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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:09 PM
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fTucker Hates the Troops, he Really hates them
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 04:23 PM by Vyan
 
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In this rather amazing exchange on Real Time last night, Tucker Carlson made some rather emphatic suggestions in support of Blackwater USA.


Tucker: You can't go anywhere in Iraq without them (Blackwater), the military is not going to protect you.

So much for "the surge is working" and strolling through the market to buy five rugs for five dollars! I thought Bagdad was supposed to be like Walmart by now?

I don't think there's any evidence that the Blackwater guys have committed anymore atrocities than our troops.

Say what? Our troops have commited "atrocities"? Say it isn't so Tucker - say it isn't so...

Oh right, according to Tucker using Blackwater is obviously better than our troops since they haven't yet had their own Haditha (where U.S. Marines killed 15 unarmed Iraqis) and Moumoudiya (Where U.S. Soldiers raped and murdered an Iraqi teenager and her entire family)? Is that really the standard we should be judging them by?

We should wait they get to the naked man stacking ala Abu Ghraib before we say "Enough" and finally think maybe we should renegotiate this contract?

Following his previous attacks on the 82nd Airborne (What they hell do they know about (how the Iraqis feel)?), Tucker shows the standard Right-wing mantra that privatization is always better than using public resources, in this case - Mercenaries are always better than using actual U.S. Troops.

Maher did a good job poking this mind-bubble with a big fat pin. (Note these are not full or complete transcripts)

Maher: There's have been over 200 incidents (of Blackwater shootings).

Paul Krugman: These guys drew weapons on American Soldiers, that was last year.

Tucker: If that's true - why did they get another contract the year after that?

Because nothing, but nothing, ever stands in the way of crony capitalism, not even treason - you should know that considering the little defense fund for Scooter Libby that your daddy runs.

Maher:If there were a bunch of mercenaries over in this country - say Iranians - and they shot up an intersection in the middle of Phoenix, wouldn't we call that terrorism?

Tucker: Well, we be offended by it.

Ok, I know I did a double-take when he said that - in fact if I'd been drinking something it would have been a spit-take. We'd be "offended" if a bunch of privately paid Iranian Mercenaries Enemy Combatants fired fully automatic weapons in the middle of a Phoenix street, killed 11 people and wounded 7 more? Hey dude, the "Democratic" Congress just voted to declare Iran's Republican Guard to be a terrorist organization. Are you fracking kidding me? The B2's would be in air on their way to Tehran in the first 5 minutes.

Tucker: We're pretending they're in control of their control, but let's stop pretending - we're in control of their country.

You call that "Control"?

Tucker: Maybe we shouldn't be (in control), but we are. So the idea that they get to pick and chose whose in their country is a lie, and we should stop aiding and abetting that lie. No, I'm serious - this "Democracy Nonesense" - that's all a joke.

So that means our brave men and women in harms way are fighting and dying for "A Joke"?

Krugman: I'd rather we use Marines - we used to have Marines protecting the embassies. And they're subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice if they do something wrong.

Maher: It's such an insult to the... (Troops?)

Tucker: Who protects your bureau, who protects the New York times Bureau in Baghdad because the military is not going to - you wouldn't have reporters there if it weren't for private contractors.

Krugman: What I'm worried about is why does the U.S. Government continue to deploy mercenaries?

Tucker: But it's not just them.

Krugman: But that's what's at issue.

Tucker: You deploy mercenaries - why are you doing that?

Maher: I'll tell you why...

Krugman: It's not same issue - why am I as a taxpayer paying for Mercenaries?

Maher: Because Iraq is a Boondoogle. It's a big dig overseas. There's nothing the Military couldn't do that Blackwater does - but there's No Money IN IT for the Republicans...

Tucker: I think we should make the New York Times live up to Mr. Krugman's standards.

Krugman: You know that's an idiotic arguement.

Tucker: No it's not and I'll tell you why - I was in Baghdad in November of 2003 and we got ambushed and you know who came to rescue us? Nobody. If you don't have private contractors you'll get killed.

Let's just ignore the fact that Tucker is a private citizen, and the New York Times is a private organization and if they want to hire their own Private Security nothing in the world really should stop them from doing that. The issue which he repeatedly ignored was that U.S. Tax Dollars are going to Mercenaries who are making as much as $1000 a day doing a job that our U.S. soldiers are fully capable of doing.

This shit is why Iraq has cost us $500,000 Billion and rapidly rising, and also why we aren't getting anything like decent results from our investment.

There's no money in bringing Democracy to Iraq.

Compare the above argument from Tucker with what he said earlier in the show on the issue of Health Care.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4lH592ZTTc

Tucker: Why is it that we should make health insurance manditory. She (Hillary) said the other day that if you don't have health insurance we're going to prevent you from getting a job - that's authoritarian.

So let me get the straight, we should be required to pay for Blackwater mercenaries - at highly inflated prices - to protect our diplomats in Baghdad using our tax dollars, because without them "we would die", but not for our own healthcare - without which - many of us would die.

Again Krugman takes him apart.

Krugman: The fact of the matter is that if you're uninsured in this country you show up in an emergency room and you get treated at everyone elses expense. The fact of the matter is that we ought to have a guaranteed system where everybody has healthcare and everybody pays taxes to make that system work.

Tucker: I thought you were all for choice and people making their own decisions about their own lives.

Krugman: Not at other people's expense.

Tucker: My only problem is that you're power of the government to force people to do things that you want them to do because you think it's best for them.

Krugman: No, no.. because it's best for the rest of us.

