Hillary Clinton Against Torture

[journalist3072]

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For those DUers who disengenuously state that Hillary Clinton doesn't "understand torture."

I thought you might want to let the facts guide you here.....so here you go.

[durrrty libby]

1. Thanks...She will be the best president

[rodeodance]

2. thanks and REC

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Guess Who Said...

She said the “ticking time bomb” scenario represented a narrow exception to her opposition to torture as morally wrong, ineffective and dangerous to American soldiers.

“In the event we were ever confronted with having to interrogate a detainee with knowledge of an imminent threat to millions of Americans, then the decision to depart from standard international practices must be made by the President, and the President must be held accountable,” she said.

“That very, very narrow exception within very, very limited circumstances is better than blasting a big hole in our entire law,” she added.

And her husband pioneered the practice of outsourcing torture - that ain't good.

She likes war, and she's OK with torture. Why aren't she and her supporters proud of that?

[journalist3072]

4. So blame her for her husband's policies? Do you also want to blame her for the rain or your car

breaking down? That makes sense.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Aren't They A Team?

But let's say, for argument's sake, that she thinks that Bill was wrong to have people tortured to death: she still said it was OK to torture.

[journalist3072]

7. I think she's made it more than clear that if elected, SHE will be the one setting policy, not him

Did you not watch the debate when she told Tim Russert "He (Bill Clinton) is not the one standing up here right now."

Geez....some people here on DU can be so disengenuous.

[MannyGoldstein]

9. If My Wife Sent People To Be Tortured To Death, I'd Divorcer Her

But whatever.

[journalist3072]

11. Seriously....grow up.

[MannyGoldstein]

12. What? I Shouldn't Divorce My Wife If She Sent People To Be Tortured to Death?

I really don't want to be married to a sociopath - is that childish?

Are you OK with torture, outsourced or domestic?

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[rodeodance]

8. what would YOU do----in that situation?

[MannyGoldstein]

10. In The "Ticking Time Bomb" Situation?

Would I torture?

No. It doesn't even work - it's just sick and pointless other than being entertainment for sociopaths.

[Amonester]

13. Ok, that's enough. In that situation, what IF...

the "suspect" (IF REALLY guilty to begin with... 'cuz "mistakes" happen all the time...), so IF the "suspect" would "talk" and LIE (and that lie would result in a FALSE location being evacuated, while the REAL location would not and then: boom.)

TORTURE DOES NOT WORK BECAUSE THE ANSWERS OBTAINED CAN NEVER BE CONSIDERED RELIABLE

Thank you for understanding.

[Duppers]

15. YOUR point may explain a LOT

Please see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition#Background

"Critics — some of whom dub the procedure "torture by proxy"<9><3><10> — have accused the CIA of rendering suspects to other countries in order to avoid US laws prescribing due process and prohibiting torture, even though many of those countries have, like the US, signed or ratified the United Nations Convention Against Torture. Critics have also called this practice "torture flights".<11> Defenders of the practice argue that culturally-informed and native-language interrogations are more successful in gaining information from suspects.<12> CIA desk officer Michael Scheuer, who co-authored the rendition policy and served on the CIA's Bin Laden tracking desk until 2004, has told the press that torture was used both before and after 9/11: “I have no doubt about it.”<13>"



IT WAS ILLEGAL. BOTH the Bushies AND William Jefferson could be prosecuted for this!!!
And it doesn't speak well for my hero either (see my icon).
Grounds for an unspoken blackmail deal/truce???? This MAY explain at LOT.

:wow:

I'm upset.

[emilyg]

14. Thank you. R