Chris Matthews On The Daily Show

[Nomad559]

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[Divine Discontent]

1. that laugh of his irks me...

I like Chris at times, but he often seems to overlook the obvious a bit too much.


"I'm trashing your philosophy of life" lol....

[Divine Discontent]

2. and I'm still laughing at "I thought it was a recipe for sadness".

OUCH!
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[katty]

102. Jon was the best...Tweety you're a loser...go away

[Mojambo]

3. That line was KILLER.

And man... I don't think I've ever seen Jon as dismissive as he was here.

He is literally laughing off what Matthews is saying. Everything about this interview screams, "I think YOU, Chris Matthews, are COMPLETELY full of shit."

One could say that Jon was playing a little Hardball...

[intaglio]

4. I don't think Mathews got the reference to Machiavelli

"This (Matthews book) has been written before; it's called 'The Prince' ..."

I think Chris Matthews had better expand his horizons beyond the George W Bush Presidential Library and Colouring Book

[Hissyspit]

5. No, he got it, because he mentioned 'The Prince' on Olbermann's show, if I'm remembering right, but

the immorality of it went over Tweety's head.

[ClintonTyree]

6. Funny....as.....hell

Tweety's philosophy of life: lie, cheat, and pander your way to the top ("mission accomplished" in your case Tweety). Stewart's take on his philosophy: "are you really that evil or are you shitting me"?

Matthews never misses a chance to drag Bill Clinton through the mud either, his stock and trade.

Greatest book interview, EVER! :applause:

Stewart put Tweety in his place: the garbage, exactly where he and his "book" belong. :rofl:

[hashibabba]

66. Fox News.

We inform. You obey.

That's great!

[Chulanowa]

7. Was Tweety drunk?

Between the "HAH! HAH! HAW!" laughing and the weird sort of passive argumentativeness and the implosion at the end, followed by the half-whiny "still friends?"...

I think he was good and smashed.

[MelissaB]

13. I think he just didn't know what to do with Jon.

I'm still :rofl:

[MADem]

50. He's a diabetic. He sometimes has trouble controlling his meds.

And he's a Democrat. A conservative one, but a Democrat nonetheless. It's his wife who's the Republican. His brother, too.

He has worked for:

Ed Muskie

Tip O'Neill

President James E. Carter.

[insane_cratic_gal]

70. and voted for Bush in 2000

I wouldn't say he's a conservative anything but asshole.

[KaptBunnyPants]

73. And we are supposed to respect these "Conservative Democrats".

When a liberal can't vote for the Democrat, they vote for some goody goody third party candidate who may not be able to win, but at least they are not evil. When a conservative can't vote for a Democrat, they vote for a Bush Republican. And then they have the gall to come back and claim to represent the true spirit of the Democratic Party once their conservative messiah has run the country into the ground.

[MADem]

79. Well, Jack Murtha gets some respect around here. And he's WAY to the right of most of the party.

Substantially.

When 'the liberal can't vote for the Democrat,' that's up to--and smack-dab ON-- 'the liberal.' But the liberal had better take it on the chin when other Democrats say "Thanks, you idiot fucking asshole--your rigid, childish, holier-than-thou ideology brought us more BushCo shit" and understand just what their idiotic Throw-it-Away third party vote means in the big picture and the long term.

I have some bad news for the "liberals" in the Democratic Party who can't, or refuse to, think and vote strategically. It ain't all about them. It's about the moderates, the centrists, and YES, the conservatives, too. And the far left end of the party had better wake up and smell that coffee.

It's a big tent, and INTOLERANCE from the left end of the tent is really, really UGLY. It's even uglier than what one hears from other quarters, since that end of the tent is the one always crowing about tolerance and inclusiveness.

[MADem]

78. Regrets it, too.

But whatever. I'm not going to convince you of his bona fides. I'd have to actually care one way or the other.

[Patiod]

77. His brother is our county commissioner

I'm working to get rid of him and replace him with a Dem.

[ShortnFiery]

91. B.S. Diabetes is a medical, not psychiatric condition. The only mental effect is if you have ...

a "glycemic event" (low blood sugar) you appear irritable and disoriented.

