GOP self pity

[Swede]

Run time: 00:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWlk81LuDvg   Posted on YouTube: November 16, 2006 By YouTube Member: srstanard Views on YouTube: 1300   Posted on DU: December 02, 2006 By DU Member: Swede Views on DU: 3411

 

[byronius]

1. First to recommend. Quite Nice. Thank You.

What's the source?

[Swede]

3. Not sure of the source.

Here's the youtube linke. http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Gop+self+pity&search=Search

[IntravenousDemilo]

19. It's one of the latest Macintosh commercials with Justin Long and The Daily Show's John Hodgman.

And very cleverly redubbed it is, too.

Recommended, because I'm a MacUser.

[Olney Blue]

2. No more kick-backs, no more starting wars.....

[silverweb]

4. LOL

Well done.

:D

[bleever]

5. Comedy gold.

:thumbsup:

[Nomad559]

6. Someone

should tell the creator of this video that Apple has much more In common with the GOP than Windows.

:)

[Maven]

7. Right. That's why Microsoft has Ralph Reed on the payroll.

:eyes:

[Nomad559]

8. Wrong

Microsoft "had" Ralph Reed on the payroll for a short time.

The fact's are that Apple has given more donations to RePUGlicans, Apple has In the past lobbied against state e-waste recycling legislation, and Apple uses slave labor In China to build all of the iPods, iPhones and computers.


And here are some quotes from a few Apple employees from this survey.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=974

But the opportunities for advancement were not that great, the employee said. "There were a lot of communications problems. Micro management to the extreme. I had six different supervisors that did not communicate together and gave me six different answers."

Another employee remarked on the lack of consumer focus in the workplace.

"There is a definite lack of emphasis on customers," said the employee, who holds a senior management position. The employee wrote that there is "a significant fear factor perpetuated of the CEO" by "empire building dinosaurs who operate in antiquated modes and only promote their favorites." The same employee said it's a company policy "not to take notes in meetings," which can make it "quite daunting" to try to operate under such "impossible circumstances."

Meanwhile, a product manager stationed at Apple's home-base in Cupertino sums up Apple as the average conservative company, which works its employees "to the bone" without enough compensation. "When I started it felt like Apple knew my name and what I did," the employee wrote, "but now am nothing more than employee XXX."

These sentiments were echoed by several employees responding to questions on salary and incentives. While those employees higher up in Apple's corporate hierarchy seemed pleased or content with their pay, a significant number of other employees complained about a lack of bonuses, raises, and stock options. Said one Apple product manager, "$59k a year with a 60 hour work week minimum. No bonuses. No stock options. No cell phone expense. Not what I would consider industry standard."

:)

[silverweb]

9. I don't know where you get your "facts"...

...but Buy Blue disagrees with you and I'm more inclined to believe their research:

http://www.buyblue.org/node/251/view/summary

http://www.buyblue.org/node/1526/view/summary

[Nomad559]

10. I get my facts from reliable sources

The Info on Buyblue Is not correct
That $78,250 to Democrats Is not from Apple corp, most of It is from Steve Jobs and his wife.

The $0 to Republicans
Not true, see this link ... http://cal-access.ss.ca.gov/Campaign/Committees/Detail.aspx?id=1012686&view=contributions&session=2003

Buyblue has refused to correct these errors, why?

:)

[silverweb]

11. Minimal $$$ to reTHUGs.

Contributions to the California GOP and Dick Ackerman totalled a whopping $8500. Big deal. It never hurts to throw a few crumbs to the other side, especially if it looks like they're going to win anyway. The other candidates Apple contributed to -- Westly, Machado, and Simitian -- were all Dems, and Jobs's personal contributions to Dems certainly count, as well.

I don't know about BuyBlue "refusing" to make changes or corrections; for all I know, they may have just not gotten around to updating the information yet.

You sound like you're trying to make Apple out to be a big GOP supporter, when they're obviously not. Why?

[Nomad559]

:-)

Run time: 00:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWlk81LuDvg   Posted on YouTube: November 16, 2006 By YouTube Member: srstanard Views on YouTube: 1300   Posted on DU: December 02, 2006 By DU Member: Nomad559 Views on DU: 3411

 

[Nomad559]

13. Steve Jobs Is not "Apple corp"

Was Apple blue when Steve Jobs left Apple a few years ago?
Will Apple be blue when Steve Jobs leaves Apple In the near future?

And why do you Ignore all of the other facts about Apple?
e-waste recycling legislation
slave labor In China
Apple survey

:)

[silverweb]

16. I'm not ignoring anything.

And I never said Apple is a perfect company and I don't believe any company that's publicly traded can be perfect. However, I get the distinct impression that you're just out to demonize Apple and I don't get it.