On the one hand Tucker is all for spending tax payer money to the tune of TRILLIONS on overpriced cowboy killers in Iraq, but the idea of spending a fraction of that to keep people alive is somehow "Authoritarian"?

War and Death = Good. Health and Life = Bad.

He's willing to have tax payers provide for any and all times of costs to keep his butt alive while he's running around Baghdad in a Humvee playing the Macho-Man - but not a dime for children who need care and have no other viable option?

And then later on in the broadcast, he argues that it's impossible to have a rational conversation over these issues when the other side automatically assumes that your "motives are Evil." I'm sorry but there really isn't much in this world more evil than letting sick kids suffer and die because you don't want to have uncle sam in your pocket to prevent or treat it properly.

I gotta say, I wish the kind of upside-down socipathic views that Carlson expressed were rare - but they aren't.

And yes, it is "Evil" in it's purest form. Self-preservation first and fuck everybody else.

Vyan

P.S. The Troops Suck - Tucker

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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:18 PM
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1. Carlson's mother
must have been drinking during pregnancy.
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:51 PM
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2. Spoiled, ignorant chickenhawk yacking idiot....
I have zero respect for this bow tied jack off. A more "prissy" over simplified shill I can't think of. He thinks he is so cute and persuasive. I'd really like to just shake him steady for about five minutes and yell profanity at him the whole time. What a turd.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 06:57 PM
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6. Now that is the best
description yet of Bow-tie Boy, I love it!!!
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 09:38 AM
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13. I couldn't agree more - he makes me sick - one good thing I have heard
is that his show has the lowest ratings of all of the MSNBC 'talk' shows, so hopefully he will be exiting soon and giving his time slot to David Shuster.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 12:06 PM
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14. David Shuster would be a healthy replacement for Tucker, Tucker need only
to continue being controversial, look what it's Done for Limbaugh/Hammity
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 04:58 PM
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3. Tucker doesn't hate our troops, he just thinks they suck.
I think this should be reported by Mr. Olbermann.
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 05:41 PM
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4. Tuckers lament...so much hate so little time.
Edited on Sat Oct-13-07 05:45 PM by ooglymoogly
and so he drowns everybody out who has anything useful to say with his idiotic whining, screeching like a parrot the same tired, meaningless mantra over and over.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:12 PM
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8. Viewers could have been hearing from Krugman, many having never heard from him before...
but instead you get Tucker's blathering over everyone else.
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 02:18 AM
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10. Agreed. Too bad Krugman had to be with fTucker
His presence seems to suck the intelligence out of the room and everyone has to deal with his nay-saying. He has this way of making conversations go nowhere.
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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 05:46 PM
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5. tucker is a..
fucker who will be paid of in hell big time!!
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:10 PM
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7. Fucker is an idiot.
Really, he is. I know I should do better than that, as far as goes enlightened intellectual analysis goes, but that about sums it up. I mean, he's saying stuff and doesn't even realize what he's saying.

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NoGodsNoMasters Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-13-07 11:48 PM
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9. Proportion is key.
Tucker is a dick, but he's not rabidly pro bush or pro war. I can't put him in the same category as nut jobs like Hannity and Coulter.
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LaStrega Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 03:38 AM
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11. In the words of Lewis Black .... again
This makes me want to eat my own brain.

FUCK ME but yay I'm glad to know others are worked to their last nerve.

I'm gonna drink 'nother Newcastle and try to ... sleep?

Meh.
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fiore280 Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-14-07 08:21 AM
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12. This represents a larger problem
with journalism today. Ftucker pulls off the "non-partisan media man" image very well. He will say that it's okay to argue whether we should be fighting in Iraq, but it's not okay to argue about how we do it as long as we're there.
Ftucker just wants to muddy the argument on blackwater...The people at the roundtable did not let him get away with it, but for such an indefensible argument, Ftucker didn't do terribly bad. Ftucker will allow for a debate on if we should be in Iraq, but he knows that debate won't take place (otherwise he wouldn't bring it up because that roundtable would ROAST him). So, he gets to use that as a tool--a Ftucker image neutralization tool. Now, with that tool in place, people can say, "oh look at that Ftucker, he's so willing to be neutral, and consider arguments from both sides, and he's been to Iraq, too! He must know what he is talking about, and he thinks that Blackwater is fine as long as we are there". That way, Ftucker can appeal to and spread lies to the people who wouldn't listen to Hannity, but would listen to the "non-partisan media man"
Ftucker will save the debate about whether we should be in Iraq for Will Kristol, Brit Hume, and the Sunday chickenhawk roundtable. Ftucker is just a cog in this whole right wing network. In this act, he played Hannity Light, to appeal to those people who are not totally braindead, but do not understand that privatizing our military is. a. bad. idea. in. the. first. place.
It is bad enough that we have business interests running what our military conducts, but also that we can now hire private contractors with much less accountability, solidarity, responsibility, and commmitment to professionalism than our service-men and women. Our service-men and women are committed to providing what best serves the nation. Private mercenaries are suceptible to being corrupted by their own business interests. They are not the worst people in the world, but it is proven that susceptibility to corruption under those circumstances is an ugly part of human nature.

"I would rather have marines protecting me" --very well said.

Tucker should be ashamed of himself
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-15-07 08:02 PM
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15. He's right at some points.
I don't think there's any evidence that the Blackwater guys have committed anymore atrocities than our troops.

Say what? Our troops have commited "atrocities"? Say it isn't so Tucker - say it isn't so...

Then what do you call Haditha? Or Abu Graib? Or raping and killing a 14-year old Iraqi girl and killing her family? Or killing an unarmed defenseless man who was already on the floor?
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