Tweety is a smarmy a**hole who has Diabetes.

Chris Mathew's ongoing demonstration of moral bankruptcy and his absolute selling-out of his journalistic integrity to the highest bidder, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with his medical condition of DIABETES. :grr: :nuke: :grr:

[snot]

8. I thought C.M. seemed scared from the get-go --

he knew Jon has the intellectual wherewithal to shred him.

And I thought Jon wasn't so much trying to shred him as to express his real dismay and bewilderment at how anyone could espouse such a meaningless way of life.

And indeed, C.M. looked sad to me.

But I have to say, it's the first time I've ever enjoyed watching C.M.

[KG]

11. tweety is an itellectual lightweight, like so many other talking heads.

this book proves he, like clareance thomans really, doeasn't have much of import to add to human discourse.

[burythehatchet]

28. they are a barrier to political discourse. They are to political discourse

what religious fundamentalism is to spirituality.

[MADem]

52. No he isn't. He's well educated. Catholic schools--you may not like their

religion, but they know how to teach.

He got his BA from Holy Cross and did advanced studies at UNC Chapel Hill.

He wrote Jimmy Carter's speeches for four years.

You can dislike him all you want, but you assert facts not in evidence.

[KG]

57. i didn't assert any facts, it's my opinion from observing his lifes work.

if he's an intelectual heavywieght, he's hiding it real well while he makes money being another moronic talking head.

[MADem]

59. He may not be a "heavyweight" -- I didn't assert that either-- but he's no lightweight

He's had a good, solid, challenging education, at schools with high standards, and without the "Legacy" advantage. He's worked for some well-known and progressive Democrats.

His moneymaking talents, such as they are, are a different issue entirely.

[SharonAnn]

81. He's just trying to make some money. Nothing to say, but maybe people will pay.

[OregonBlue]

9. Wonderful. Loved seeing Chris trashed but I have to admit, Mathews took it pretty well.

[hisownpetard]

111. He took it well bec. he was totally shell-shocked. He didn't expect that, I think. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

10. Thank you for posting this! This might be one of the best interviews Jon has done! nt

[Jacobin]

12. I didn't realize until now just what a banal ass Tweety is

What a pile of heaping, steaming dung he is.

[liberal N proud]

14. What a take down

Twetty couldn't get on top of Stewart
:rofl:

[MiniMe]

15. It was weird that Tweety came out with his arms crossed across his chest

That was one of the strangest entrances I've seen.

[K8-EEE]

40. YEAH! AND THEN HE DID THIS I'M TALLER THAN YOU GESTURE...

WEIRD, WEIRD, WEIRD!

He KNOWS that book is total BS.....what a stupid fucking concept, that we should all live & love like we're "campaigning" all the time. WTF was he saying about "you want a purty gal to marry you, you gotta campaign!" or some such nonsense....

[hisownpetard]

112. Yeah, how weird was that? Body language said he was protecting himself, like a shield. nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. Chris Matthews just did us all a favor and we should all read that book.

He just described what we all suspected. That in order to succeed in this country, you have to be a phony. That's why nothing makes sense to us middle class Americans who have to keep our feet planted on the ground. Those who are succeeding, are making decisions that are duplicitous. It may get them where they want to go on an individual basis, but it doesn't take into consideration the impact it will have on others, who are not part of their inside circle.

This is why most progressives have such a hard time with Hillary, and why we have a hard time with Republicans. I, personally, shrivel every time I talk to people like that. It's like consuming a bag of potato chips. It may taste yummy for about 20 minutes, but over the course of time, you suffer in the long run for the bad habit, because you're eating empty calories. Which is why, if it was up to me, none of them would succeed. I have a bullshit meter that rings in my head whenever I talk to someone like that. I get a headache when I'm in the same room with them.

[mumon]

30. I recoil in horror...

I remember being in the San Francisco Airport once, and one of the local media types with blow-dried hair shows up for some god-awful story on airport delays. This was past security, come to think of it.

The attitude of this media woman was like she was a robot zombie.