Microsoft is definitely a "red" company and has a much worse track record on labor, environmental, and ethical issues, so your beef with Apple looks pretty personal to me. Do you have a personal axe to grind with Apple?

[Nomad559]

18. So now

I am demonizing Apple because I posted some "FACTS" about Apple.

You say that Microsoft has a much worse track record than Apple, on labor, environmental, and ethical issues.
Really, I did not know this, show me the data you have to prove this, I would like to see It.

Do I have a personal axe to grind with Apple?
Yes, Apple Is a conservative company that uses slave labor In China
Apple Corp. has given more donations to RePUGlicans

What's to like about Apple Corp.?

But having said that, you will be happy to know that most Apple employees are BLUE.

Support The Troops ... Not The President

:)

[silverweb]

21. Pobody's nerfect.

I've read quite a bit over a long period of time about both companies, enough to inform my opinions, but I haven't kept a bibliography for your reference. Beyond that, as I said, no corporation is without sin -- but from what I've read, Apple seems to have cleaner hands than many despite its faults.

[Nomad559]

23. Apple seems to have cleaner hands

Sorry, but If you are unable to back-up your biased opinions without providing any facts, your opinion means nothing to me.

:)

[silverweb]

24. Back atcha.

So I guess we're even.

:eyes:

[Nomad559]

25. How are we even?

My opinions are based on the facts that I have provided, you offer no facts, just your biased opinions.

You need to deal with the fact that Apple Is just another RED company, I have.

:eyes:

[IntravenousDemilo]

38. His pa was brained by an apple. Had pa fallen through some windows, Nomad would hate those instead.

[silverweb]

39. LOL

It's all clear now. Thanks! :D

[Nomad559]

41. So I am to assume

you hate Windows because you fell out of a Window?

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

43. No, because I'm not you.

However, I've felt like defenestrating my work PC many times. They frown on that at my job, though.

[Nomad559]

45. Would It help

If I contacted your place of employment, and asked them to give you some Instructions on how to operate a PC properly?

I'm just being humorous with you again.

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

47. Nah...

...not if you want to email them, because their PCs probably aren't working either. When we crash, we crash together. It may be a server problem, or it could be because all our computers are from Dell, maker of quality mouse-pads.

[Maven]

12. Wow. What utter disregard for the truth.

Apple is a 98% blue company. Why don't you look into the political contributions of Steve Ballmer (aka Monkeyboy)?

Why do you support a company that uses market power and illegal activity to push better products out of the market? That has set the tech world back several years and countless millions in lost productivity and laughable security standards? Microsoft needs an entire industry of "certified" engineers just to hold up its dilapidated house of cards.

The fact is, MS has a vested interest in promoting pro-corporate, anti-consumer (i.e., right-leaning) politicians and judges. They can't compete on the basis of quality--so their only means of survival is maintaining their market power, at any cost.

And the selective quotations you posted were from an article citing mixed reactions by Apple employees, many of which were positive:

"It was like working for something very special - the spirit was in everyone of us - the jobs differed from one day to the next and this made and makes it still exciting," said one employee who works for the company in Munich, Germany. Another employee, based in Sacremento, said, "A totally awesome team of people working in the Sacramento complex. Everyone is respectful, intelligent, and good at executing. Diversity and dress code are the best parts of the company culture, as well as the emotional energy around the product that drives everyone."

Notwithstanding the opinions of a few disgruntled employees (EVERY company has a few), the fact is most people get hired by (and go to work for) Apple because they live and breathe the company. They love what it stands for, and they're inspired by its products. No one is inspired by Microsoft--which, by the way, is *known* for its suffocating corporate culture. Not surprisingly, tales of MS employee woe are ubiquitous on the Internets.

[Nomad559]

14. When did I say I supported Windows?

Do you know what a fanboy Is?

Here Is the definition of a fanboy from Wikipedia ... Fanboys are utterly devoted to a single point of view within that subject, to the point where it is considered an obsession. Fanboys remain loyal to their particular obsession, disregarding any factors that differ from their point of view. They are also typically hateful to the opposing brand or competition of their obsession regardless of its merits or achievements.

:)

[Maven]

15. Please, it's obvious.

You're the one who threw in an anti-Apple, pro-MS comment on a thread that had absolutely nothing to do with it. Projecting much? :hi:

[Nomad559]

17. Oh please

I made a comment on a video based on a stupid "Apple commercial", and you go on a crazy rant about Windows.

Like It or not, I am entitled to my opinion, and my opinions are based on facts.

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

29. Everyone's opinions are based on facts.

At least that's what "everyone" says.

[Nomad559]

31. My opinions

are supported by the facts that I have provided here on this thread.

And others have given biased opinions that are not supported by any facts.

:)

[Maven]

34. You've provided no "facts" whatsoever

Just selective information to back up your totally misguided opinions.

