Alan Grayson causes TOTAL MELTDOWN on Fox, Idiot host launches INSANE rant AGAINST the Middle Class

[kpete]

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Fox Host: "All right, joining me now is former congressman Alan Grayson, who is one of the more colorful and controversial Democrat members of the House. Congressman, you recently said there are 5 things needed to be quote 'middle class'. Number one, having a job. Number two, owning a home. Number three, owning a car. Number four, having affordable health care, and number five, a pension. Congressman, where's the pony? Wait a minute, wait a minute, I want a baseball team! Can I have a baseball team, Congressman?"

Alan Grayson: "Sorry, do you have a question here?"
(laughter)

Fox Host: "Yeah, the question is, who, whose gonna pay for the house, the car, the pension, the health care, if every American is supposed to have one? Where is the money coming from?"


Alan Grayson: "No, I think you misunderstand my point. My point is that people in America, three quarters of us, enjoy a middle class lifestyle, at least for now. And they have those 5 things. A quarter of us don't. And more and more, people are falling out of the middle class and into the lower class in this country, that is the point I was making. I think it's a fact. It's not something to say, it's not even something you can argue about, about a quarter of the country has a net worth of about a thousand dollars."

.............

Alan Grayson: "Well, I think we've seen an attack on these programs from the right, the right wants to eliminate medicare, eliminate medicaid, eliminate social security, and also not help people who are out of a job, not help people who are losing their homes or in danger of losing their homes, not help people who are in danger of falling out of the middle class. There is one party that wants to help and there is another party that doesn't care."

Fox Host: "Who is gonna pay for it, sir?

Alan Grayson: "What do you mean by that?"

Fox Host: "I would like to sit at home all day in my backyard and play with my kid, in fact, maybe he shouldn't have to go to school, maybe the government can help him out too, he doesn't even have to go to school cause it won't matter cause he won't need a job, if, under your plan, everyone is gonna get some help from the government every time things go south."


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Fox Host: "That's socialism, right there! That's, Marxism in fact!"

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[tularetom]

1. Who IS that dildo?

I'll admit I don't spend much time watching fix but that guy seemed like a moron even by the standards of a network that employs the likes of Brian Kilmeade, Steve Douchey, and Wretched Carlson.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

5. I believe that's the same dumb dick that was cracking himself up with his

"Obama drinking 40s and bringing thugs to the hizzy" jokes a while back.

[Botany]

71. Yup he is the one .... Eric Bolling

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/43162668#43162668

BTW having that douche nozzle explain how business and capitalism works to Alan Grayson is
way over the top because Grayson has made millions setting up and running his own company.

BTW part 2 ..... What part of a list did Mr. Bolling not get?

BTW part 3 .... that piece of crap couldn't even say the name proper name but instead used the
Frank Luntz "Democrat Party," term.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

75. It's like Ailes went from frat house to frat house to find the biggest sack of Summer's Eve he

could find to give him his own show.

[Botany]

77. Fox News where it has been proven that the longer ...

.... you watch the less you really know about the real world so that bag of
ass and gas fits right in. Even though he was is on Fox Biz not Fox News.

In fact, a study by the University of Maryland reveals, ignorance of Fox viewers actually increases the longer they watch the network.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-roger-ailes-built-the-fox-news-fear-factory-20110525

pg 12

(I just posted the link and page # for any freeper or troll who is lurking around DU :rofl: )

[The Wizard]

101. Frank (bad toupe) Luntz

is not the source of "Democrat Party." Joseph McCarthy is tho one who started it.
It's grammatically incorrect. Democrat is a noun as is party. Nouns don't modify other nouns, adjectives do.
The alcoholic closet queen McCarthy was ceded too much power because Democrats wouldn't stand up to him.

[Botany]

103. Thanx for the correction

I have heard Luntz pushing "the democrat party" meme all the time ... John Boner did it
to Nancy Pelosi's face when she became Speaker of the House ..... I wish Obama would
wise up and quit trying to play nice w/ the people who want to destroy him and the party.