Not in any way remotely human.

A schizophrenic would be forgiven for mistaking her for a robot.

[City Lights]

17. Thanks for posting this, Nomad559!

I :boring: before the interview came on. :-(

Jon did an amazing job of trashing Chris with a smile on his face. I gotta give some credit to Matthews, too, for being a good sport about the trashing. I can think of lots of people who would have walked off in anger.

"This is the book interview from hell." Ya got that right, Chris! :rofl:

[Senator]

18. Chris Matthews -IS- The DC/Euphemedia Analstocracy

Watch the video multiple times to truly appreciate the dynamic going on.

Matthews has apparently revealed himself in his book to really be the soulless, inhuman functional sociopath that we usually only associate with some idealized, pessimistic view of the craven, cynical "beltway insider."

Stewart was simply probing for some evidence of human life inside that automaton shell. To his own obvious (and pathetically hilarious) horror, he came up empty.

This is the mentality required to keep impeachment "off the table," to tolerate ongoing torture, to ignore stolen elections, and to limit accountability to a "tsk, tsk" in the WashedUp Post.

We must keep hammering the DC Dems back to consciousness. They have the same disease.

===

[harun]

37. You see that plenty in posts on this site

Where people say "that's why so and so won't get elected." They mean the person is choosing what is right too often over the path that simply gains them more power, which for some reason they see as the best way to live ones life. Which is exactly what Mathews is trying to say in his book as well.

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. Socrates v. Callicles

Same as it ever was...

[Tesla]

20. Thank God for Jon Stewart!!

Where would we have the place to call these guys out if it wasn't for The Daily Show?

It's too bad you have to do this on a Comedy News show so they can say, it's comedy.

Jon Stewart has been our only crack in the Repukes ice!!

I bet they HATE him!!!

Bless you Jon!!

[classof56]

29. Amen and again I say Amen to that!

Colbert is a close second to Jon--I am truly thankful for them both!

Tired Old Cynic

[Hamlette]

72. but notice they don't go after him

Jon knows how to fight back better than anyone. A year or so ago Bill-o referred to Jon's audience as losers, or pot heads or something. So Jon got the stats (his viewers are smarter/better informed) and went on Bills show. Jon showed Bill to be the idiot he is.

Bill acts (without reference) like he "won" or it doesn't bother him but he has said nothing bad about Jon or Colbert since.

And Ann the Man and Rush (what an appropriate name for a druggie) and the rest never touch him.

Might of been when Jon destroyed Crossfire. Literally.

Is it too late to run him for president?

I am NOT kidding.

He's smarter than anyone out there. He is skilled. Quick.

Stewart/Obama?

[lateo]

47. Look where my hand was...

[tomg]

21. That was the most hilarious

interview I have ever seen. In fairness to Matthews - who I generally do not care for - he does take getting his ass handed to him very well. That he so clearly recognizes it and can't do anything about it is part of the humor except laugh at it is part of the humor. For my take, the best line is when Tweety says that there is something in the book Stewart is afraid of and Stewart comes back with the Fascism line.

[Tesla]

22. Matthews just talks through his guests...yada, yada, yada

He isn't the quick wit Jon is....
or nearly as smart!

[tomg]

76. You have that dead right. When I

said that "I don't generally care for Tweety," I think I was just feeling sorry for him. Actually I think he is a shit head. Maybe I liked him this time a little more because he resembled a giant cartoon squirrel in the middle of the road who only knows it is about to become road kill.

That interview still has me laughing. Think I'll watch it again.

[Rose Siding]

23. CM, proving Jon's point...

Look at me! I'm doing it now! Succeeding, *just like in a campaign*, by fixating on salacious details of Bill Clinton's college life to - get this - sell a book!

How many weeks did Matthews spend drooling over that before he found a way to spin it into some extra income?

Stewart was so irked by CM's flimsy premise that he did an excellent interview. I call that journalism.

[Ian David]

44. Fair enough!n NARF!! n/t

[depakid]

24. What a shallow human being

Hard to believe that guy's still on TV.

[Jacobin]

32. That was my thought listening to him

He's pathetic, really.

