Bill Maher escorts 9/11 assholes out of audience (live)

[MalloyLiberal]

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[Mojambo]

1. Wow. Cool. n/t

[AntiFascist]

123. Cool, the fascist shift begins....

in Bill Maher's audience.

[iaviate1]

2. I'm usually all for speech like this...

But this was kinda pathetic since there are far better targets out there. And I happen to believe the collapses were planned with explosives well before the planes crashed as well.

[Redstone]

5. So, believe that. But don't do what they did. I thank your for saying that you

thought what they did was pathetice, because it certainly was.

Redstone

[Cooley Hurd]

6. "collapses were planned with explosives well before the planes crashed"

:rofl:

WTC7 came down because the north wall of WTC1 smashed into it (and set a building with thousands of gallons of diesel fuel on fire, which burned for hours). WTC1 & WTC2 came down because PLANES FULL OF FUEL smashed into them at 500 mph!

Cripes - the most filmed event in history supports this!:crazy:

[Skip Intro]

11. what do you thnk of this filmed event:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZlIwcVAxZsU


how do you know what happened that day? are you an expert in building design? structural collapse? demolition? Or do you just know what you were told that day, and the days and months following, by the talking heads on tv as they showed you scary pictures?

[Riktor]

65. No, I am not...

... an expert on "building design" (I believe the term is "architecture"), "structural collapse", or "demolition", and chances are, neither are you. So, that puts us both in the same boat of relying on others for information. Only, my sources have sheepskins from accredited universities hanging on their walls, while your sources don metallic headgear.

:tinfoilhat:

[AntiFascist]

124. Um, you should check the sources...

http://www.ae911truth.org/aboutus.php

...

"Richard Gage, AIA is the founding member of ae911Truth.org. He has been a practicing Architect for 20 years and has worked on most types of building construction including numerous fire-proofed steel-framed buildings. He is employed with a San Francisco Bay Area architecture firm and has most recently performed Construction Administration services for a new $120M High School campus including a $10M steel-framed Gymnasium. Currently he is working on the Design Development for a very large mixed use urban project with 1.2M sq.ft. of retail and 320K sq.ft. of high-rise office space — altogether about 1,200 tons of steel framing."


not your typical tinfoil whacko.

[A HERETIC I AM]

99. Regarding that filmed event....

What is more likely?

That Chris Angel can defy the laws of physics and actually walk on water or that it is a magicians trick?

What is more likely?

That a demolitions crew went through the painstaking and complex task of rigging with explosives completely undetected, a building that was used daily by hundreds of people, or that it came down as a result of damage sustained because two other 100 story buildings came down right next to it?

And as far as the claims regarding the twin towers and how no other steel framed building has ever been brought down by fire, it is rarely if ever noted that no other steel framed buildings had the same design (ie: NOT completely "box framed") as the twin towers. Comparing the damage sustained to those two uniquely built and engineered structures to ANY other high rise fire is comparing apples to oranges.

Dammit...i just broke one of my own cardinal DU rules....to never post on that subject because there is only one appropriate picture to go with it. This one:

[Andy Canuck]

111. Yeah but,

WTC 7 was a traditionally constructed building.

[Name removed]

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[AntiFascist]

145. Also, weren't they upgrading the network infrastructure several weeks prior?

This is where an informed whistleblower could come in really handy.

[Kajsa]

146. Check this slideshow.

From 'How the Towers Fell' on Nova not long ago.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/sunder.html

Start slideshow and hit the link ' collapse'.
It shows how the exposed floors trusses were weakened and
later, bent.

From an engineering standpoint, it makes sense.

Back to Maher,

IMHO this was the best 'Realtime' this season.
Kasparov was excellent.

[ryanus]

12. diesel. ha ha. Tell that to NIST

They don't know why it fell

[0007]

51. I'll pass on the cool aid! Please.

[davidwparker]

114. the ignorance behind this statement is stunning.

Enlighten yourself http://st911.org/">here.

[pberq]

158. You're certainly free to support the official conspiracy theory

And that is all it is - a conspiracy theory. It has holes in it you can drive a truck through.

For starters, check out David Ray Griffin:

http://www.wanttoknow.info/050504davidraygriffin

[Acadia Blue]

39. Ditto.

[rabies1]

55. Wrong setting. This kind of behavior makes us look like freaks.

I'm all for free speech but this was the WRONG time. I couldn't hear what they were screaming so what's the point? Bill was absolutely livid - at the time it happened when he jumped off the stage (I thank God he didn't have a taser) and at the very end of the show - did you see his face??

[davidwparker]

116. I agree with this. Fight the fight with facts. To interrupt the show like that

was just rude. It's not a matter of life or death or anything that matters if Bill Mahr believes the government's conspiracy theory. If he is happy in his delusion, then I'm happy for him.

[dbonds]

147. Yes, bill wouldn't ever encourage anyone to protest like that would he?

Or would he? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kharSEDBxaI

[Crap_in_a_Hat]

132. Then why are you still alive?

If 3,000 people were killed by the government to make this point, why wouldn't they kill anyone who discovered the truth through the magic of bored college kids with grainy videos? Why don't we just hold the government responsible for the mass murder it actually commits?

[PatSeg]

3. Could anyone make out what they were yelling?

I only caught the reference to building seven.

[Skip Intro]

8. They were trying to bring notice to the inconsistencies of the offical story of 9*11.

I think Bill was a jerk.

[MalloyLiberal]

14. It's not the 9/11 Truth Show

It's the Bill Maher Show.

Show some fucking respect.

[Skip Intro]

15. bill was a jerk - he reminded me of orielly

no, its not polite to shout from the audience, and persist - but we still don't know what they were saying and it seemed directed at times towards Matthews. But to kick out someone because you scoff at their beliefs, which he did - sorry.

He came off as a closed-minded snob.

[CardInAustin]

18. I disagree

Those people had no right to interrupt the show to shout their beliefs. Sorry, that is neither the time nor the place for such a demonstration. Bill did exactly the right thing. He didn't kick them out for having those beliefs, he kicked them out for screaming them during a live national tv show.

He was totally right.

[Acadia Blue]

40. He was not a jerk. Its a comedy show, not a political debate, and

its rude to do this n theater or a night club.