[rurallib]

6. holy shit that guy is an asshole. Who is he?

[zbdent]

62. You know, with Faux News ...

you have to be more specific about identifying assholes ...

[progressoid]

97. Hey!

Dildo's are offended by your comparison of this guy to them. At least dildos serve a purpose.

[Ignis]

99. Jinx!

[Ignis]

98. Please don't insult dildos. They serve a useful function.

Unlike this FAUX winner. Makes you want to send him a card, doesn't it?

[mlevans]

104. ROTFLMAO!

[Enrique]

2. "where's the pony?"

this Fox guy has been reading DU.

[Kolesar]

7. no kidding..eom

[HankyDubs]

25. yup, sounds exactly like the third way posters here

I guess they are reading the same talking points.

[BlueCaliDem]

91. You are, unfortunately, so correct.

"Third way" posters here at DU are all wailing the same Fux News talking points.

[Renew Deal]

3. That was bizarre

It wasn't even an interview. It was demagoguery by the host.

[EC]

4. Does this yoyo think that people can't pay their own way

if they have the first thing listed - being A JOB? Why does he keep asking who's going to pay? And sarcastically asking if he can have a pony and saying he'd like to sit home with his kid...is this guy just really stupid or just reading a script?

[tularetom]

8. All of the above

[GTurck]

54. Notice the mention....

of going to school? Socialist, tax-supported school. Just another divisive blowhard trying to stir a boiling pot.
Shun Him!

[zbdent]

63. knowledge + intelligence = socialism?

wow ...

I guess that's why RWers hate teachers ...

[GTurck]

110. Thinking...

would disturb their control over large masses of Americans and they can't have that or questions might be asked and asnwers demanded.

[Beartracks]

108. He doesn't understand "middle class."

Apparently, he thinks the rise of the middle class occurred in this country because the GOVERNMENT paid them into that class? Rather than that they worked their own way into that class, or were born into it and worked to stay there. It was by the sweat(s) of their own brows, pulling themselves up by their much-vaunted bootstraps. Which is what Republicans claim to cherish and value.

What a moron.

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[scribble]

9. This was NOT an insane rant ...

and I object to this kind of over-the-top headline. Grow up, mister kPete.

This was just a snippet of the usual Fox News krap. The guy comes across like a used car salesman.


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[kpete]

10. that's

mrs. kpete

[axollot]

74. +10! nt

[Blacksheep214]

76. Oh Snap! nm

[trumad]

58. Douche

[zbdent]

65. Ironically, in the last Ohio elections, a Dem representative defeated a Republican

"businessman".

The businessman objected to the Dem referring to him as a "used car salesman".

Bottom line is, he did sell used cars ... oh, I guess the politically-correct term is "certified pre-owned" ... but it was still telling the truth ... he sold used cars ...

[axollot]

73. Insane rant by the host. If you do not find that insane maybe a little nuts too? nt

[vanbean]

78. Kpete is plenty grown up, scribble. And I OBJECT to you telling her to do so.

[lumpy]

113. Scribble called it wrong and I join you, vanbean, in objecting to

the childish attempt to promote controversy.

[we can do it]

85. It Was a Fucking Insane Rant, But Not Out of the Ordinary For Faux News

[AsahinaKimi]

11. Grayson was cool...

The Fox guy wanted a fight.. He was bringing a tanto to a katana fight.

[tomm2thumbs]

12. reminds me of one of those barkers trying to get folks into a strip club from the sidewalk

oh wait.... didn't I see him in Vegas handing out flyers ?