[eyepaddle]

33. Is it really hard to believe?

I know what you are saying, and I agree with you, but I thinkhis shallowness is the very reason he IS on TV.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

25. Whaaaa? CM asking Jon if he wants to be successful? CM comparing Jon to Zell Miller?

CM takes lunacy to new heights. MKJ

LOL when Jon said, "I am successful! :rofl:

[stellanoir]

26. "This is a self hurt book."

:rofl:

[Seabiscuit]

27. Oh, man. Did Stewart have Matthews' number or what?

:rofl:

[PianoBlack]

31. 'I'm not denying that'

He's just saying that in order to become popular and successful you need to sell your soul! Sounds like a plan! :sarcasm:

[Botany]

34. Chris Matthews got his ass handed to him.

:rofl:

[JPZenger]

35. Too often Matthews Has Been an Enabler

That was like no book tour interview I have ever seen.

Matthews is supposed to be respected by progressives because he came to prominence as a top staff member to Dem leader Tip O'Neill. However, too often, he has served as a very efficient enabler for the Cheney-Bush Administration propaganda machine.

[yodermon]

36. Here's an example of how chris matthews "gets ahead"

kissing tom delay's ass.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDJ-wc7XBgg

[K8-EEE]

38. More people need to say it: "I fear fascism."

God we're pretty much there. For all the freeps go on and on about commies etc., it's nice to hear someone say, uh, we are absolutely on the brink of a flat-out fascist state. LET'S GO SHOPPING! DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY!

[wtmusic]

39. I thought Tweety was less superficial than that

Damn. What a shallow life this poor bastard leads.

[hlthe2b]

41. A popular saying seems to apply:

"It is better to remain silent and be thought ignorant than to speak up and remove all doubt." This would appear to writing books as well...

CM revealed himself in ways he (obviously) is not self-aware enough to recognize. This book has his narcissism and shallowness on full display.

[colorado_ufo]

67. Whatever else he does in life,

this man should not be writing books.

[npincus]

42. LOL- Tweety meets his match!

[Ian David]

43. I've never seen Jon give someone a harder interview-- not even Rick Santorum. n/t

[hisownpetard]

113. And in such a nice way! He didn't need to pound the desk or shake his fist - his words

did it all.

Love that man!

[Vilis Veritas]

45. Priceless...if it weren't for DU...I would never see this.

Thanks.

Peace.

No Fear.

[LSK]

55. you can watch most of the Daily Show and Colbert Report at comedycentral.com

[Vilis Veritas]

56. No time...

I browse DU for a few choice tidbits during breaks at work...all the TV I need...the brain washing has been almost completely removed...;-)

My 7 year old reads at over 130 words per minute with 95% comprehension. We just got his report last night...way proud of the fact that his TV viewing is 1-2 hours per week, if that and it is not commercial TV. Absolutely no game playing.

No Fear.

[Colobo]

46. This is sad to watch. Poor Tweety.

[graywarrior]

48. Wow, Jon is so not a pushover.

[Renew Deal]

49. I think Jon was right.

I don't think I can live day to day behaving the way our politicians do. It's the Madison Square Garden school of life coaching.

[AlGore-08.com]

51. "I fear Fascism." - - one of the greatest "speaking truth to power" llines ever

eom

[LSK]

53. I'm not trashing your book, I'm trashing your philosophy of life

:rofl:

[Cha]

54. That wasn't so bad to me..

Jon didn't like the book because it reminded him of phony campaigns and fascism. Tweety took it okay on stage..maybe later he'll be growling.
It didn't seem so bad cause it was all done with plenty of laughing from both Jon and Tweets.

Jon dissed him with such aplomb..that's the way to take someone out.

[DFW]

58. Tweety just discovered something:

Jon Stewart plays Harder Ball!

[waiting for hope]

60. I don't troll -

Stewart is my hero! :loveya:

[patricia92243]

71. I couldn't figure out what he meant by that?????????

[waiting for hope]

74. I think he was somewhat stating

that going on Hardball, he would effectively saying he would be trolling, wading into RW territory.

