Bank Transfer Day Protesters Have Run-In with Dayton, Ohio Police

[votesparks]

Run time: 21:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAEYiVEnInk   Posted on YouTube: November 05, 2011 By YouTube Member: daytoninformer Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: November 06, 2011 By DU Member: votesparks Views on DU: 2361

 

[rsmith6621]

1. I dont have 21 minutes to watch it all.....

........ I wish people would do a little more critical editing..

[votesparks]

2. There's plenty for everyone

The police bit starts here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAEYiVEnInk&t=2m45s

2:45 mark.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. It's taking me a while to move my accounts from B of A but I am planning the

thing and I am so excited, so happy, so thrilled. I'm moving on to Envision Credit Union!

[JDPriestly]

4. Very interesting.

The protestors need to talk to a lawyer.

First Amendment issues are more complex than the officer claims, far more complex.

All protestors should contact a lawyer before they protest and have the attorney's number with them before they begin to protest. I think everyone should check the ACLU's website, maybe also the website of the Lawyer's Guild.

In LA, there are lawyers who go to observe demonstrations. They don't take sides. They just observe. A lawyer for the protestors would have been helpful here.

The officer may be interpreting the law in an arbitrary way. He admitted that he enforced the no honking law in a specific situation but clearly is inconsistent about how and when he enforces it. I heard horns during his conversation with the demonstrators, and he did not run out into the street to ticket someone.

Sounds like he doesn't normally enforce it but only enforces it when he is angry or frustrated by a situation. That might be considered arbitrary. Depends on the court.

Also, I don't know Ohio law about free speech on public or quasi-public property. But, a sidewalk? I wonder how there could be any public property open for free speech if the area in front of the courthouse or a sidewalk in front of the courthouse is considered "private" property?

It has been a number of years since I worked with any of these issues, but I think the Dayton protestors should check with a local lawyer, preferably someone who knows this First Amendment law. In my experience it is complicated.

If worse comes to worse, there is Findlaw, and you could check the Ohio and federal case law, but it is probably much too confusing. Getting two judges or two lawyers to agree on this stuff is tough enough.

Notice how the officer pretended to speak with such authority about these legal issues. What a joke.

That video is priceless. You may need it in court. Save it.

[flobee1]

5. The options are now limited

you cant yell, you cant chalk the pavement, you cant honk the horn, and there is no public space left to avoid the law.
that leaves no other option but to block doors, block traffic, make noise and make the police move you.


it is now against the law to protest
yes the first amendment still exists, but 50 other laws that have been passed since then, make the first amendment useless. I'm all for peaceful protesting, but is it even possible any more? I am also not against the police, but when the only complaints that are acted on are complaints by people with money, what other recourse do we have?

[AsahinaKimi]

6. First amendment rights

Are almost a joke these days, because if people are being "too loud" and a business calls the police, they have to inforce it by telling the protesters to either do it quietly or be removed. All these little side line ordinances, permits have taken away the right to free speech.

I guess the only way to do a proper protest is to have a Constitutional lawyer present, someone who can advise your group what you can and can not do.. and it all depends on the City in which you are protesting, because each has laws on the books, either new or old, that can still be applied.


But of course, we are now seeing people being arrested in massive arrests.. all across the country.

[izquierdista]

10. There was one who promised to be present

Kept telling us he would put on his comfortable shoes and protest.
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Wonder if he is still shoe shopping.....

[votesparks]

7. The policeman was intimidating legal free speech

with the possibility of being cited under a noise ordinance that was drawn up specifically in response to loud car stereos.

If you notice, he said that anyone who can be heard from more than 25-feet away (regular conversations can be heard from 25-feet away in many situations), can be cited under the city's noise ordinance. This would effectively squash all protest speech.

They need to challenge the law by breaking it and take it to court.

[flobee1]

9. I am from Dayton

I have met nearly everybody in that video.
I just now got my hands on a bunch of sidewalk chalk!
Monday morning when those bastard bankers come into work, they will see my artwork!

If I am arrested for drawing on the sidewalk with chalk, so be it

[daggahead]

8. Fortunately for me,

My small town has a small town bank. They are not owned by a multi-national criminal organization.