[Plucketeer]

14. Actually, he flopped in Vegas

and thereby qualified to blather on FOX. :crazy:

[abelenkpe]

13. Number one: having a job

That's why it's number one. Number one pays for the house, retirement, healthcare. Where are the jobs? Are republicans doing anything to generate jobs? No. They want us to believe that eliminating jobs, rewarding those that outsource jobs, privatizing jobs and busting up unions so that those lucky enough to have jobs will have lower pay and fewer benefits can't afford numbers two through five is the way to heal the economy. How does that make any sense?

[dotymed]

59. In 2010, practically all of the GOP ran on the

"creating jobs" platform.

Since their victory, I have yet to see one job creating bill from them.

Of course, the Democrats are NOT capitalizing on this (either). IMO, "we" should be driving that (a long with a long list of broken promises) home.

Until "WE" change the "politics as usual" (corporate owned politicians), none of it really matters.

[nxylas]

94. I'd qualify that...

...and say having a GOOD job. I knew people when I lived in the States who had 2 or 3 jobs and were still struggling to make ends meet. Ron Burgundy there says that 91% of people have a job. I wonder what the figure is for people who have a job that pays enough to take care of their basic needs.

[banned from Kos]

15. Grayson can't run for statewide office until 2016 unless he

challenges the Nelson seat.

Sorry - the reality is that Grayson is irrelevant for now.

[WhoIsNumberNone]

17. If Grayson ran in the primary he'd get my vote

In some ways Obama is worse than having a Republican president- They still get everything they want, but they get to make the Democrats look bad doing it.

[ooglymoogly]

19. I think that is their main fear....a primary challenger of the

caliber of Grayson. Most all the folks I know and deal with would vote for Grayson or Bernie Sanders or any combination thereof.

A successful primary campaign (meaning a very high and surprising showing), at the very minimum, would tell "0" he is playing with fire when he inevitably and inevitably slip slides to the right and behind the curtain, sells the people of this country down the river to appease the rich.

And also a primary candidate of that caliber might just gain the momentum to actually win.

[Devil_Fish]

112. I'm writing in Grayson if he does not run. NT

[AlbertCat]

20. Grayson is irrelevant for now.

So... he can't speak or say anything that will make any difference to anyone. Only those in office are relevant.


I see.

:eyes:

[lumpy]

114. My eyes are rolling also.

v

[ooglymoogly]

21. Bernie Sanders is an independent and could challenge the president.

at least to the end of the primary. If Alan Grayson became an independent, they could run together in any order and mount a very plausible campaign that would snowball into the whitehouse and that is for many of us a dream.

[The Wielding Truth]

22. irrelevant .....never

[Hassin Bin Sober]

28. Aren't you guys holding a Congressional election in 2012 or 2014?

Everybody else is :shrug:

[Stardust]

36. Say what? What's preventing him from running in 2012 and 2014?

[BlueMTexpat]

45. He is saying what needs to be said - over and over again.

That is never irrelevant. Nor is he. Wow.

Democrats should say what needs to be said whenever and wherever they are asked - and even when they aren't asked. Not just when they are running for office and only saying what they believe that potential constituents want to hear.

[demwing]

48. Are you in office?

by your own logic, you must be irrelevant

[lumpy]

115. Irrelevant ? In your dreams obviously.....

Sorry, anyone who speaks the truth is relevant in this world.

[tclambert]

16. "I want a baseball team'?? Only very rich people own pro teams. So he's saying only the rich should

own houses, cars, or have health care and pensions. Working people should not aspire to such extravagance. He keeps asking, "Who would pay for it?" Like working people should not be able to afford houses, cars, medical treatment, or retirement.

It seems clear the right wing's plan for the average American's retirement is to give (I meant loan) them a shovel, tell them to dig a hole . . . and then lie down in it.

[Swagman]

64. loan ??..you mean rent.

[lumpy]

117. The no-nothing Fox host is an ignoramous, whoever he is.

I don't predict an outstanding career in communications for the innept doofus.

[checks-n-balances]

18. This was so telling, besides being interesting, with Grayson cool

and the interviewer stewing in his own juices because he couldn't manipulate/whip Grayson into taking his bait.