[RestoreGore]

59. Then he shouldn't have politicians on his show

or share his "political" views.

[rep the dems]

76. Agreed. How anyone could think that Bill was in the wrong for throwing

disruptive jerks like that out of the audience is beyond me.

[The Doctor.]

27. It was rude.

I have an understanding of structural engineering, and I'm pretty sure WTC 7 was a CD, but they were rude.

Bill did the right thing.

[jzodda]

29. I disagree too...Way to go Bill! Kick out the assholes

Audience from the latin word to listen! I loved it! :)

[proud2BlibKansan]

46. They were rude and it's his show

Do you watch him to hear what the audience is yelling or to hear Bill and his guests?

I agree with the 9/11 truth movement. But disrupting a live TV show is not the way to promote our cause. It just makes them look like kooks. And kooks like this are the reason I rarely attend any 9/11 events anymore.

[RestoreGore]

61. Like Code Pink when they shout out at Congressional hearings?

[proud2BlibKansan]

115. No that's different

I would think that would be an obviously different situation. Congress reps are employed by the taxpayers and they work for US. Hence they need to be responsive to the citizens. When they are not (and they DEFINITELY have not been in regards to the invasion of Iraq) they can expect the citizens to demand their voices be heard. And the rooms where these hearings are heard are public property.

Bill Maher, on the other hand, has a TV show and is not an employee of the taxpayers. I would also suspect his studio is private property.

[davidwparker]

117. I disagree with this. Congress is the place to protest. CBS studios is not.

I agree the group should have been kicked out since they were being rude. I disagree with you about Code Pink protesting in the "people's house."

[AntiFascist]

126. There is a reason people have to yell and scream and be disruptive...

Maher has earned the trust and respect of many on the left, but in one fell swoop he totally disrespected the 911 truth movement in a previous broadcast. The only member of the conventional media who even dares to remotely approach the topic is Keith Olbermann when he discusses the "nexus of politics and terror."

[gmudem]

157. Um

He kicked those people off his show because they were audience members very rudely interrupting his show and just being assholes. I think that should be painfully obvious to anyone who watched this.

[Fredda Weinberg]

36. Don't protest when someone else is paying union scale n/t

[MADem]

19. I thought the jerks were the ones tossed out. Bill did a great job! nt

[143tbone]

142. Maher shows his true colors

I also think he was a jerk. There were a whole lot of different ways he could have handled that and he chose to react in a very mean and slimy manner. What group of people in this country does that sound like?

[Redstone]

4. Way to handle it, Bill. Very well done, indeed.

Christ, I'd have expected it to be some rightwing assholes who would try to disrupt your show, but what do you get? 9/11 nutters.

You handled it PERFECTLY, though.

Redstone

[D23MIURG23]

7. I usually find Bill Maher funny.

This however, was even more hillarious than usual.

[Skip Intro]

9. What are "9*11 assholes?"

on edit: and screw bill maher - how the fuck is he so sure what happened that day?

[cboy4]

10. LOL. I was waiting for someone to react to the title.

:popcorn:

[MalloyLiberal]

13. Assholes that interrupt a live taping

They were not given the floor, now were they.

It's HIS show, not yours.

Crawl back in your hole.

[Skip Intro]

16. So that would just be "assholes" in general - no special strain called "9*11 assholes" right?

[Twist_U_Up]

38. Calm down

Why does this bother you so ?
I mean its Bill Mahar. A near zero

I think somebody needs a nap. Or maybe a nice cup of cocoa?

[krkaufman]

43. Maher... "a near zero"

I'm glad somebody said it. Maher's political wisdom could barely fill a thimble, but we're so f#@$@in starved for left-of-center commentary that he's been raised up as a god.

[rep the dems]

77. Yeah right.

I mean just look at what he's been saying about the War in Iraq for all these years? What an idiot! :sarcasm:

[springhill]

112. Hmmm, what he's been saying about Iraq all these years?

His tune has changed a lot since the beginning. He even suggested once that Bush may be regarded as a hero concerning his illegal invasion of a sonvereign country. Like maybe he is going to change the Middle East into a democracy who will love us. That was his original position. Now, of course, since things have gone terribly wrong, or right, depending on this regimes true intentions, is he panning the war. And not because it is illegal, but because it wasn't carried out in an efficient manner.

[davidwparker]

119. No, originally he was willing to give * a chance with it ... if you remember.

He only changed his mind when * screwed it up so badly. Bill Mahr is smart, but his not some oracle and we should not take offense if he doesn't have a particular 9/11 point of view. Mahr and I disagree on religion, but he's welcome to his opinion on that as well.

[dbonds]

148. Good point, remember when he called bush a man of vision?

Right after the Iraq election he was praising bush for his long term vision, lasted a few months.

[MADem]

20. People who believe idiotic, convoluted conspiracy theories about how the WTC bldgs fell. NT

[Skip Intro]

26. as opposed to....?

the official word, from a pack of proven liars?


no one could have imagined, eh?

[silverojo]

32. And why was 9/11 filmed by so many cameras?

I don't know about you, but it seems to me that if it's just an ordinary day in NYC, the only people filming the WTC would be tourists with camcorders. Why were so many pros on the scene to film 9/11 as it happened? Normally, reporters arrive on the scene AFTER a disaster occurs...because they weren't expecting it to happen.

[izquierdista]

35. Let's see....

10 million people living within a walking radius, all major networks having studios within blocks, I don't know. Why don't you tell us?

[Riktor]

74. Do you really want to hear his wacky-ass explanation?

I mean, obviously this was a well organized plot. The Illuminati, under direction of the Reverse Vampires, carefully guided the hands of the Freemasons, which in turn influenced the National Chimney Sweep Union, which planted mind control devices down the chimneys of the White House, the Vice President's home, and Rumsfeld's suburban duplex, which incidentally was designed by well-known Satanist and alien-abductee Chester H. Wurstmeister, who first made contact with the reverse vampires via astral-projection in the year 1845 (which is really the year 1842 and 3/4, but that's a different story altogether). The mind control devices persuaded high ranking members of the government to order plain-clothes CIA agents (as opposed to the flamboyantly-clothed CIA agents that were used to trim Pinochet's mustache) to climb up to the top of the North Tower and place charges on the 94th-98th floors. Also, they were instructed to place charges in the South Tower, from floors 78-84. "Why the disparity" you may ask. Well, the answer is simple.

