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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:52 AM
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If You Don't Understand Peak Oil Or Think It Is Not For Real - See This Video
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt3dGOTyGaE
 
Posted on YouTube: July 22, 2011
By YouTube Member: GetPeakOil
Views on YouTube: 99
 
Posted on DU: July 24, 2011
By DU Member: marmar
Views on DU: 2592
 
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Speck Tater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 10:17 AM
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1. K&R People have to realize that the age of growth is a thing of the past.
The world is NOT going to keep getting better and better. That was a temporary anomaly in the timeline of history, a brief blip on the radar screen of human existence.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 12:05 PM
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3. Actually,
we will continue to evolve--inevitably. Could we transition into an era of 'internal' growth, wherein we measure our achievements by our emotional and spiritual evolution? Could we focus our external industries on sustainable energy resources and egalitarian distribution of same?

Sadly, our species seems enthralled with power, in the guise of material wealth. Our hedonism is writ large, and our resultant ecocide seems imminent.
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CleanGreenFuture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 03:58 PM
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7. Could we focus our external industries on sustainable energy resources
and egalitarian distribution of same?"

Absolutely not. You're describing a transition phase which should have started after the peak of global discoveries, which occurred in the year I was born. And I'm 47 years old. The physical, real-world, mathematical reality is that peak oil occurs 40 years after peak discoveries. And since peak oil occurred in 2004, the 40-year rules seems to be validated.

Now, we are in a decline profile in oil production, as illustrated in the chart below.



In order to make the transition you describe, we need oil to fuel it. And there's not enough profitable oil (see EROEI) left to see us through it.

We fall off the plateau in 2013-2014.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 12:00 PM
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2. So,
I wonder why our species is not AGGRESSIVELY exploring sustainable and CLEAN energy alternatives? Could it be that we ARE insane? Could it be that our hedonism will be our Achilles' heel?
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CleanGreenFuture Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 04:03 PM
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8. Not only could it be, but it is those things. Peak oil is denied by some quarters just as
virulently as global warming is denied.

Also, we have a fossil fuel industry stranglehold on energy whose greed knows no bounds. A transition to a clean energy future is not possible against such power. And they would rather run us off the energy cliff than give up any of their profits to green technologies. They won't even be the agents of such a change, which confounds me to no end.

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 02:35 PM
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4. "Global oil production will peak, everything will change as a consequence..."
"And yet people won't be talking about the oil peak, they'll be talking about the unemployment figures, they'll be talking about the high price of food and they will have completely lost sight of the one event that caused all of those effects."

Why do you think the RW WANTS the destroy the middle class? Why do you think they WANT high unemployment? Why do you think they WANT to crash the global economy? Peak oil is coming - if it's not already here - and it will cause a massive economic depression. What better way to prepare for it than to induce a depression beforehand?
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 03:11 PM
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6. Everything IS changing as a consequence -
this explains US foreign policy

Just look at Zbigniev Brzezinski whose foreign policy philosophy has influenced presidents since Reagan and including POTUS

http://sandiego.indymedia.org/media/2006/10/119973.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-XIeb879SY

The fundamental problem with capitalism it ignores externalities such as the environment and the limit of resources. The master plan of the US/global capitalists is to control the resources through installed puppets, especially in resource rich parts of the developing world. This is what the Africa Command is all about and likewise adventures in the Middle East. The control of ME petroleum as a corner stone of US foreign policy was recognized sin WWI.

The foil to this of course is the development of local economies especially through organic agriculture, bio-intensive farming (grow veggies, etc w/o pesticides and fertilizers) eschew the food processing industry whose food tastes like crap and is heavily indebted to the oil industry through its reliance on plastics, pesticides, fertilizers as well as transportation.

Finally petroleum is just one of the resources that has reached its peak - water is another.

I don't see that over-population is the culprit; I think poverty and unequal distribution of resources are the problems..The unequal and controlled distribution of resources is after all what capitalism is all about - thus the problem is systemic. .We wouldn't notice the overpopulation in the developing world if they were wealthy nor do we stigmatize Western societies for having more than two children per household.

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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 02:47 PM
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5. We have to use alternative sources of energy and figure
out how to fertilize very small, individual gardens and farms.

We also have to reduce drastically the population growth that we now see around the world.

We have to use positive and negative incentives to cause countries to reduce their population growth.

Those countries that do not prioritize programs to control the growth of their population should not receive as much aid or development help as countries that successfully control their population growth.

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mckara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 05:34 PM
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9. Population Exploded with Cheap Energy
The combined effects of neoliberal economics and depleted fossil fuels with result in future mass starvation.

Westra, Richard. (ed). Confronting Global Neoliberalism. (Atlanta, GA: Clarity Press, Inc. 2010).

It may be that global starvation will preempt environmental Armageddon as the concluding chapter in the neoliberal saga unless powerful social collectivities emerge to force change.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:21 PM
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10. Agree -- MIC uses 80% of our oil -- they're talking about solar planes !!
Didn't check your video to see if it's the one I've seen --


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