The interviewer was purposely confusing and twisting Grayson's responses. He also tried to paint all middle class people as feeling "entitled" to the 5 needed things, hence the absurd and out-of-place "Where's the pony?" remark. No real middle-class persons would even have that in their heads, except maybe children. And middle class child's wish list would not usually request a job, house, car, health care, or a pension. However, an upper-crust teenager/adult might be fantasizing about owning a baseball team (think George W. Bush).

Lots of weird projection, mischaracterization and just off-the-wall questions from that despicable interviewer.

On the other hand, Grayson was pure GOLD.

[perdita9]

23. Fox Hiring Clowns to do Economic Interviews

Honestly, that was just embarrassing. I can't believe Grayson kept his cool with that nitwit.

[iamthebandfanman]

24. yes, marxism is everyone sitting at home and doing nothing.

thats why we were so afraid of the communists. ...

oh, wait...

[JHB]

26. "Fox Host" is Eric Bolling, this from his show on Fox Business...

...Follow the Money.

Personal lifeBolling was formerly a commodities trader on the New York Mercantile Exchange. He specialized in trading natural gas, crude oil, gold, and other commodities. He has over 20 years experience on Wall Street trading commodities, equities and derivatives. It has been reported that Bolling has accounted for up to 5% of total daily volume in the natural gas futures floor.<2>

After spending 5 years on the Board Of Directors at the NYMEX (now CME Group), Bolling became a strategic adviser to the Exchange’s Board of Directors. He has been included in Trader Monthly Top 100 in 2005 and 2006. Bolling was the recipient of the Maybach Man of the Year Award at the Trader Monthly Awards, January 17, 2007.<3>

Eric Bolling is a member of Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME), New York Mercantile Exchange (NYMEX), Intercontinental Exchange (ICE), and Commodity Exchange of New York (COMEX).

Bolling graduated from Rollins College in Winter Park, Florida. He attended Duke University after graduating from Rollins College. Bolling was an accomplished baseball player and was drafted by the Pittsburgh Pirates. Bolling's playing career was cut short due to injuries. Bolling honors his baseball past by sporting a NYMEX traders badge of "RBI".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Bolling

Suuuuuuuuure this guy couldn't tell the difference between Federal income tax and FICA taxes.

[Lifelong Protester]

34. He was a regular on CNBC's "Fast Money"

Formerly also the home to Dylan Ratigan. I can see why the two guys left the show and went their separate ideological ways.

[provis99]

93. commodities trader? So he's never produced anything in his life.

Just an economic parasite living off of the buying and selling of others. And why should we listen to him?

[JHB]

109. Precisely. A glorified bookie. n/t

[lumpy]

118. Bolling got beaned with a baseball causing brain damage ?

Permanent brain damage ?

[gtar100]

27. The Fox "News" idiot had a point to make, but he made it in the wrong argument.

We get it. These fuck-ups on Fox think government programs that benefit the poor and indigent are a bad thing because they (WRONGFULLY) believe others pay for them. But these programs were *clearly* not what Alan Grayson was talking about.

That jackass saw nothing but "Democrat" and was so prepared with his right-wing, bullshit talking points that he didn't even see the actual gist of the conversation that he himself brought up. It's so sad to know that people watch Fox shows like this. They can't help but become more stupid afterwards. It was a clear demonstration of a lack of intelligence. Whoever this Fox idiot is, he demonstrated a poor ability to understand basic points of fact, namely, Grayson's definition of the meaning of "middle class" in America. Instead the numskull's shallow mind associates "Democrat" to this list and concludes "they want government to pay for all these things." And then he tries to act all smug and superior to Grayson. It's like these republicans are trained to act that way no matter what is said to them.

Nice to see that Alan refused to get sucked into that idiot trap. This particular Fox idiot host was clearly disappointed.