...

Well, anyhow, these plain-clothes CIA agents (who, by the way, wore REALLY plain clothes... I'm talking like, off white KMart brand polo shirts and Dickies...) planted charges in the North and South Towers, which they detonated just as the Freemasons remote-piloted airplanes into the building. Later that day, the mind control waves subsided and the government officials finally awoke from their chimney sweep-induced trance to see the chaos that lay at their feet. Naturally, they went apeshit and decided to carpet bomb every Muslim country from Atlantis to El Dorado. Meanwhile all the secret players got what they wanted. The chimney sweeps, revenge for a nigh century of neglected chimneys. The Freemasons, they were happy just to be a part of something secret... I mean come on, now that they've got recruitment ads on TV, the secret society just ain't that secret anymore. Meanwhile the Illuminati got precisely what they wanted... new shoes (The Reverse Vampires pay very well). Finally, at the pinnacle of the conspiracy, the Reverse Vampires are reaping the profits, having been inducted into the John Pierpont Morgan Society of Super Villany. Now they are relaxing on warm beaches, drinking blood from babies' skulls with Nixon, Kermit Roosevelt, Headless Agnew, and Michael Eisner.

Wait.

What?

You don't believe me?

Whatever man, just look at where your information comes from! FINE! You keep living in the dark, my eyes are open!

... where the fuck did I put my car keys????? Oh... right, they were beneath my :tinfoilhat:

[MADem]

81. That was BRILLIANT!!!!! Well DONE!!!

:rofl:

[MrModerate]

95. I thank you and the 9/11 Nuts thank you for your cogent summary . . .

Of what happened that awful day (and the 150 years leading up to it). I've never actually seen the case put with such precision and authority.

You left out the Jews, though -- a serious omission -- and so only score an 89. It could have been 95-97 if you'd invested just a little more effort.

[davidwparker]

122. Do you still believe the single bullet theory or does that one still pass you by?

How about Gulf of Tonkin? You still believe that happened?

[Skip Intro]

130. or Operation Northwoods? or the 2000 election? or the wmds in Iraq?

[Riktor]

154. Except

If the Bush Administration were capable of organizing an attack on the World Trade Center in order to rally America behind their imperialist cause, don't you think they would also have had the forethought to plan puppet regimes for Iraq and Afghanistan? Whoever planned the 9/11 attacks was smart, not stupid like the Bush Administration.

[pberq]

159. who says they are stupid? Seems like things are going well for them

Chaos in Iraq and Afganistan gives them the excuse to keep the U.S. military there forever.

[Riktor]

163. On the contrary

As Lenin said, the apex of capitalism involves the installation of puppet regimes, which allows for the exploitation of resources without the financial loss of maintaining an army abroad. If their goal is to exploit Iraq for its natural resources, then I would have to say things are not going well for them at all.

[pberq]

164. That's a good point.

But suppose that exploitation of natural resources is not the primary goal.

Instead, maybe the primary goal is to create a strategic base where they can flex military muscle around the region. Why else would they be building permanent military bases and an enormous embassy?

[Stand and Fight]

153. Lovely!

You should expand on that and submit it to the Onion. Very well done! :rofl:

[LSK]

166. that is THE PRIME EXAMPLE OF A STRAWMAN

[DireStrike]

113. Eh? Sarcasm?

The first impact/explosion was only caught by like one camcorder. Try to find it, there's like just that one clip in existence.

The second impact occurred some time later. I was on the train downtown during the first impact, walked out and saw all the crap in the sky. Wondered, made jokes, etc. Walked to school 4 blocks away. Sat there for a good 10 or 20 minutes before the second impact occurred, by which time cameras were focused on the WTC. Mostly chopper-cams, as I recall. Just about every major news agency has a traffic copter, which they sure as hell would train on the WTC as soon as it happened. There was plenty of time for nearby crews to respond. News crews make it their business to get cameras out to where news is happening as soon as they hear about it. Given the WTCs history, this was big news, everybody wanted to cover it. And even if it wasn't terrorism, and there would be no more explosions, there was still a huge fire, a gaping hole in the side of the largest building in the city, and a sky full of smoke and debris. I think there was ample incentive to go film it ASAP.

Did I completely misread your comment? It doesn't seem to make much sense.

[MADem]

79. You have fun in delusion-land. Just because Condi didn't have the sense to

look down the road to see what was coming up, does NOT translate into her and her cronies packing bombs in buildings to bring them down. No matter how much you desperately try to convince people that's the case...

Help IS available.

[Skip Intro]

87. Classy. Why do you believe so strongly in the "official" story? bush regime above such things?

do you not find it odd, forgetting for a moment the glaring discrepancies of the "official" story, that people who pined for a "new Pearl Harbor" came to power through the back door (is it ok if I question the 2000 election?) and bam, we have our new Pearl Harbor, and the wars that follow. Do you not find it odd that secret meetings with the energy bigs and cheney focused on oil deposits in Iraq? (Is it ok if I question the reasons we went into Iraq?) Do you not find it odd that anthrax letters went to media and Democratic Senators just as the vote for the patriot act was upon us? (is it ok to question those anthrax attacks, still unsolved?) I could go on and on, but I'm sure you've heard it all.

Do you think a gang of thugs who'd kill tens, or hundreds, of thousands of innocent people, kill or maim tens of thousands of our own soldiers, above killing a few thousand people to get the ball rolling?

Or do you just think, "well gee, bush said it was so, and Katie Couric repeated it, so there's really little room for doubt - I believe!?"


There are DUers far better equipped to argue the specific elements of the official story which you hold as gospel, to the point of ridiculing anyone who dares question it, and the inconvenient facts which dispute it. Or check out 911truth.org. (yeah, right)

My delusion? Or yours?

[MADem]

89. Because anyone who believes in the "explosives in the buildings" theory

would have been locked up and medicated before Reagan opened the loony bins.


See post 74--that sums it up.

To answer your last question: Your delusion. Most definitely.

Do get help, life's too short.

We're done here. Have the last, whacky word if you'd like!

[Skip Intro]

91. Classy again. Questions met with insults. Yeah, we're done here.

Have fun in your self-assured, know it all bubble. And by all means, don't question anything you're told.


