CNN picks up on Hillary's plagiarism

[Hope And Change]

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[maddiejoan]

1. similar sentiments

is not an aspect of plagiarizing.

Lifting an entire campaign strategy along with paragraphs of text isn't either --but it is suspect in someone who claims to be a new and original voice. A visionary.

Is Obama really a true visionary --or is he simply a manufactured bit of advertising ala David Axelrod?

[golddigger]

3. "Is Obama really a true visionary"= NO! He is simply a

manufactured bit of advertising ala David Axelrod = YES!

[Buzz Clik]

7. Was that an homage to maddiejoan, or simply plagiarism?

You said exactly what she said with many of the same words.

(Not to worry -- Hillary is guilty of the same level of hypocrisy)

[janetblond]

25. Obama = a true Visionary!

Who is David Axelrod?
Did he graduate Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law like Obama?
Was he President of the Harvard Law Review?
Was he also a Constitutional Law Professor?

[Dems Will Win]

4. This has got to be your weakest post ever

[maddiejoan]

13. Touched a nerve?

:shrug:

[jgraz]

6. THIS is why people are calling for your candidate to drop out

If Hillary and her supporters could still make a positive case for her nomination, few would care if she hung around through Texas and Ohio. But when all you have left is flinging shit on our presumptive nominee, it's best for all y'all to pick up your marbles and go home.

[maddiejoan]

12. I was responding to the OP's accusation.

The fact that you don't like my answer is why Hillary should drop out?

uhm


okay.

[jgraz]

17. Yes, I don't like your answer.

Hillary has pushed this bullshit issue and deserves all the brickbats she gets. The longer she stays in this race, the more destructive she becomes.

[maddiejoan]

18. From your POV maybe.

which at this point --doesn't particularly impress me.

[fenriswolf]

30. "yes we shall"

[Buzz Clik]

2. "Everybody is lifting lines from everybody else. Does anybody really care?" "No."

And that is that.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

5. Well no one should care

But Hillary had to go and make it an issue. Can you really trust someone that calls out someone for "plagiarizing" then 10 minutes later does the same thing twice. I know this is someone I don't want talking with world leaders. I think it says something about her ethics. Or her hubris that she could get away with something she accuses her opponent of doing.

[mkultra]

8. hypocrasy is not something hillary wants to address

its one of her weak points and they will avoid it as much as possible.

If Barack wanted to go after her in the same way that she does, we would attack here honesty.

[Sonnenschein]

10. Hillary does not base her campaign on being "inspirational speaker" either.

[Buzz Clik]

14. Nor should she. Neither should she assume that Obama's only appeal is his ability to speak.

She'd be wrong.

[niceypoo]

9. This is the stupidest, most shallow, issue in campaign history

Seriously

[DemzRock]

11. The reason Obama's plagerism is an issue is because almost all he has is his beautiful rhetoric.

The reason Obama's plagerism is an issue is because almost all he has is his beautiful rhetoric. If he steals lines constantly, then one wonders if he really believes his lovely speeches. I want results myself. And the supposed boo was tiny and I'm not even sure it was directed at Hillary. It happened when Obama was responding not when Hillary made her comment. Still I will vote for any Dem over McCain.

[Buzz Clik]

15. If Obama's only attribute is "beautiful rhetoric", you'd be better off voting for McCain or anyone!

If you disagree with his policy stands, that's fine. If you disagree with his approach to Iraq or other issues of state, that's fine, too.

However, to state that his single attribute is his ability to speak means that you simply aren't paying attention. That is not Obama's problem. I suggest you start truly listening and begin discussing the issues rather than superficialities.

[DemzRock]

22. That's the problem...

His words ring hollow to me. They seem like platitudes. But I am less effected by emotion than others, and I am a mega-skeptic. I don't trust any politician. I've seen too many lies. I will vote for Clinton or Obama, and I truly believe Obama would be much better than McCain, but, mark my words. If he gets elected President, you will not see us leave Iraq completely. He will be much more corporate than you think. Many of lovely eloquent promises will not come to fruition.

I hope I am wrong, but I seriously think it's the way things will play out if he gets in.

But again, I will vote for him over McCain any day!

[earthlover]

19. plagerism ?

plagiarism means using someone else's ideas without authorization. Look up the definition in dictionary.com Obama had authorization.

Obama's line about the "silly season" knocked it out of the park!

[Buzz Clik]

21. "Obama's line about the "silly season" knocked it out of the park!" ... only for the reasonable.

If you're convinced that Obama is simply a pretty voice, then logic has no value.

[DemzRock]

23. LOL! "silly season"? That's a common term, no? n/t

[rch35]

27. one thing

theres no way the boo was directed at Obama

it started several seconds before he began speaking and started dying down as soon as he began

[mucifer]

16. I wonder if Ghandi sued Martin Luther King for stealing his ideas?

Because you know it was a bad example for the children.

I don't mean to be rude but this plagiarism thing is really silly.

[earthlover]

20. Thomas Jefferson "borrowed" ideas and phrases for the Declaration of Independence

I guess these were just words....

[janetblond]

24. Hillary's "silliness" ...

Commentator referred to Hillary's "silliness" ...
She IS being petty and childish.
Deval Patrick is a friend of Obama's. They talk all the time.
Patrick told Obama ... "here's what words are about ... blah blah blah"..
They're friends! They talk to eachother. He paraphrased his words. SO WHAT!!
Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law.
I'm sure he can think up any lines he'd like.
GROW UP, HILLARY! Your jealousy is showing!

[RazBerryBeret]

26. not to mention...

title of her book "it takes a village" borrowed, and she made money off it.

and twice now I've heard her say..."less hat and more cattle" not original, used for a Texas Laugh, but for her advantage.
when you call out these ethical standards, you should abide by them yourself.

[k8conant]

28. she paid Barbara Feinman to write the book...

and claimed she wrote it herself--longhand, no less!

[polmaven]

29. "less hat and more cattle"...

You say you have heard her say that twice....did you also hear her say..."as they say in Texas...." ?

[pacalo]

31. Plagiarism can apply to platitudes used in political campaigning?

[readytoblowagasket]

32. sorry, but this is a silly thread

Hillary got a standing ovation last night. The audience apparently thought she was great. That's because her anecdote about the wounded vets was vivid and riveting. She mesmerized the crowd. So while she did recycle Bill's line about "the hits I've taken," she reconceptualized it to her own experience, and therefore made it hers. Not to mention, it's much more poignant when Hillary says it in 2008 than when Bill said it in 1992.

As for the John Edwards echo, again, she made it hers.

Obama did not plagiarize nearly as competently as Hillary did. Deval Patrick's original speeches were much better than Obama's abbreviated regurgitations.

Moral of the story is: If you're going to plagiarize, make it better than the original. Or, as Richard Posner said:

The harm is not to the reader but to those writers whose work does not glitter with stolen gold.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200204/posner