[rainy]

82. Trolling is bottom fishing. He meant that he does not go to the bottom

to get on air. Going on the Mathews show whould be like fishing for bottom feeders.

[patricia92243]

85. Wow! That is tough. I would not had the nerve to say that to Tweety's face - good thing Jon does!!

[rainy]

83. See my reply about fishing on the bottom.

[c2farr]

84. Trolling--It was an intended insult to the dumb blonde

Jon was saying...Your show or mine, I'm still going to pummel your ridiculous ass.

[cartach]

61. Chris in reference to Bush a few years ago - - -

'the kind of guy you'd like to sit down and have a beer with' . When he came out with that remark I was reminded of my younger beer drinking days, and thinking that if a smart-ass,mouthy,attention seeking,bullshitter like Bush had sat down with the likes of us we would have given him the heave-ho pretty quick..At that point any respect I had for Matthews went out the window and there has been nothing redeeming since.

[Ishoutandscream2]

62. I have to admit Tweety took it well

He almost came off as likable.

[ShortnFiery]

94. He had not choice - IMO he's smarmy through and through - not ever likable. nt

[Divine Discontent]

63. they're still looking for Chris Matthews!

he's missing, and the last time anyone saw him after this interview, he was drunk and cavorting with prostitutes at a DC sushi bar at 1am this morning - if you see him, tell him it's OK.... life's worth living - it's a campaign - his numbers will rise again, just book more talk shows to promote his book, just remind him to make sure the host is dingy like Billo or Hasselbeck, and not full of heart and intellect like Stewart!

[Hulk]

64. ...and they talk about Hillary's cackle??

This guy acts like such a silly, gossipy whimp......and he never ceases to amaze me with where he is going, and what side of the aisle he is on. I have absolutely NO CLUE where he stands on anything.

[Bob3]

65. man Tweety comes across as a zombie/sociopath

I mean the laughs early on are just - wrong - they are the wrong kind of laughs they are just in the wrong places. And his refusal to even contemplate the idea that craven crawling and stabbing folks in the back isn't really a good way to live ones life - that playing the game is not the be and end all of everything is really weird.

[bbgrunt]

68. I think Chris deserves to have his philosophy challenged,

but I am sure that this (during his 10th anniversary week) was rather a blow. Given his recent defense of more fairness (calling out Tony Perkins, for example, for characterizing pro-choice as pro-abortion among other things) I'd hate to see him get alienated from the left. I'd like to think that Tweety does, at the core, have some decent values but he's been jaded by being breathing political fumes for most of his life. He did, after all, spend two years in the Peace Corps in his youth.

[cartach]

104. By the way,

was that to avoid the draft?

[nam78_two]

69. I loved this-it reminded me of his smackdown of Tucker

This was awesome K&R :bounce:.

[StrictlyRockers]

75. Best HARDBALLS interview yet. No mercy for this craven, machiavellian sycophant.

[Supersedeas]

80. k & r

[Seabiscuit]

86. This video has been removed from Youtube. The FUCKERS!

You can find it now on Joh Stewart's website: http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Chris_Matthews_to_Jon_Stewart_This_1003.html

[HomerRamone]

90. or at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkPGZQzFZxk

[Quixote1818]

109. What I love about Jon is he argues from his heart

Fuck Chris Matthews, the story of this interview was Jon Stewart and what a decent, good, deep soul he is and how few and far between people like him are getting to be.

[swag]

87. I don't see what the big deal about this interview was.

Yeah, it was good and adversarial and Matthews is a dumbfuck, and Jon Stewart did news on a comedy show when the news wasn't doing any news, and he's great and all that.

But a gazillion threads and the top vid slot on DU all day? Did that interview serve to advance any part of the liberal, progressive, Democratic Party, or even DU agenda?

[ShortnFiery]

93. "Did that interview serve to advance any part of the liberal ...?" YES!!! It was motivational.

There are other glimpses of "resistance to fascism" on C-SPAN but highly intelligent liberal satirists, such as Stewart and Cobert GIVE US HOPE and serve as ROLE MODELS of how to resist buying what the Beltway Media Whores are PUSHING.

