... is public financing, something that I strongly support."
Edited on Mon Oct-01-07 07:09 AM by MethuenProgressive
"The only answer to this set of circumstances is public financing, something that I strongly support."
Clinton & Edwards = exact same opinon on public financing, no matter what bizarro spin his posters want others to believe.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:09 AM
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10. Re: "The only answer to this... is public financing, something that I strongly support."
How could Giggles say that with a straight face?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:04 AM
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9. here we go again. Where was your outrage when Biden said it?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 08:16 AM
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11. OPer forgets until a few days ago Clinton & Edwards had same position.
Until Edwards took a look at the books and saw public financing as his only way out of the well, that is.
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ashlarah Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:29 PM
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15. Has Biden hidden behind the lack of
public financing as an excuse for fundraising scandals? If so, then I am outraged.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:11 AM
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12. Edwards desperation and hypocrisy is embarrassing
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ashlarah Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 03:28 PM
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14. You are missing the point
It is Hillary, not Edwards, who is using the lack of public financing as a shield for fundraising scandals. She should either forego fundraising with the likes of Hsu and accept public financing, or take direct responsibility for her questionable fundraising. She can't have it both ways. Public financing is there.

Hillary has taken the worst possible route - she raises as much money as she can by whatever means. Edwards never did that. He has never taken money from WA lobbyists. He also hasn't taken huge sums from industries that need transformation: Hillary has taken $3,030,400 from the Securities and Exchanges industry www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=F07; $406,300 from lobbyists http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=K02; and $990,611 from health professionals. http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?Ind=H01

Edwards does not need to make soundbite excuses for his fundraising. He is on target for the amount he intended to raise. I doubt that when he made those goals he expected to be competing with the kind of obscene and less than admirable fundraising we have seen by Hillary and Obama. Watching Hillary make the empty excuses shown in the video must have been the last straw - he is telling her to put up or shut up. Nicely.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 09:26 AM
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13. I agree whole heartedly!
So does Joe Biden. Seems to me that Hillary is chief hypocrite on this issue. She says her policy will be whatever the polls say. Where as sometimes In government, The toughest most unpopular thing, is the thing to do.
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azmesa207 Donating Member (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 07:33 PM
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16. Blame Hillary
seem to be the format on this site If I wouldn't
know better I would think this was a Right wing
site . She took money from a crook has returned
it and condemn it but it's her fault that she took
it before he was charged . The democrats are the party
that eat there own .
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ashlarah Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-01-07 10:43 PM
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17. The point here is that when asked about the Hsu scandal,
she shrugged it off with a sound bite about the need for public financing. Public financing is available. She just has to not opt out of it.

She should either accept the public financing or stop with the haloed look when pining for it. It is as if she is saying to the American public, "Don't blame me for the excesses and embarrassments that result from fundraising full tilt. Blame the system." Yet, she will not avail herself of the help the system has put in place.

As for Dems being the party that eats its own, have you heard the hushed complaints from various sources about the pressure they have been put under to donate to Hillary and no one else? She is an oligarch.

My allegiance is to our democracy first, then the Democratic party. I think Hillary is bad for democracy. True, not as bad as more Bush, but bad nonetheless. Edwards, on the other hand, it the perfect Bush antidote. So, yes, I will call out Hillary for any hypocrisy, lack of integrity or lack of leadership.

I will be heartbroken if she is the Dem nominee. I am not sure I will still be a Democrat at that point. The party will no longer have much meaning.
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