I could fill up a whole thread with information about why Windows is a third-rate copycat OS and MS is a socially, economically and politically irresponsible company. Frankly, it's already common knowledge.

P.S. I used to build PCs and was an anti-Mac zealot like you back in the day. My guess is that fixing MS's shoddy, poorly designed software on clunky, poorly designed hardware is your bread and butter. Everyone has to make a living. :)

[Nomad559]

35. And here you go again

going on a rant about Windows, see post 14.

I provided no "facts" ... Is that so, see post 8, 10, 22, and 27

If you can disprove the facts I posted about Apple and Steve Jobs, do so.

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

20. And yet...

Bill Gates supports the Republicans, while Steve Jobs supports the Democrats.

[Nomad559]

22. Steve Jobs Is a great guy

NOT ... Steve Jobs, the guy who Is currently In trouble with the stock options debacle.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=15500
Apple executives are hiring lawyers as the company's stock options debacle continues.

The news emerges as Apple CEO Steve Jobs faces further enquiries following revelations that two senior executives at his one-time other company, Pixar, were also granted share options in a way that maximised their value.



Shareholders Sue Apple Over Stock Options
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/06/technology/06soft.html?ex=1238558400&en=a02e636bde4b87f8&ei=5035&partner=MARKETWATCH

Apple Computer said yesterday that its executives were being sued by shareholders because of the company's announcement last week that it might have manipulated stock option grants.

Two lawsuits filed in California make claims against current and former executives and directors as to how the company awarded the grants, Apple, based in Cupertino, Calif., said in a statement. Apple said it was evaluating its response to the lawsuits.



Steve Jobs ... the guy that cheated his friend Steve Wozniak out of thousands of dollars on the Atari deal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs

He returned to his previous job at Atari and was given the task of creating a circuit board for the game Breakout. According to Atari Founder Nolan Bushnell, Atari had offered $100 for each chip that was reduced in the machine. Jobs had little interest or knowledge in circuit board design and made a deal with Wozniak to split the bonus evenly between them if Wozniak could minimize the number of chips. Much to the amazement of Atari, Wozniak reduced the number of chips by 50, a design so tight that it was impossible to reproduce on an assembly line. At the time, Jobs told Wozniak that Atari had only given them $700 (instead of the actual $5000) and that Wozniak's share was thus $350.


It seems Steve Jobs doesn't behave like a good liberal

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

26. Interesting. I know someone who treated me much the same way, but that's another story.

Just to get back on the OP topic, I think that one implication of the YouTube clip is that the Democrats will make better policy than the Reptilicans, just as Apple makes computers that are superior to mere PCs.

[Nomad559]

27. Apple computers are superior to mere PCs.

Oh really, just a year ago when some PowerBook users up-dated their systems to 10.3.9, 10.4.0, and 10.4.1, they lost the lower ram slot.

Has a software/firmware up-date from a PC manufacturer ever damaged the hardware?


Mac OS X updates disable or damage PowerBooks?
http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/28/mac-os-x-updates-disable-and-or-damage-powerbook-memory-hardware

Read some of the Reader Comments, this up-date effected a lot of people.

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

28. It takes a big man to admit that.

I didn't have any trouble on my G4 Powerbook when I switched over. I quite like OSX.

Arguing about platforms is a little like arguing about religion, ain't it? :)

[Nomad559]

30. I am not arguing

I just pointed out your error, Apple computers are NOT superior to mere PCs.

And I don't argue about religion, I am an Atheist.

:)

[Maven]

33. Nah...you don't have an agenda.

:eyes:

[Nomad559]

36. I do have an agenda

And that Is to offer the truth about Apple Corp, even when others choose to Ignore the truth.

:eyes:

[IntravenousDemilo]

37. I know you're not really a humour-challenged ninny, so please don't act like one.

When I said that arguing about platforms is like arguing about religion, I meant that both have their partisans who are absolutely convinced that they're right and that their platform is the One True Platform/Religion, and neither side will budge, so the question is unresolvable, much like religion. I was speaking metaphorically (even if I used a simile).

That said, I have never once had trouble with any of my Macs, ever since I got my first MacPlus over a decade ago. On the other hand, the PCs I've used at work have crashed and frozen on numerous occasions. I realize this is anecdotal, but so much for my supposed "error".

[Nomad559]

40. So you think that

Apple computers are superior to "mere PCs" only because of your own personal experiences with PCs and Macs.

By that reasoning, I suppose when a freeper tells me that George W Bush Is the greatest pRESident ever, I should just take his/her word for It. I guess I should just Ignore all the facts that Indicate that George W Bush Is an Idiot.

And If you are looking for a humour-challenged ninny on this thread, you only need to look Into a mirror.

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

42. Bush has caused problems, as have the PCs I've used. It's a perfectly good correlation.

Did I call you a humour-challenged ninny? No. Look a bit more closely at my previous post.