Damn, Steward was great last night! <sigh> :applause: :thumbsup:

[cynthia]

127. absolutely

A quick wit and a touch of humor goes further than a droning lecture. People were educated, they were coaxed into thinking. We'll never get out of this mess we're in if people don't stop shopping and start to think about the crap we are being fed in the form of talking points. Jon makes us think, but he makes us laugh. I love Jon!

[ShortnFiery]

88. Tweety is one sick and smarmy POLITICO. He's ruling over a "round table now"

with young self-absorbed "centrists" ... they all are going nuts over her highness, Saint Hillary and Dis'ing Obama as putting himself too high on a pedestal. It makes me sick how the M$M thinks it can CONTROL opinion. :puke:

These young media WHORES are pleasing their corporate masters but methinks Saint Peter may tack on an eon or two more of Purgatory.

Yes, Tweety is the Pied Piper leading the young media whores to their corporate Masters' chorus of "God Bless Saint Hillary!" :evilgrin:

[Jemmons]

89. The morale highground is not found by doing empty posturing

like what most people in this thread are displaying. If shallowness is that bad, then why don't anybody address the substance beyond stating that using strategies is shallow and that Stewart pwned CM.
Is it shallow and sad when some poor kid finds a strategy for escaping a life as an industrial slave? Are you really on a one way ticket to fascism if you find a way to do jobinterviews that works for you?

I know its pc to state that being strategic is about the same at being cynical, hollow, sad or perhaps even evil. But better strategy is the only thing that will ever allow the weaker part of a conflict to win. Strategy can be a great equalizer because you cant own better strategy - its takes inspiration to have it, not money.

I don't know if CM's book is worth your time, but I do know that you're really going to loose out if you don't find good strategies for making your dreams come true.

Sorry for interrupting.

[ShortnFiery]

92. Tweety's demonstrated lack of moral integrity - gives me an indication we will NOT ...

"loose out" by not buying his smarmy book. :shrug:

[Jemmons]

98. Well - so much for addressing the substance :shrug:

[cartach]

105. I suppose you might have

something.If you make sure you disallow brown-nosing and back-stabbing.

[TheDoorbellRang]

107. Jon wasn't attacking the use of strategy; he was attacking artifice

His comparison of Tweety's book to Machiavelli's "Prince" pretty much says it all. And I agree with Jon: using a strategy of artifice in our dealings with fellow humans to get ahead is a recipe for sadness.

Now please excuse me, I have to go practise my empty posturing...:yoiks:

[Jemmons]

120. I think we can agree that we all need to learn to listen to our inner

voice of reason and compassion. And we can agree that you shouldn't use clever strategies in abuse of other peoples rights. But when you have found your dharma your task in life you do need to bring it about without trying at every turn to satisfy abstract standards of goodness established by moral groupthink. Even the bible will tell you so: “I am sending you out as sheep among wolves. Therefore, be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.”

[TheDoorbellRang]

122. Jon's the one who came out "as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves"

Tweety used one of the most beloved of RW "strategies" on Jon and it blew up in his face. The RW modus operandi used when someone is trying to engage them in a rational argument and they're losing is to come back with a non sequitur attack with no possible good answer, as when Tweety suddenly said, apropos of nothing, "You're afraid of this book. There's something in here that you fear." The classic example of this "strategy" is the question: "Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no." Jon didn't fall for the usual binary answer some hapless folk have fallen for under similar attacks when he quipped "I'm afraid of fascism." So we all saw a new strategy used by Jon: when attacked with a non sequitur, answer with a non sequitur.

I'm curious, what are some "abstract standards of goodness established by moral groupthink" that would stand in the way of success in life and are worth ignoring? I can't think of an example.

[Jemmons]

123. And Jon generally make the case by example that strategy beats

might and money. So why try to make the example that the Clinton have given us a one way ticket to fascism?
The weak needs to be more strategic not less. Strategy is just "doing what works" - why would that be preferable to avoid if you want to be decent?