[fascisthunter]

31. so he is a lying sociopath with no merit to anything he was saying

[ljm2002]

29. That was hilarious!

Way to go Alan Grayson!

K&R

[craigmatic]

30. that host is a douchebag

[Harriety]

32. Who's this goon? He sounds like a carny. " Step up and knock the little ball threw the hoop!"

[MadMaddie]

33. Wha? Apparantly the guy is unable to perform analysis

and comprehension.....he thinks that middle class families exist because of governement handouts and taxes and not companies paying living wages.....very bizarre

This guy is an idiot.

[emmadoggy]

92. That's the part that jumped out at me too.

He asks who's going to pay for it all - uh, the person who has the decent, middle-class-lifestyle-providing job. Duh. No one is asking the government to pay us all to sit around and do nothing. What an idiot.

Of course, it is just one of their ways to deflect and obfuscate the point. I hate these people.

[tnlefty]

35. Dear Faux News Host,

I hope that your nuts fall off tomorrow.

Good night and good luck.

[Pool Hall Ace]

37. Alan Grayson makes sense.

The fox nooz host's rambling, disjointed style reminds me somewhat of a recently TS'd DU poster.

[greenman3610]

38. grayson totally owned this guy

[Mosaic]

39. Interesting how he ignores the payroll tax

And obsesses over the federal tax, a diversion. He gets visibly upset when Grayson corrects him. That says it all about how they play their little game of deflect and dishonestly trying to change reality. Reality is going bite them in the ass.

[Divine Discontent]

40. I was hoping for a real meltdown where he ended the segment because Alan handed they guy's ass to

him, but it was certainly enjoyable to see Alan so calmly dissect this asses deflections!
Thanks!

[madrchsod]

41. oh god ...why did i listen to that...?

i put up with enough dumb fucks in my daily life.... why, oh, why do i need another...

[stockholmer]

42. I feel the sudden need to take a shower after watching the sleeze oozing from Bolling

There will be violent confrontations in the US if his views carry the day politcally. On this, I would bet my treasure.

[Diclotican]

53. stockholmer

stockholmer

I don't understand why americans wil put up with this type of nonsence really.. In Europe we would have teared down this guy by hand if nessesary.. But in US they get their own shows to spew their hate for everyone else than themselfs.. And get paid a lot in the prosess too..

To mee it looks like the americans need a wakeup call, to understand that for having a "middle class" lifestyle, with a decent job, a house (big or small, dependt on your income) and maybe money to retire when that time came, (or have a public retirement plan as many european nations have) you also need some fair taxes, for everyone.. Even here in Europe we do se that some dosen't pay taxes, even tho they own millions, billions worth of wealt. Becouse they can the loopholes.. If everyone paid their taxes, to what they own, then we might have a whole another tax brakes in most cases anyway..

As long as this stand, americans would never have it better I fear.. the ordinary peopole of US have to stand up, and tell the powers that enough is enough.. Of course by legal means.. But I am also afraid it wil take time for americans, to undestand that they have to stand up, for their rigts.. Becouse it is a posibility they might loose it all, if they are not fighting back soon..
The extreme right have never been specially found of the programs going back to FDR.. And now they are in the prosess of rulling it all back, to the time when working class peopole had to work all their life, and die in "poor houses" when they was not able to work - and dosen't had familily to support them when they was not able to work anymore..

Diclotican

[Devil_Fish]

116. Diclotican

Diclotican

I understand your point and sometimes I wish I could move away from the U.S. The problem I have, like many other Americans, is that I must support my family and I barely get by. I don't have time to go out and protest; I am too much in debt. I have found that when people do go out and protest, it does little, as no one listens. We have huge protests here and the TV cameras do not cover it. The only thing that protesting does is take time away from my job and makes it harder for me to support my family.

You say we have to stand up and say enough is enough by legal means. We have. it makes no difference. We voted for Obama. turns out he is as much a corporatist as much as Bush was. If we lay in the streets, we get arrested for impeding traffic. If we protest in stores we get arrested for trespassing. If we send letters to congress we are ignored. If we vote Democrat, we get screwed, and if we vote Republican we get screwed even harder.