The world needs its drones, I guess.

[MADem]

136. Oh, good! You might have been done sooner, and spared yourself the drama.

But better late than never, I suppose.

[AntiFascist]

129. Post 74 is clearly uninformed...

it could have simply been Kuwaitis who wanted us to attack Iraq.

[zalinda]

131. I have my question too

While I don't know if it was done on purpose (didn't someone say Neil Bush was in charge of security on those buildings), the investigation was sure done in secrecy, leaving a lot of unanswered questions.

zalinda

[Peggy Day]

143. I still don't know what happened to NORAD. I don't think it was appropriate to protest there though.

[davidwparker]

125. the planes did not bring the buildings down; they stayed up after the hit.

the fire didn't melt the steel, because it doesn't get hot enough and didn't last long enough to do so. See link.


http://twilightpines.com//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=46">Problems with Dick Cheney's explanation of 9/11.

[davidwparker]

121. that was the conclusion of the government's official conspiracy theory:

it was a "failure of imagination." :sarcasm:

[reinhardt]

93. "How" the building fell is a subject change from "why" and "when" and who benefited?

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the Internet Bubble

by: Daniel Quinn Mills  

Page: 129

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As a result of how Quatronne's office allocated shares in
IPOs, Credit Suisse First Boston (CSFB) ended up as the
subject of investigations by the National Association of
Securities Dealers (NASD), the Securities and Exchange
Commission and the U.S. Attorneys Office in New York.  In
addition other major banks have been subpoenaed in the IPO
probes.

Fate intervened in what was likely to be the major criminal
proceeding arising out of the bubble.  The Securities and
Exchange Commission was engaged in an investigation into the
allocation of IPO shares by Credit Suisse First Boston but the
SEC had offices in a building near the World Trade Center.  On
September 11, 2001 the terrorist attack destroyed many of the
records that were central to the case against CSFB.  Though
the SEC immediately began to try to rebuild the case, it was
unable to do so and announced that criminal actions would not
be brought.  On hearing of this a friend of mine in investment
banking responded, "It is better to be lucky than
good."

[MADem]

138. Those nuts in the audience were bullshit that BM didn't agree with their flaky theory on the HOW,

though. That's why they made assholes of their flaky selves on premium cable.

[davidwparker]

120. Does science bother you? It's that "free fall" speed thing that bothers me.

It's my eyes seeing buildings come down in NYC the same way my eyes have seen hotels and other buildings come down under controlled demolition.

It's the way the "terrorists" where known right after an event, that the administration had no idea was going to happen. (Some of them have come back from the dead to do interviews with the BBC, by the way.)

http://cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project">Et cetera.

[MADem]

134. SCIENCE!! SCIENCE!!!

:rofl:

Please, don't blind us with that bullshit, er...science.

[JMDEM]

17. Free speech is vital to a democracy

Even if it causes sparks to fly.

[KeepItReal]

33. If your free speech is in a public forum, sure. Not at somebody's workplace.

Real Time ain't a public forum, it's a television production.

The guys/gals pitching a fit during the broadcast are no less unruly than a fan who throws a beverage on an opposing player or runs onto the field during the game.

As audience members, they are given leeway to boo or jeer when a speaker makes a statement they don't like, but they interrupted the whole show.

[Acadia Blue]

41. They got their message out before leaving. Would you have had

that go on the entire program?

[krkaufman]

44. Not when you're leveraging *your* Free Speech to shout down someone else's. n/t

[Drunken Irishman]

105. Especially in a private building.

If Bill had done his show in a public square, those protesters would have the right to stand there and make an ass out of themselves. However, on a private set, if their shouting is disruptive, they can be removed. Just like DU moderators have every right to remove posts here at DU, or even in extreme cases, the user themselves. Why? Because DU is a private forum.

[tulsakatz]

21. Maher handled it very well.......imo

just to be clear, I don't believe the official 9/11 story but that issue didn't really come up in this instance. I believe that's why the people started yelling but even the people on the stage could not understand what they were saying. And if people don't understand you, you're just making noise.

Also the people doing the yelling were trying to control the agenda........and that's something that Maher just will not tolerate. It's his show and he has the right to say what does and does not happen on his show!

I thought he handled it great!!

[bluestateguy]

22. What were those cackling twits whining about?

Hecklers usually don't have anything productive to add to the debate, because they don;t want to debate. They just want to yell and scream.

[tulsakatz]

23. it was hard to tell what they were saying....

....the only thing that I heard was 9/11.........the rest of it was impossible to tell what they were saying.

And one of them had a sign but I couldn't tell what was written on that either........

[tomreedtoon]

24. My respect for Maher went up eighty percent.

Those people were hecklers. Ever been heckled? Ever tried to speak and have a loon holler at you? Have you ever sat next to a tinfoil-hat-guy on a bus or a subway, and been told how the space aliens and Bat Boy brought down the World Trade Center?

Those conspiracy theorists are all egotists anyway. They are right and all the rest of us are wrong. And when they are proven right, the world will apologize to them, as they hang George Bush and all the members of the Bavarian Illuminati on the steps of the Supreme Court building. And then, in the shadows cast by those twitching corpses, they will be nominated Bosses of the World for their incisive thinking and their disdain for such mundane and stupid things as facts. Bah.

They are people who need to be called on their pretensions, just like other pretentious people like Michael Jackson, Paris Hilton, George Bush, Madonna and (thank you, Parker and Stone) Barbra Streisand.

And before the Secret Masters of Conspiracy start attacking me, one final note: whom among any TV hosts, or right wing nuts like Limbaugh, would ever dare to go out and face the people who want to heckle them? Maher could have been cut by those infected lunatics, but he didn't care. He was willing to defend his show himself, and that's more than Mick Jagger did at Altamonte.

[Guaranteed]

Yeah. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are the people to call others on pretension.

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On their show that has a blatant, spelled-out "moral" at the end of every episode. "Lessons" which most of have already incorporated into our lives as common sense.

[Guaranteed]

25. Yeah. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are the people to call others on pretension.

On their show that has a blatant, spelled-out "moral" at the end of every episode. "Lessons" which most of have already incorporated into our lives as common sense.

[jzodda]

30. Yeah my respecto meter went way up too

Those people were just plain assholes.

