More demands from Islam

[TheUniverse]

Run time: 05:59 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHh0NdR5Jh0   Posted on YouTube: October 09, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: October 09, 2007 By DU Member: TheUniverse Views on DU: 1074

 
British comedian Pat Condell talks about Saudi Arabia and their demands for human rights. Pretty interesting, even though he can be pretty crude at times.

[Az]

1. Gosh its a good thing all Muslims believe the same things

Makes it so easy to talk about them as a group. :sarcasm:

[TheUniverse]

2. When did he say that?

Im not saying I agree with everything he said, but I thought he made it clear not all Muslims are extremists.

[Az]

3. He quite clearly stated

That Muslims were sexist, defenders of terrorism, and a lot of other grand sweeping statements. Some are and some aren't. His entire speech is about the indignation of Muslims demanding human rights as if all Muslims were guilty of abusing human rights.

[TheUniverse]

4. He said there were moderates

But religion is kind of theme of his. You should probably watch some documentaries on Islamic Fundamentalism in the UK to understand his viewpoint. Maybe you would prefer his "United States of Jesus" video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f01IBDoZGg

[Az]

6. There is a big danger in colapsing groups

And that is all I am cautioning against. Yes, he does get around to indicating that there are divisions within Islam. But he will have already lost any in the audience before that because of his initial broad swipes.

I am an atheist that is very invested in debating religion so I am well aware of various cultural attitudes towards religion. But I also understand that how you say things and who you sweep up in broad statements makes a major difference.

[liberation]

5. Did you hear that?

It is the supersonic boom of his point flying over your head.

In any case, his attack was mostly against the Saudis...

[JDPriestly]

8. He specifically stated that some Muslims would object

to the mosque near the Olympics site because the people running that mosque would be the extremist Saudis. He differentiated among Muslims.

[deaniac21]

7. Apparently, he isn't aware that Islam is the religion of peace.

The problem is Christians and their ilk.

[JDPriestly]

9. Sorry, but the Koran talks about war against infidels.

The New Testament does not. Jesus is called the Prince of Peace. I have seen a long list of qualities or powers that Muslims attribute to God. Peace is not one of them. Mohammed killed people or ordered the killing of people. Jesus did no such thing. Some Christians have killed, but not at the instruction of Jesus. Christianity, as I was taught it, is the religion of peace. My father, a Christian minister, was a strict pacifist as are many Christians. The current perversion of fundamentalist Christianity is just that -- a perversion of the teachings of Jesus.

[liberation]

10. Funny, I thought that actions spoke louder than words....

For being such a religion of "peace," some radical elements in the muslim world sure find enough loopholes in their scriptures to justify suicide, the killing of innocent bystanders, the systematic abuse of females, stoning, beheadings, severing of hands, holly war, etc. etc. Last I checked those people crashing the jets into the buildings in NY, and killing a shitload of innocent people in the process, were convinced they were going to heaven for that deed. You call that "peaceful?"

The problem is that in Europe, people's patience is wearing thin: Plenty of Muslims have the expectation that the people, who are offering them the opportunity of a better life, are the ones who have to do all the compromises even when they are in their own country. That to me is behaving like a guest from hell...

Sure generalizations suck. But honestly, if some muslims spend as much energy making sure their religion was truly a religion of peace, as they waste complaining when someone calls out the actions of some of their fellows... I am sure we would be in a much better place. And that goes the same for other religions too...

[farmhand]

11. I thought he was right on the money

Well me being a hater of all organized religions, there wasn't allot he said that I didn't agree with. I had the unfortunate opportunity once to work for some Pakistanis and got fired after two months because I called in sick once. Anyhow it was 3 brothers who ran this shop, and they had a few non-muslim employees including me whom they treated like shit. They would talk badly about everyone who wasn't Muslim, but they would do it in Paki, little did they know that a good friend of mine was half Paki but didn't look like it, and he told me that they were bad mouthing me to each other in Paki while I was standing there. Anyhow these people were ill-tempered all the time. They would have absolutely nothing to do with anyone that wasn't Muslim, outside of business with non-muslims. Their kids all attended Muslim only schools, and they absolutely forbid their younger brother from hanging out with any of us. They kept promising him a women which made him happy. He told me that they were arranging one for him from Pakistan. Bottom line is, they made it very clear to me that they despised infidels and they had no intention whatsoever of integrating into American society at all. They sure were happy though to take peoples money when they came into the store. The only Muslim that I have ever met that didn't act that way was this guy I once worked with from Jordan and he was pretty much as American as the rest of us. I remember once we were eating pizza and there was pork on it, and I was like "you know theres pork on that" and he didn't care. Maybe he would have had it been in front of other Muslims, dunno, in Saudi Arabia he probably would have been shot or had one hand cut off for even touching pork, thats just how backwards these people are. If they weren't so damn dangerous, it would make for allot of laughter I think. I pretty much looked at the Middle East as a pariah, something to read about, until a bunch of Saudi's attacked New York, then I saw them for what they really were, religious extremists, and we know where that leads. The U.S. has been down that road many times, and its a road to nowhere.