Abstract standards of goodness established by moral groupthink:

"Abortion is always wrong."
"You can never make legal heroin available to addicts. "
"3 times and you are out" mandatory sentences.
"Outsourcing and contracting is always better than government run public service. "
"People on welfare are lazy and dont deserve help. "

The real list is probably endless. Is having such a big imprisoned population really helpful in any way, or is it just a result of blindly following abstract standards established by moral groupthink?

[TheDoorbellRang]

124. Ah, I misunderstood you on one point

I thought you meant there were "abstract standards of goodness established by moral groupthink" that could interfere with one's personal strategy for success that could be or should be ignored. Of course there are several examples such as you noted where the individual's moral values diverge from the group mindset.

We also agree that strategy is an important component in success. And, like money, strategy is neither good nor evil in and of itself. What I'm seeing in Tweety's presentation on TDS is the use of strategies that consist of "do or say what you gotta to get what you want." If that's a strategy for getting ahead, then I agree with Jon: it's a recipe for sadness. That is what Jon was decrying in the interview.

I also doubt Jon meant to link Clinton to fascism in any way. As I said in my previous post, IMO he was merely returning one non sequitur in response to Tweety's non sequitur.

[Jemmons]

126. When the great Lord pases, the wise peasant bows deeply and

silently farts.
Etheopian proverb.

There is perhaps not a great difference between the way that society goes wrong and how we as individuals fail. I used to subscribe to a high degree of "honesty" regarding my views, something which in reality meant that I must have been quite obnoxious to have discussions with. One reason why it was hard to give up this was the "ethics" of honesty that supportet the stance. Im less sincere these days but perhaps better compagny.

I dont have a problem with Jon Stewart taking Chris Matthews down a notch as he might possible need that. I think my main beef is really with the "conventional wisdom" that it is only the bad guys who use strategy and that you sign up for moral decadence as soon as you start applying a bit of strategy to your own life.
The extreme version of this is when borderline clients are accused of being manipulating everyone and told to play fair, when in reality they are mostly the victims of their lack of skills in effective manipulation, they way that you and I do it on a regular basis as part of our daily dealings with other people. The most successfull program for these clients actually train them in use of strategy and mindfulness in order to overcome their weaknesses in this area. Convincing them that playing by the rules is going to help them is a recepy for disaster because doing so in a unskilled way is going to set them at a huge disadvantage. For them the choice is between unskilled "manipulation" often in an ugly and ineffective way and getting better at the smooth and seamless social skills and strategies that normal people like you and I would use.

The more average version is just that people are just that bit too focused on their own experience and pet theories for them to be succesfull in their life. We tend to not have a full understanding of the situation that we are in, and mostly see things from our individual perspective. We tend to be focused on our needs, our worries and our personal shortcomings and how to avoid failure. This is not the most effective focus and we need strategies to overcome this if we are going to be successfull with our vocation in life. Senator Clintons "Listening Tour" might not be all that we could expect from the title, but surely there is something to be learned from that kind of focus for a campaign. I know that i have something to learn from how both Kerry and Gore have moved from a slightly "accademic" image to a more passionate and fully human image. I havent read CMs book but I dont find it hard to believe that I could learn from what people campaigning have done.

Cheers

[LaurenG]

95. I missed it. It says "This Video no longer available"

:(

[ShortnFiery]

96. Catch it on "The Daily Show" rerun this evening - for us 8PM (Eastern Time).

Well, if you have Comedy Central. I have cable for CSPAN, TV Land and Comedy Central. :blush:

[LaurenG]

97. Oh good idea, Thank you, I will.

:hi:

[Downtown Hound]

99. Here, Viacom hasn't gotten to this one yet...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkPGZQzFZxk

[LaurenG]

101. Thank you! I appreciate the link very much.

:hi:

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

100. Jon Stewart Dismantles Chris Matthews (Editor and Publisher article)

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/pressingissues_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003650576

<snip>

If you have ever bemoaned the turn Matthews -- a former newspaperman -- has taken in recent years, you have to check out what happened on "The Daily Show" on Tuesday night. Matthews called it "the worst interview ever."