[LSK]

165. have you ever heard a loon say the government spys on them

Oh wait thats happening.....

[TheUniverse]

28. Everyone has freedom of speech.

But you do not have the right to interupt Bill's show during taping unless he is taping in public property. (AKA the goons who make faces at the weatherman at the local parade are perfectly OK) But he was in a private building and if he felt someone was being disruptive, he had the right to remove them. Bill did the right thing.

[Drunken Irishman]

104. Exactly, this is what some people don't understand.

At least those people who keep advocating their freedom of speech. I can invite someone into my house and when they start taunting me, not stopping even when asked to shut up, I have the right to remove them from my house. It's a private building, where Maher can kick anyone out as he pleases. Just like hecklers at Democratic debates can be kicked out (I remember a LaRouche groupie shouting down the debaters in '03).

I tuned in to watch Maher and his panel, not the studio audience and their crack pot ideas.

[Syrinx]

31. why do they even have a live audience for that show?

Whenever the audience lets their collective opinion be known, via boo or cheer, Maher tells them to shut up.

I watch the show regularly, but the studio audience seems superfluous to the format.

And furthermore, the last thing we need in today's environment is for a talk show host to be urging "security" to "kick some ass," for simply speaking up, even disruptively.

[jimlup]

34. I agree

Bill is a reasonably sensible guy but his decision to advocate "kicking their ass" was over the top and counter to free speech. They could remove them without "kicking ass". If the 9/11 "truthers" resisted then standard techniques of "kicking ass" could be applied but their is no reason to glorify it.

Unfortunately, I think we're losing the opportunity to actually debate and investigate 9/11 questions thanks to the ridiculus theories and techniques of the "truthers".

[MADem]

84. It's not for the feedback, it's because it's an "event." It's the wonkish,

sit-on-your-ass, no dancing and no coke (at least during the show) version of STUDIO 54. It's a good ticket, something to talk about and boast to your friends. Having the audience creates buzz.

Also, the comedy bits that often open the show, and the New Rules segment benefit greatly from the audience response, as do any clever retorts by the panel.

Maher really only tells the audience to STFU when they start booing and don't stop, and being excessively rude, or when he's working under a time restraint (most often when he is talking to the giant screen). And surely, that's a "doth-protest-too-much" element of the whole show, too, that very back-and-forth interaction with the audience.

[Twist_U_Up]

37. Bill was owned.

Cant have 9/11 talk on my show.

What about building 7 Bill ?

Ann Coulter and Bill make a lovely couple. Dont you think.

We need more and more of this until the Families and the American people start getting some answers.

[Acadia Blue]

42. He really believe that GW did not have anything to do with it, and

many others believes the same. Bill obviousouly has a right to his belief just as anyone else does. All us on the left to not agree with everything. I personally believe that GW and minions either did it or knew it was coming and did nothing, but I base that on the other stuff these goons have done. Nothing is beyond this crowd, and anyone who thinks they have empathy of compassion is missing something.

[pretzel4gore]

45. reading through this thread i realize there's no hope

woe is we!
(i watched the 911 show with avid interest, and knew at the time it was an fx movie-i was glad they never said it was the 1st nations did it, or the 'black panther revenge' or the poor hapless arabs....oh yeah, nevermind that last- but the point is 911 was part of coup d'etat, the overthrow of legal gov authority by a well organised element of the government. That happened in Nov/00 and on Dec12/00 when bush activists/agents in the judiciary defied the law and handed power to a criminal organization. Fukk bill maher. And fukk the goofs who use a busybody like maher to bring the public interest into more disrepute. 911 was a show, like the shootdown of KAL 007 or the murder of JFK was. And the silver lining in the entire bushevik drama is this- the losers are the assholes who get away with taking the candy from the overgrown kid.)
Hunter Thompson killed hisself cuz of bill maher/tweet mathews/heraldo/oj simpson, and their role as global statesmen, upholding godly behavior, the only kind that's tolerated, or you're fukking dead

[eallen]

56. That is a baseless insult to Hunter Thompson.

There is absolutely no reason to think that Hunter Thompson did or would kill himself because of the nonsense you claim. Everything I have read says he killed himself because he was suffering deteriorating medical conditions. Rational 'till the last.

:hippie:

[pretzel4gore]

135. he spent his whole life fighting the bushies...

Of course Hunter did it for personal reasons-he isn't a suicide bomber after all. And he coulda set bush etc just up by saying 'they after me, folks, i am doomed!' then using the gun next day, but he was ultimately a patriot, and a decent man, and deceit of any kind he probably abhored. But a man who so clearly spoke for vast numbers of the voiceless, the young and eccentric (lefties) must have been horrified by the quiet relentless rightwing assumption of power that we've seen, and the bovine indifference that makes the brutal dictators like bush possible. The nazipoohs chuckle that we lost Hunter Thompson and his wicked pigsticker; but them punks can go to hell....Hunter lives as far as I'm concerned, and he would despise bill maher, tweety, oj simpson and the rest on the principle that them goofs have no principles....maher lost his idiot show because mr pig was annoyed-and instead of going after mr pig with all his fame, billy maher gave in, and even poohpoohed those who dare doubt the bs that mr pig says is truth when bill himself constantly notes that mr pig is a pathological liar....

[eallen]

139. Maybe. Thompson gave some props to Bill Maher, when he was fired...

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2002/09/03/1446451.php

I don't know Thompson's opinion of Maher otherwise.

:hippie:

[Perry Logan]

47. Many Truthers think this sort of behavior is cool.

I live in Austin, Texas--a wonderful city, suffering from the presence of too many Truthers. Alex Jones lives here, as do several other prominent conspiracy guys. Austin has been called the conspiracy capital of the world. There's a whole BOOKSTORE here devoted to conspiracy stuff.

So I know all about the Truthers' fondness for disrupting things. Alex once bullhorned a group of women who were peacefully protesting for gun control--and obviously thought he was brilliant for doing so.

Many of our local Truthers (or members of the closely-related Patriot Movement) like to go to public event at the University of Texas and raise a ruckus. They tape it and put it on their local cable access shows. They clearly have no idea how obnoxious it looks to most people. If the 9/11 Truth Movement ever gained traction, the Truthers would soon sabotage it with stunts like this.