And the ultimate sad truth is that it doesn't matter who we vote for, because they don't count the votes any way.

[stormpilot]

43. Ditto to all the above. and...I nominate Balling for dooshbag of the week

[CatWoman]

44. Grayson refused to fall into his trap

and he was oh so cool about it, too.

[BlueMTexpat]

46. Thank you so much for posting text with your video!

I appreciate your posts generally - just wanted to K & R.

:kick: :yourock:

[alp227]

47. obviously the target audience of Fox Business are overprivileged brats who pay little in taxes

and who can afford the extra-premium subscription TV packages that include Fox Business. I've heard that in some places you have to pay extra just to get MSNBC.

[Jack Rabbit]

49. Is this idiot what Fox has to replace Glenn Beck?

Next question: What planet is he from?

[ProfessionalLeftist]

50. Grayson refused to get into the idiot's arena with him..

...to engage with is idiocy. It clearly frustrated the heck out of the idiot. That's how you play 'em.

[Enthusiast]

51. If only I was a healthy young man............

That is all.

[HughBeaumont]

52. Faux McPravda - "We Literally Employ the Clinically Insane. And, So What?"

That little bitch of the oppressors needs air-hammered in the balls for that nonsense bullshit. I couldn't even listen to three minutes of that. Annoying dicktastic tool places noose around own neck. That should have been the title.

I don't know what's worse - the "Obamalamadingdongnomics - Epoch FAIL?" tag line, Eric Bolling (who has no apparent television skill other than being a serial interruptor toolbox) or the fact that there are working/middle/poor viewers who agree with him.

[Lars77]

55. This is completely absurd

How are those five points connected to socialism in any way?

The moron knows that of course, but all the idiots watching at home are going "yeah obamers a socialist!"

This is actually frightening.

[bulloney]

56. This video gives you a whiff of how ignorant our commodity and stock traders are.

The Faux Snooze goober is obsessed with the mindset that the rich should just make more money any way they want with no interference, no regulation. If you're not in this class of people, then you're a leach, living off government programs paid for by hard-working rich people. I think you'll find most Wall Street and commodity traders have the same mindset.

I give Grayson credit for staying on his message and stating that people need jobs in order to afford a home, car, retirement and other necessities.

[Locrian]

57. bullony nailed it

>>The Faux Snooze goober is obsessed with the mindset that the rich should just make more money any way they want with no interference, no regulation. If you're not in this class of people, then you're a leach, living off government programs paid for by hard-working rich people. I think you'll find most Wall Street and commodity traders have the same mindset.


The rich live in a fantasy world that they think will always allow them to take as much as they can. It's the whole foundation that "eternal growth" of capitalism. And anyone that doesn't get it, and that buys into ANYTHING that cant be measured by the god "money" is a sucker and leach.

[Doctor_J]

60. Here's what Grayson should have said

"So you really think that having a home is the same as owning a baseball team. Let me ask you - are you really a psychopath, or do you just get paid to act like one?"

[Lorien]

70. +1 nt.

[Vinca]

61. I could never appear on a show like that - I'd get violent.

What a complete and totally asshole that host is. He must be trying to make a name for himself to cash in on the Beck time slot.

[sulphurdunn]

66. The more you have,

the more you get from government. To get more you have to take more from someone else. Watch out! This latest "deserving and overburdened rich paying for the deadbeat poor" meme (which is suddenly being repeated 24/7 on right wing media) is designed to leverage the tax position of the wealthy in current budget negotiations and is also the initial launching of their campaign to repeal the Earned Income Tax Credit.