By Greg Mitchell

(October 03, 2007) -- You may find this hard to believe, but there was a time when TV gasbag Chris Matthews was a respectable hard news reporter. He worked in Washington, D.C. for the San Francisco Examiner from 1987 to around 2000, and also wrote columns for the San Francisco Chronicle and others. But if you have ever bemoaned the turn his career took as an interviewer/talk show host – or if you just hate the inside-the-beltway mentality of many of our leading press and TV pundits – then you would have loved Jon Stewart’s dismantling of Matthews on “The Daily Show” last night.

I have no idea if there is a back story to this epic confrontation beyond Stewart’s known hatred of loudmouth TV bullying (remember his famous attack on “Crossfire” a few years back?). But what was on the screen right in front of our noses was shocking enough, not to mention long overdue. Matthews, growing angry, called it “the book interview from hell” and his "worst interview ever," adding, "You are the worst."

Matthews accused him of "trashing my book." Stewart said he was actually "trashing your philosophy."

<snip>

[Lorien]

103. "This book has already been writen too; it was called "The Prince"."

Brilliant! :loveya:

[Canuckistanian]

106. GETCHER TWEETY VIDEO HERE:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/10/03/the-daily-show-chris-matthews-book-about-sadness/

[DCKit]

108. Stupid, giggling Repuke WHORE on TDS

Jon Stewart didn't even have to try. Bring out even a modicum of truth and the republiwhore stumbles all over his lies.

BAD, BAD Jon Stewart.

People who live in glass whore/pedo/nasty kink houses really need to stop throwing stones at the rest of us who only require healthy, adult physical contact to get off.

If you freaks don't leave us alone, we will get you. We know how twisted you are and cameras are cheap.

You will be exposed.

Signed,

Your last bathroom encounter

[bridgit]

110. Matthews is such an ass, why does he to relate his entire world to whether Clinton gets chicks...

he never fails to bring it up...oh i remember, that was the 'scandal' that got him where he is today playing "what if" with the other ghouls that took this nation down and i quote...

"Today we are all neocons!" what a self-serving 1/2 wit of a political hack :puke:

[Lindsey]

114. Jon Stewart is brilliant....OMG ....I'd heard about it so I made sure to catch

it on reruns and it was better than I thought. It's not like Jon even tried to call Matthews out on purpose he was so, imho, sincerely honest like "this is so sad that you believe this".... and "I'm trashing your philosophy of life"....and "The Prince" line... Geez! Stewart's just a genius.

[bridgit]

115. Classic Stewart: poignant, spot-on-hilarious, and to the core by default...

Matthews actually thinks he's a writer...ain't gonna happen :rofl:

[Ian David]

121. If only Jon would have done this to Dennis Miller. n/t

[ShortnFiery]

116. To add insult to injury Matthews is going to parade his wife on Hairballs tomorrow ...

After all, wifey does accompany Tweets to many of those swanky soirees held by the political elites within The Beltway.

I wonder if she's being paid for this appearance?

SHAMELESS nepotism anyone? :(

[bridgit]

117. that poor woman, she'll likely get *maybe* a little more than scale but living with him!

he is shameless, i find his features becoming more like something Alice would encounter on the other side of the looking glass day by day; plus he does that thing i hate...he stands up beside people that are shorter and lourdes over them so as to intimidate, and if that will not work he becomes snide, bitchy, and pissy oh yeah...

and real catch that one

[ShortnFiery]

118. Yes, his flirting and drooling over beauty queens in Las Vegas a little while back was

shameful. I am embarrassed for his spouse. But this couple do get ALL the important invitations to The Beltway Political Elite's Parties. Such a life must be flattering even if you live "in a bubble" - it's one of your own design. :shrug:

[bridgit]

119. whaaa??? i see that big duuph heading my way i think, "Birth Control...

Yep, that's the ticket." :thumbsup:

[orleans]

125. too bad youtube took it down. fucking viacom! i saw the show, but

i wanted to play it for the fam.

[Silver Gaia]

128. Scroll back up to post # 106. The Crooks & Liars video still works.

I just watched it. :) :D :D :D