[ConfidentialStatus]

100. Oooh conspiracy stuff & agent provocateur do not exist

We can't have truthers disrupting because we have people in our Government holding the criminals accountable, right? How many times do you have to be lied to? Yes it looks obnoxious and I hope they keep doing it. Wake-Up! How many people have to be murdered before you make a stand? How many of our troops have to die because of lies? How many innocent people in Iraq have to die before you say enough? Sept. 18, 2001 still no suspects on the anthrax scare. When are you going to smell something is rotten in Sweden?

That darn second amendment scares the hell out of some people. Take the guns away from law abiding citizens is the answer. Again another violation, why can that be?

USAma bin Laden not wanted for 9/11 according to the FBI. Do I have to go on about Saddam and WMD's? Then you have the people who bring out Cynthia and Cindy as if they are the traitors. This country is so upside down right now and when I read comments like yours that ridcule the people who have more courage then majority of the people on this forum. I find it hard to take anyone serious... where have you been? Sleeping?

That's right something is terribly wrong and I'll wrap it up with some quotes from V.


“What we need right now is a clear message to the people of this country. This message must be read in every newspaper, heard on every radio and and seen on every television. This message must resound throughout the interlink I want this country to realize that we stand on the edge of oblivion. I want every man, woman and child to understand how close we are to chaos. I want everyone to remember why they need us.”

Cruelty and injustice, intollerance and oppression. Where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, now you have censors and systems of survelliance caressing your conformity and seducing your submission. How did this happen? Who is to blame?

“People should not be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people”

[kerstin]

107. Bravo. n/t

[pberq]

160. Great post!

[uberblonde]

48. "Ass kicking is what's called for"???

He reminds me of the kind of short, belligerent asshole who starts fights in bars and then has to have his taller friends step in to protect him. I'll bet he's never kicked anyone's ass by himself.

[The Wizard]

49. It was misdirected anger

Bill was a convenient target for some folks with issues who have no other way to get noticed. Back in 68 the Yippies disrupted the Democratic Convention. Mayor Daley's response to them created a disturbing image, enough so that many people turned away from the Democrats and voted for Nixon.
The candidate who said he would end the war was assassinated, and the Democratic bosses were unclear of what they had in mind. The riots were enough to get us four more years of war under Nixon.
Attacking your allies just to vent some pent up frustration only helps the enemy.

[CGowen]

I think they just didn't like his paxil comments weeks earlier

Run time: 04:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzrUD-5hf1A   Posted on YouTube: October 20, 2007 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: October 20, 2007 By DU Member: CGowen Views on DU: 11925

 
New Rule: Crazy people who still think the government brought down the Twin Towers in a controlled explosion have to stop pretending that I'm the one that's being naïve. How big a lunatic do you have to be to watch two giant airliners packed with jet fuel slam into buildings on live TV igniting a massive inferno that burned for two hours and then think, "Well, if you believe that was the cause?" Stop asking me to raise this ridiculous topic on this show and start asking your doctor if Paxil is right for you.

http://newsbusters.org/node/15658/print

[The Wizard]

57. Maybe the Paxil wore off (nt)

[cooolandrew]

50. It wasn't in the cause of free speech but more drunken disruption. Mostly...

... free speech was the right to speak freely about ones own government than a comedy show. With Mahar being a civilian he isn't going against his own right that protects him from the government than himself.

[subsuelo]

52. title should be Asshole escorts assholes out of audience

[jazzjunkysue]

53. Bill was probably right but it did get the issue discussed. Bravo to them.

But of course he has every right to get them out of there and continue the show.

[Turk 182]

54. missed opportunity

Bill missed a great opportunity here. He should have politely asked security to escort the hecklers out, but "please don't taser them"!

[RestoreGore]

58. He handled it all wrong

And his true self came out. He acted like a freeper actually because this is about a hell of a lot more than Bush who is NO president BTW by any stretch of the imagination. From what was shouted it was about building 7 and the man was holding a sign regarding a 9-11 coverup. He didn't have a weapon and he didn't shout out any threats. He was an agitated citizen looking for a debate. Maher has to realize that he can't say what he said on his show (basically calling all who have different theories about 9-11 nuts) and not be confronted about it, because it simply is not true. There will always be questions. This is also America and people should be allowed to ask questions, especially in a forum where they believe they will be heard and not treated like a piece of garbage as politicians treat us at public events for daring to ask a question.

Had Maher simply stated, sure, I will put a chair beside me and you can sit for five minites and give your point of view calmly if you agree not to disrupt the show any further to show he really has the capacity for debate that isn't one sided, I might have even begun to respect his opinion a bit. But not with the wussy freeper attitude I saw coming out of him. However, I hope he is now happy that he has marginalized a growing part of the population in this country who dares to question an official government story that resulted in NO accountability and a hell of a lot of secrecy about an horrific event that has catapulted us to the abyss. I hope he is now happy that those who dare question authority and look at things with different colored glasses are looked upon as nutscases and "conspiracy theorists." He once again proved what a phony he is.

Oh, and I still have questions regarding inconsistencies surrounding the events of 9.11 and the "official" government story. Is this OP telling me I am an asshole? Wow, how far this Democracy truly has sunk. Never thought I would see Democrats acting like McCarthyites.

[9119495]

64. My neighbor pisses me off. Can I get 5 minutes in the chair next to Maher?

These people aren't much different from Fred Phelps protesting funerals of gay people or members of the armed forces.

Picket the studio while Maher and his audience (listeners--hehe) are arriving. Hang out till they leave and do the same. Hell, enjoy the show even. Ask for a moment of time with him after the show. Is he not a reasonable man? But this was us eating our own again. Okay, not "us" but you get my point.

I didn't have a strong opinion about the 9-11 truth movement before this episode (except to say that when they were lampooned on South Park I figured they were doing something right) but after this incident and the people posting on this thread...

[RestoreGore]

66. He said they were picketing outside...

he probably ignored them out there because he is a coward so they figured the logical next step is to take it inside... who knows. And I hardly think this compares to what that slime Phelps does. Bill Maher's show is not sacred. I say if he is going to make allegations against a group of people as he did on his show he then should face them. I still have questions about 9.11 myself and I assure you I am far from being a nut or an asshole. Again, it appears that people are so afraid of dialogue in this country that it has now made us all into spineless wimps who call people nuts just because we don't want to have to discuss what they are saying... sounds lile Free Republic to me. Perhaps he should then learn to keep the political rheotric down if he is just a comedian.

