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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:18 AM
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Hillary Clinton borrows a few lines
 
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Not that I care she borrowed lines tonight, but since she made such a big fuss over it...
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Captain Angry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:37 AM
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1. We need a debate on PBS
No live audience.

Issue.
Issue.
Issue.

If either candidate gets "snippy" at the other candidate, their microphone is disabled for 60 seconds.

I can't stand watching debates where one candidate makes comments about the person sitting right next to them as if that person is out in space or something. It's juvenile.


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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:38 AM
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2. Thanks, let's keep this thing alive, like they did.
I emailed Morning Joe about it, but they prefer to be in lala land about her being gracious, and holding back, for God's sake. :puke:


All they want to do it embrace St. McLame.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:14 AM
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3. Morning Joe showed the wrong Edwards video...
They showed his dropping out speech in LA.....in where he said something close, but not what he said in the debate footage in this video. Then the Morning Joe Crew determined that it wasn't the same Edwards lines....since they played the wrong video.

But it is the same lines....and they need to receive this Youtube link...
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:26 AM
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4. Sure, rake HER over the coals while ignoring the same from Obama:
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 07:27 AM by AlertLurker
Makes perfect sense. Obama's entire campaign is "borrowed:"



"We are the party of Lyndon Johnson and the Great Society. We are the party of John F. Kennedy and the New Frontier. We are the party of FDR and the New Deal. We are the party of the people. We are the party whose president faced a broken nation--a nation of people without jobs, without homes, without health care, without retirement security--and he exhorted our people to have courage. Seventy years ago, FDR stood before a fearful nation and said, We have nothing to fear but fear itself. And he ignited a nation to reaching its promise and that brought almost a hundred new Democrats into the House. It enabled a sweeping mandate to bring deep, transformational change to our social, our political, and our economic structures.

It remade a government of the people and for the people. That kind of change is needed today. We can empower a new beginning.

Democrats, I remind you that we have nothing to fear but fear itself. We need a new faith in America and in ourselves. Faith that we can change the present condition; faith that we can change the outcome; faith that we can regain the confidence, the optimism, the whole world has identified with America; faith that it is the Democratic party that can once again lead the way to a better day, to a better America, to a better world.

Democrats, Democrats can move this country forward from a condition where of 8 million people out of work to a full employment economy with a living wage for all. If you believe our party can do that, let us tell this nation yes we can. (scattered response "Yes we can.").

...

Democrats can move this country forward from 40 million people without health insurance to a single payer system which provides quality health care for all. Do you believe we can do that? .

Yes we can. Si se puede.

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making education our top funding priority and providing free college education for all. Do you believe we can do that? .

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by multinational corporate interests; where we can demonstrate that environmental protection is our path to sustaining the life of the planet. Do you believe we can do this as a party? .

Yes we can. Si se puede.


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http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/dnc0203/kucin022203spt.html
Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich
Democratic National Committee Winter Meeting
Washington, DC
February 22, 2003
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:48 AM
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5. Nope, not at all and it's not surprising you miss the point.
I don't think anyone of us believe this to be an issue. We're just showing Clinton's hypocrisy! She slams him in the debate, essentially saying he doesn't have an original thought and then her most significant statement at the end is strikingly similar to Edwards' final moment in the NH debate and a Bill Clinton speech in 1992.
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AlertLurker Donating Member (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:28 PM
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6. I got the point, and I agree. Hillary should not get a walk, either.
Obama, however, is running his entire campaign on being this incredible TRANSFORMATIONAL candidate: The candidate for CHANGE, and HOPE, and INTGRITY. He's running on his rhetoric, and his rhetoric is stolen.

He's a sham, and he's full of shit.

Look, I'm not saying that Hillary isn't full of shit (she is) either, but she's not running on the same message as he is - she is running as "Experienced, ready on day one, solutions." Granted, the wheels falling off of her campaign, so early, do not say much for her application of THOSE qualities, either, but at least they are HERS.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:16 PM
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7. haha, ok.
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 02:29 PM by Drunken Irishman
His rhetoric is no more stolen than any candidate who has run on the change card before him. In fact, a vast majority of what Obama has said over the year has turned out to be his own words, but that's not good enough, because a few lines (we're not talking speeches here), are similar to that of another candidate. So damn him for it. Well I hate to tell you, but no candidate can ever run a campaign without borrowing something from someone else. But if you believe he's full of shit, so be it.

Hillary may not be running on these issues, but she is running on experience and leadership and I do believe it shows a lack of leadership to accuse someone of something you're doing. But that's what she does best, so why should I be surprised?
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