[certainot]

67. 1000 radio stations get that idiot's back every day, while calling guys like grayson traitors

and they reach 50 mil people and NOT ONE of the main liberal orgs or the democratic party have any response, and it's been going on for 20 years.

while the left blames fox and guys like grover norquist (who maybe 10% of republicans know about) the heavy lifting is done from the local limbaugh hannity megastation, dominating national and local politics and media, messaging over and around anything obama and the dems can string together, swiftboating progressives, and moving the perception of the center right.

[LibertyLover]

68. Well, let's see, I'm 80% middle class -

I have a job, a car, affordable health care and a real, honest-to-Goddess pension. What I don't have is a house. I lost it because the mortgage ARMed and I couldn't afford it since my husband refused to find a job. Oh well, 4 out of 5 ain't bad I guess.

[Lorien]

69. Anyone who is reasonable and brings facts into a discussion

will cause a total meltdown on Pravda...er, Fox "news".

[olegramps]

72. These are the type of people Obama wants to reason with rather than crush.

[RufusTFirefly]

79. Hyperbole is LITERALLY destroying America!!

Grayson definitely did a fine job of countering the shrill accusations of a corporate stooge. But "TOTAL MELTDOWN"? Puh-leeze! Why must we persist in over-selling such things? DU threads don't have to be tabloid headlines.

[canoeist52]

80. So.. at the end, does he admits Fox is "opinion" not news??

[AbigailThomas]

81. The New Glenn Beck??

I think this is the guy FOX is looking at to replace Glenn Beck. Another day, same game.

[jeremyfive]

82. Fox Propaganda--Where the Insane People Can Find Employment

Another wacko on Fox. Pathetic.

[Blue Owl]

83. Fox is on the DECLINE

Time to expose Murdoch for the sinister, criminal, serial psychopath stalker he is, and be done with that shitheap they call "Fox News" once and for all.

[HopeHoops]

84. "91% of Americans are employed"??? WTF?

Even if you allow that he MIGHT have meant "Americans of employment age", a 9% unemployment rate DOES NOT imply a 91% EMPLOYED rate. What a fucking moron.

[wial]

87. yeah that stuck out for me too.

if that's Fox's understanding of the situation, it explains a lot of why they're so wrong about so many things.

91% have jobs? Is he mad?

[HopeHoops]

102. No, he's just a fucking idiot. FOX wouldn't hire him if he had more than 3 functional brain cells.

[Uncle Joe]

86. The ass-wipe wasn't even trying to interview Grayson, it was just his own BS commentary.

He wanted to have Grayson lose his temper, but Alan didn't fall for it.

Thanks for the thread, kpete.

[Althaia]

88. Grayson, was, I think, there to talk about a living wage

...and corporations paying their employees fair value for their work. As it stands, the value of an employee's work is not returned to the employee; it goes to the corporate executives and Wall Street.

[blackspade]

89. Who is this idiot?

Fox's deliberate conflation between income tax and payroll taxes is bullshit.
The fact that Cantor, Hatch and the rest of the 'thug leadership does this as well just shows how much of a RW mouthpiece Fox really is.

[LongTomH]

90. The only thing that Alan said that I would disagree with............

.........the remark that "Three-quarters of us enjoy a middle-class lifestyle!" I don't think that's true, at least not now.

And we're right back to that issue: "What defines 'middle-class?'"

[JDPriestly]

95. Where does Fox find such stupid people?

This actor/fake talk show host did not understand a word that Grayson was saying. Grayson could not have spoken more clearly.

Grayson was great. I bet the audience got what Grayson said.

And the first thing he said was that if you are middle class you have a job.

[Atypical Liberal]

96. EXTREMELY WEAK!

I don't understand all the recommends for this video, nor how this was proclaimed a "total meltdown".

What this was was a total missed opportunity.

When the host asks, "Who is going to pay for these things?", all Grayson could repeat was, "I don't know what you're talking about."

We know exactly what he's talking about, and we should not be afraid to say it very plainly.