[mark414]

73. if somebody believes in an idea that you think is totally fucking crazy and out there,

why would you give them a platform to espouse whatever nuttery they're coming up with?

this is a really bad analogy and i'm not trying to compare the two, but, if someone wants to sit there and deny the holocaust would you give them a platform on national television to do it? i agree that someone can believe whatever the hell they want about it, but if i think they're batshit crazy and everything they say flies in the face of cold, hard evidence, i'm definitely not going to "debate" them or give them a soapbox - there are not always two sides to every issue, sometimes there is only one: the right answer.

[RestoreGore]

78. Yes, it's called Democracy

Whether you like it or not. To allow a man to spout ideals you despise in equal time to your own is what Democracy is all about. Amazing that even has to be explained. It doesn't mean you CONDONE the idea, but in America all opinions were once heard... at least in the America I thought I lived in. And yes, the Nazis also thought their answer was the "right answer" as did Stalin and so many others. It's a dangerous slope we slide on when that mindset takes hold in this country... who is the one to determine what is the right answer and what isn't? And in this case, if people accept the government account of 9.11 without any questions (you know, the same one that has lied to us about everything else,) that to me is more dangerous than anyone who dares to ask a question about it.

[mark414]

82. a privately owned and operated television show isn't a public democratic forum

i don't accept the government account of what happened on 9/11

and i don't accept that anybody has a completely unfettered right to "free speech" absolutely anywhere they absolutely choose.

if this guy was on a street corner talking about 9/11 truth, and was hauled away by police or other people, i would be worried.

but he wasn't. he knew exactly what he was doing and he knew exactly what would happen. he could've been shouting anything, "i love you bill! legalize pot! etc. etc. etc." but if he would've done it in the same way he did this it would've been the same end result.

[Drunken Irishman]

106. BINGO!

You can invite someone into your house, but the second you want them gone, THEY NEED TO LEAVE!

When someone comes into my house and disrespects me, taunts me and screams in my living room, I will ask them to leave. If they do not, I will either call the cops, or remove them myself. My living room -- like Maher's show -- is not a place for a public forum.

Call talk radio, go stand on the corner, get a show on community television, but when you disrupt a private show, whose audience is there NOT FOR YOU, BUT FOR THE HOST AND PANEL, don't be surprised when you're kicked out!

I wonder how many here would be cool with someone coming into a Democratic primary debate and standing there shouting Democrats down. Would they allow those protesters to stand there for the entire debate, forcing the candidates to talk over those shouting? I doubt it.

[MalloyLiberal]

70. It's not the guy's show. It's Mahers.Understood?

[RestoreGore]

80. And? I'm still entitled to my opinion. Understood?

[MalloyLiberal]

86. And yer still an ass

[Andy Canuck]

109. Restore Gore I completely agree with you.

[madmunchie]

137. Welcome to the Democratic Party.......If you think that the Democrats are

much more open thinkers than are the Repubs, than welcome to your rude awakening.

It has been totally obvious for years, that you have to fall in lock step with the Dems mentality just as much as you do with the Pubs.

Commenting on Bill though, I was behind him. It is his show, on cable and those people were part of the "audience", not the guests. I as a viewer didn't want to hear a bunch of unintelligible people from the audience interrupting invited guests. It was rude and disruptive. The security should have been on those assholes a lot quicker and Maher had every right to "put his money where his mouth is" and that is try to escort those people out of the building.

People who think Maher was wrong have no manners or consideration for others. They can say whatever they want, but in a forum that doesn't interfere with my right to listen to a show on a private cable channel. I pay extra for HBO and I pay extra partly so that I can watch the Bill Maher show, I don't pay extra to hear a bunch of loudmouths be disruptive.

Whatever Bill believes or doesn't believe about bldg. 7 doesn't enter into the rudeness of the idiots that disrupted the show.

[rAVES]

60. That was a setup...

[MalloyLiberal]

68. No, no, it was real...

[minkyboodle]

72. Illuminati audience plants

to discredit the movement obviously....

[rAVES]

75. what movement? all I could hear was shouting :/

[minkyboodle]

97. I was being snarky

:) It was a 9/11 conspiracy group
doing all the shouting I didn't hear much except
something about WTC 7 and "Don't taze me Bro"

[ClayZ]

85. I agree!

I hope he marches out the actor/protesters next week and they all take a bow!

I loved the, "Checkmate on me," when Garry Kasparov, reminded Bill that Russia has completely government controlled TV.

[Dave From Canada]

62. That was awesome! I'm pissed we don't get him in Canada. "Audience, from latin, meaning to listen"

that was priceless.

[MADem]

94. Well, you get that AIR FARCE Show....and The Hour.

Naaah...it ain't the same. Maher is way better, even on an off night.

I don't see you getting him as long as you've got your current guy in the catbird seat.

[sce56]

63. Here is an idea to help Bill stop this since I'm sure this will not be the last we hear of it

He should invite David Ray Griffith on his show to hear the opponents of the official theory make their case.

[RestoreGore]

67. Sounds fair to me n/t

[MalloyLiberal]

69. Many 9/11 truthers hate David Ray Griffith, too

He would get protested for that, too.

[davidwparker]

127. Why?

[rabies1]

92. He should, but I don't think he wants to give them ANY airtime.

This hour had a lot of wasted time. This drama, and the talking about Ellen D. To keep talking about the subject is insane - why not talk about Paris Hilton or Ms. Spears. This could have been a good show. He had some great guests. This was not an enjoyable hour worth a second viewing. I also hope that Bill gets good bouncers in there in the future. Someone needs to pull hecklers and such from the audience quickly. Too much valuable time was wasted.

[CGowen]

118. Griffin not Griffith, but there are problems in getting a debate partner for him

Nationally syndicated progressive talk show host Thom Hartmann, (Air America), has issued a challenge to those researching 9/11.

He wants a representative from the skeptics of the Government's "Official Conspiracy Theory", the "OCT", and a defender of the OCT, to come on his show at the same time, and debate their positions in a civil manner.