Nevertheless, you have just called me one. I hope this nuance is not lost on you.

[Nomad559]

44. You accused me of

"acting" like a humour-challenged ninny, and I replied with "If you are looking for a humour-challenged ninny" you only need to look Into a mirror.

It just seemed to me that the humor on this thread was going over your head.

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

46. ACTING like a humour-challenged ninny is not the same thing as BEING a humour-challenged ninny.

I'm calling you out for something I think you are doing -- a behaviour I think is beneath you -- whereas you're calling me out for something you think I am. Do you see the difference?

And I don't quite see how the humour is going over my head, since I was the one making it.

[Nomad559]

48. I see

Shilling for Apple Is humor for you.

:shrug:

[IntravenousDemilo]

49. I see

You're just acting like a twit on purpose, for effect. You didn't address the other point, likely because you understand it, know I'm right, and are ashamed for directly insulting my person.

And I'm not shilling for Apple. That would presuppose that I have some vested, monetary interest in the company, like Apple stock or something, which is just stupid. I just happen to think that Apple makes a superior machine, one that has given me far less trouble than any of the PCs I've used, and one whose software suits me in my musical career than any PC musical software ever could, since PCs are the standard for bankers, corporate executives and the like, while Macs are for artists, musicians, writers, and other worthwhile, creative people. Whether or not Steve Jobs has treated other people shabbily doesn't change that fact. Case closed.

[Nomad559]

50. You first

"attempted" to Insult me by accusing me of acting like a humor-challenged ninny, I just suggested that you only need to look Into a mirror If you are looking for a humor-challenged ninny on this thread.

Because from my viewpoint, It has been "you" that has been acting like a humor-challenged ninny. And now you accuse me of acting like a twit!

So Mac users are worthwhile, creative people!
From my observations, my viewpoint of a typical Mac user Is a smug, arrogant, Insecure, hateful ... See post 14

Do you know what's really sad, all I did was post a comment on a video based on a stupid Apple commercial ... and for that, I get Involved In a pissing contest with some Insecure Apple fanboys.

Don't you people have anything better to do?

But what was I to do? ... Ignore you.

Good luck with that musical career, I suspect you will need all the luck you can get.

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

51. Ah, you just don't get it at all.

You don't understand the difference between what people do and what they are. I would have expected more nuanced, less black-and-white thinking from a fellow atheist. But that's your problem.

You obviously have a bug up your ass regarding Apple products. That is also your problem.

Sorry about the typo; I meant twat.

Love your website, though.

[Nomad559]

52. More Spin

I never said "I personally" had a problem with Apple products, I just pointed out the fact that Apple products do have flaws, I pointed this out to you after you made the claim that Apple computers are superior to mere PCs.

Everything I posted about Apple Is true, and are supported by the facts that I have posted here on this thread.

You have offered nothing to prove your own biased opinions about Apple, a fact you continue to Ignore

You are obviously to busy shilling for Apple to understand my "black-and-white" thinking, my apologies for not being able to bring It down to your level of understanding.

And once again, see post 14.

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

53. Do you know what "shilling" means?

According to Wikipedia: "A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services who pretends no association to the seller and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage other potential customers unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services. Shills are often employed by confidence artists."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shill

I don't work for Apple, nor are they confidence artists. They make a good product, pure and simple. I have never gone wrong Macintosh, never crashed, never had a virus. I'm not impressed that they got rid of floppy drives a few generations ago, but other than that, they're wonderful and versatile. I'm what you call a very satisfied customer. Not so with PCs. And unless you don't want to, you'll note that I said earlier that my evidence is anecdotal.

[Nomad559]

54. OK

You are obviously to busy "praising" Apple to understand my "black-and-white" thinking, Is that to your level of understanding?

And once again, see post 14

And once again, everything I posted about Apple Is true, and are supported by the facts that I have posted here on this thread, a fact you continue to Ignore.

And once again, you have offered nothing to prove your own biased opinions about Apple, a fact you continue to Ignore.

Do I really need to repeat myself over and over with you?

And once again, It's really sad that this pissing contest was started because of a comment I made on a video based on a stupid Apple commercial.

Like It or not, I am entitled to my opinion.

Why are Apple people so anti-choice?

:)

[IntravenousDemilo]

55. OK, indeed

You are entitled to your opinion. I'll let it go at that.

And again, kudos for your fine website on atheists. I think I've visited it once before, and it must have remained in my memory.

[Nomad559]

56. Actually

The "Celebrity Atheist list" Is not my website, although I have contributed several names to the list, a guy named Reed started the list several years ago.


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[Up2Late]

32. Great, that's the first one of those stupid Mac ads I actually like.

Yes, I said it, those Mac ads Suck and are full of lies.