These are the 5 supposed things that are needed to "be middle class"

1) A job
2) Own a home
3) Own a car
4) Have affordable health care
5) Have a pension

Who pays for these things? It's an easy answer and deserving of more than a puzzled dodge from Grayson:

Jobs are paid for by corporations, who should be incentivized to create jobs in the United States and penalized when they move them overseas.
Homes are paid for by people earning decent wages appropriate to skilled laborers.
Cars are paid for by people earning decent wages appropriate to skilled laborers.
Health care should be paid for through taxation.
Pensions should be paid for by people earning decent wages appropriate to skilled laborers and supplemented through taxation.

The problem here is that Grayson, like any politician, is afraid to talk about tax revenue being spent to the benefit of Americans, because people like this talk show host immediately scream "Socialism!"

Why be afraid of the damn "socialism" bogey man? We should fucking OWN it.

We have socialized schools, socialized roads, socialized libraries, socialized courts, socialized public attorneys, socialized police services, socialized fire services, and a socialized military. All of these things are things that we have decided make society better off if everyone has access to them, regardless of whether they pay for it or not. The simple question is, is health care and pensions going to be one of those things also?

And finally!

I am so tired of hearing "Well, 50% of the workers don't pay any taxes already!"

Yeah, well guess what? 2% of the population has 90% OF THE FUCKING MONEY! When some percentage of the population has no money, how the fuck are you going to tax them AT ALL?

Of COURSE the tax burden is shifting to the top - THEY HAVE ALL THE FUCKING MONEY!

If you want to broaden the tax base, BROADEN THE FUCKING WEALTH BASE.

This was a very weak response by Grayson.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

100. Eric Bolling can kiss my ass.

[mlevans]

105. Well done, Mr. Grayson, for refusing to be led.

Of course we would expect nothing less.

[peacetalksforall]

106. That scew is not a host, he is a performer - he performs for his boss and for points as

in keeping the job and guaranteeing a payraise.

How sickening - he stuffed words and viewpoints in Grayson's mouth - Grayson handled him perfectly - he let him perform with the perfect look on his face. He proved that less is more - he let him run with his own sick so-called interview.

What a waste of time. Typical of Murdoch-Ailes.

Worse than Beck - what means they have another winner!

[ecstatic]

107. Just when I thought it didn't get any worse than FNC, FBC comes along

They are the most disgusting group of assholes ever! :puke: I absolutely LOVE the way Grayson handled the host's childish behavior though!

[TatonkaJames]

111. If the host's remark that 50% of households don't pay into S.S.

Abd then he says 91% of the country is employed, then what is he doing ?

[Capt. America]

119. This guy is an asshole wrapped in a douchebag.

[FormerMillie]

120. the government doesn't really have to help

The GOP want tax cuts for corporations in the name of tax cuts.


Tax cuts should be given to corporations who put money back into the economy.... be it through higher wages for their employees, or better health benefits, or not tranferring jobs to India.


That doesn't cost the government or the taxpayers money. It costs the businesses money, and they have plenty of it... especially when you know that there are top corporations that don't pay one dime in income tax.

[maddiemom]

121. Where's the pony?

Actually in the fifties and sixties a bunch of us middle class kids had ponies, or more likely horses. We were the lucky ones since many of our parents were fulfilling their own childhood fantasies. These were the parents who would build a small stable and paddock , or even provide work with a trainer when dealing with
a more professional young horse talented enough to show. Full disclosure here: my maternal grandfather, while not pursuing this in adult life, grew up on a Canadian ranch working with old fashioned " horsebreakers." He knew how to do the actual horse whisper thing. I saw him do it time and time again with different horses. He explained to me that there was a nerve behind the ear that could control them, at least briefly. He could get a horse to follow him around with a nose against his shoulder. He passed away before sharing the secret he'd promised.
My point here is that the promise of a pony didn't used to be out of financial question, just too much trouble and logistics for many parents. To equate it with wanting to own a baseball team--I guess you'd have to be a Bush.