Hartmann tasked his producer approximately 6 months ago to find a well-known defender of the OCT to accept the terms of the debate, and not a single one would. On Friday, June 15, Hartmann renewed his challenge on air, and noted that the problem seems to lay with the OCT defenders, who won't come on the show at the same time as the skeptics, and won't take calls from the public following a few rounds of debate.

http://www.911blogger.com/node/9431

[pberq]

161. Thanks, CGowen - glad to hear Thom has made that challenge

[mark414]

71. that guy could've been saying anything, and it would've been the same result

any cry of free speech here is ridiculous

i could go to a live taping of the 700 club and start yelling out how much i loved jesus and george bush and they'd STILL kick me out.

much ado about nothing, as usual

[sunfluer]

83. Bill Maher

:bounce: All I can say is, "don't mess with Bill".

[ryanmuegge]

88. That was very Axl Rose(esque)

Not good.

[Catherine Vincent]

90. 9/11 assholes?

I wouldn't call them that. But anyways, Sheila Jackson Lee said the most constructive thing throughout this whole interruption. She said she will leave the 1st amendment alone.

[LaStrega]

152. Agreed. Oh, and, um ....

that's Adam Weishaupt on the dollar bill dontchaknow?

Hail Eris!

[CyrusV]

170. They were purposely interrupting a live show.

That sounds pretty asshole-like to me.

[lame54]

96. it's one thing to not endorse 9/11 theories

but why should one believe the official story that was shoved down our throats minutes after the attack happened - we've never asked for real proof(and, so far , not a whole lot has been given)- but since it was the first story told it is the one that most will believe.
any alternate theory has to be crackpot
besides, many don't believe that the bush administration, as bad as they are, could go so low as to murder 3000 people
even though we are all witnesses to the attack on baghdad(shock and awe) which massacred far more than 3000 people

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0Nnph3zkHNw

[MalloyLiberal]

98. I don't give a f what you think!

You do NOT interrupt a live television show!

[ClayZ]

101. Did you see the movie, Network?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew

[Rhiannon12866]

103. K&R. I agree with you. These hysterics were disruptors, just like we get here.

They irritated the hell out of me because I tuned in to hear what the guests had to say (and I thought that they were particularly good, this week), not some disgruntled audience member looking for his two seconds of media attention. You couldn't understand what they were yelling and I don't blame Bill for his reaction. He often has enough to deal with, with his invited guests. But I loved his retort: "You're the audience, which comes from the Latin, which means to listen.":thumbsup:

[lame54]

110. i don't believe that's what

i argued for

but bill maher is forever backing the original story put out on day one
a story put out by the same people who have lied to us about EVERYTHING since day two

[Skip Intro]

102. Oh dear God, whatever you do, don't question what you've been told -

you get dismissed as looney, tin foil hatter, mentally unstable - read some of the responses in this thread...


don't you know the government wouldn't lie? espeically not the government and the media in unison...everything is as you've been told by the powers that be, and gullible sheep-like compliance and the cessation of questioning is demanded. To question is to need to be put away in some asylum, or so I've been told.

[Laurab]

140. I don't believe anything I was told by the government about 9/11

but I also think Bill Maher did the right thing. I was trying to watch his show, and I was annoyed at the interruptions. I don't care whether Maher and I agree - and we don't, on many things, but I like his show. I like the fact that he's one of the few out there who will call this administration out on many things others won't touch.

Those people were just plain rude and annoying, and wasted a lot of time on what could have been a good show. I've read every 9/11 book out there, I'm not sure what happened, but I'm sure it's not what the government told us happened. I also think Maher has a right to disagree, and to decide who he invites on HIS show. Also, to expect the audience to be somewhat polite.

I don't care whose show it is, if people act like that, they're going to get booted, and rightly so.

[CGowen]

144. every book? n/t

[Laurab]

156. Pretty much - every one that appeared to have

actual research done - not the fly-by-night ones. I read a LOT, and was on a 9/11 kick for awhile. I do research the books I read, by reading reviews and customer reviews on Amazon, so if a book was garbage, I didn't buy it, and I didn't buy or read the 9/11 commission report, because I knew it was garbage, but did read the book about the inconsistencies in it.

I still have no idea what actually happened, but I am certain it was not what we were told. I wouldn't even need to read a book to know that - the administration's efforts to block any investigation, and the pResident's actions on that day were enough to convince me something shady was going on.

[LSK]

167. now what on earth is the point in that question???

What could possibly come of it?

[CGowen]

168. The question was answered...n/t

[Andy Canuck]

108. It reminds of my brothers screaming at me to shut up

because I even mentioned the idea of WTC7 and CD, let alone WTC 1 & 2. It is a near impossible thing to consider let alone accept because it means the darkest capabilities of the human animal are true. I don't respect Bill's reaction, he's a comedian and should be used to heckling. It looked to me as much as much of an over reaction as to the tasering in Florida. It isn't about being rude, it's people desperately trying to get a voice out through MSM, and past all the filters. It's the USA, people are supposed to be loud and obnoxious for God's sake. What's happened to you guys?

[davidwparker]

128. you should give your brothers "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" if you

want to understand what this government will do.

[L0oniX]

133. It a damn tv talk show ...not a debate class for the audience. I'd kick the fucks out

for disrupting the show. If they want to promote the 911 conspiracy theory then let them get their own tv show.

[pberq]

162. You mean as a opposed to those who promote the

official conspiracy theory - which has not been proven by any stretch of the imagination?

[maximusveritas]

149. I've always thought that show should do away with an audience

It lowers the quality of the discussion when the panelists are just trying to find witty one-liners to please the crowd rather than actually get into the meat of a topic.

[calteacherguy]

150. Whether far left or far right, nutcases all! nt

[jgraz]

151. Hah...that was great

I'm a huge Bill Maher fan, but he used his show to piss on a large part of his audience. Now they used his show to piss back. Good for them.

[Synnical]

155. "The problem with live audiences", "ass kicking is called for"

Sheesh. Bill, that was just out of line. Without a live audience, you wouldn't even be on the air. Rather surprised the Sheila didn't take Bill on, but that was only a clip. I don't get HBO.

[Buzz Clik]

169. No. Not at all. Civil disobedience comes with consequences.

Getting your ass kicked is one of those consequences.

[Synnical]

171. Non Violent Civil Disobedience should not have such consequences

So sad you agree.