Bible study more important than doing job, says senior Bush appointee

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Bible study more important than doing job, says senior Bush appointee



In the commercial, Undersecretary for Benefits in the Department of Veterans Affairs Dan Cooper says his Bible study is more important than doing his job.
COOPER: It's not a matter of carving out time, it really is a matter of saying what is important. Because that's more important than doing the job. The job's going to be there whether I'm there or not.
What is Cooper's job? Well, according to Cooper's official Veterans Administration biography:
As Under Secretary, he directs the Veterans Benefits Administration through regional offices in 50 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines. He is responsible for the administration of benefits provided by the Department to veterans and dependents, including compensation, pension, education, home loan guaranty, vocational rehabilitation, and life insurance.
So, nothing crucial, compared to Bible study.
Background: Yesterday, the Washington Post reported that four generals and three colonels appeared in the Christian Embassy video in uniform, in violation of Defense Department rules. It's not clear whether the filmmakers got permission to shoot inside the Pentagon in the first place.

http://majikthise.typepad.com/majikthise_/2006/12/the_aroma_of_je.html

[rodeodance]

1. He is like Bush----he deligates

[katsy]

2. just great... a nation of priests

no wonder real jobs are leaving the country.

This nation is being run by priest wannabes.

[whistle]

7. Wait until these priests begin making human sacrifices to appease

....the wrath of their God!

There appears to be a cult of brainwashing going on among the participants in the video. First qualification is to say they are Christian, but then they must demonstrate their faith openly and continuously, which of course means that the job responsibilities which they are given and expected to do become secondary. So this has become a cult of religious government.

[katsy]

19. Add to that...

the dumbing down of Americans who question nothing and this nation is in real trouble.

[intaglio]

26. They already are ...

Iraq, Afghanistan, discarded foetuses, discarded veterans, shoot first laws

[RobertSeattle]

3. Jesus Christ...God of War

Oh brother.

[havocmom]

4. More examples of the American Taliban

Like the Air Force general, sitting on the Joint Chiefs, who puts god above country.

God above country is fine, but don't take a job protecting the latter if that is the order you keep, general. And don't take oaths to uphold the Constitution if your aim is really to push your own personal religious beliefs down the throats of junior officers, cadets and masses of people in other nations.

Note to those in Public Service in America:
Enough of the religious zealots screaming, chanting, usurping power in America. Pray in private, like your Lord and Savior suggested, and render unto Cesar what is Cesar's. Leave religious dogma outside the office if you work for We The People! Oh, and use skill, talent, resources to do the job. If you have to pray for help at work to get through the day, you might be in over your head.

edit: typos

[MrPrax]

8. Unfair comparison...

Devout Muslims pray only 5 times a day with a clear understanding of a politicians' secular and religious role refined over many many centuries.

Your Taliban are 24/7 and divinely inspired by frequent conversations with Jesus in a modern political movement -- huge fucking difference...

[havocmom]

10. Do you consider Taliban representative of all devout Muslims or zealots?

To my old eyes, they are the latter and NOT representative. My comparison stands

Zealots, blinded by dogma are dangerous, no matter how they pray/prey

edited for clarity

[MrPrax]

13. Fair enough...

But you used the term -- I didn't...I said that the Taliban AS devout Muslims...nice try...but it does raise an interesting point...

It's funny, you claim to be offended by all zealots, yet you can't even find the words to describe your extremism of radical Christianity in your own country with anything else BUT a reference to another religion's modern political movement rooted in Third World countries?

You can live in a dream world all you want...BUT unlike Afghanistan where the Taliban have a fighting opposition that includes equally devout Muslims, it rather appears that this old gent in OP seems to be swimming along quite nicely unemcumbered by even a job description. :shrug:

[havocmom]

14. You have missed a lot of my posts

That I chose not to go long and again pummel extremist xians in this country is not any proof that I have any problem attacking home grown zealots on a regular basis.

Not time enough to gear into verbose today. Sorry to disappoint.

[MrPrax]

15. You probably should...

be going long and pummeling them because they have distracted you with racist imperialist wars in order to consolidate power in YOUR COUNTRY and tell you want to do and believe.

They also have basically manufactured the very terms you use to describe them and you use it with abandon thinking you might score a 'point' against them by drawing the public's attention to the crimes and ambitions of another completely different movement under completely different conditions.

Unfortunately when you use the term, you let them do the same rhetorical BS as you did to me..."Are you suggesting that ALL of the American evangelical movement is like the Taliban?"

Can't imagine how that conversation ends up...in America ;-)

[dubykc]

5. No wonder the VA is so F'd up

[mcscajun]

6. It's an ad for "Christian Embassy", nothing more. "More important than doing the job"?

Fine, get out and let someone else do it, then.

As to Christian Embassy*, they've been working D.C. with this "embassy" for thirty years; no doubt it is the recent mal-Administration that's enabled them to "go wide" with this video. This video is highlighted on their website as part of their proselytizing efforts within the D.C. government/military community. With all of the Pentagon-level brass they've got on board, getting permission to film probably wasn't too difficult; but that is for the inquiry to discover and disclose to the public.

All the officers are identified in the video by their Defense Department positions, "yet the video failed to include any disclaimers indicating that the views expressed were not those of the Department of Defense," the letter says.

It asks whether the officers received permission to promote the Christian Embassy and whether any other religious or secular organizations have been allowed to use Pentagon facilities and uniformed personnel in promotional videos.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/10/AR2006121000883.html

I find the video disturbing; I noted immediately that all of these individuals were identified by rank and position, and that seemed more than inappropriate. Then there were the comments like this one: Army Brig. Gen. Bob Casen refers in the video to the Christian Embassy's special efforts to reach admirals and generals through Flag Fellowship groups. Whenever he sees another fellowship member, he says, "I immediately feel like I am being held accountable, because we are the aroma of Jesus Christ."

Uh-huh. I smell a "different standard" being applied to those who are Fellowship members and those who are not. Even in the groups below Flag Rank, I smell an insider network in place, of those who have been touched by this "embassy", and those who stand outside of it, in much the same manner that John Ashcroft's morning prayer sessions seemed.

And the video ended with one interviewee's comment: "I think it's a huge impact. Because you have many men and women who are seeking God's counsel and wisdom as we advise the Chairman and the Secretary of Defense. Alleluia."

Uh-huh. Advising the Chairman and the Secretary of Defense, with the help of Christian Embassy.
:scared:

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campus_Crusade_for_Christ_International

[Why Syzygy]

18. Yes ..

I wonder how that goes on one's resume'?

Job Title:
But, we had Bible study!

(and put on the armor of god, I presume)

It is scary for anyone. No matter your beliefs.

[donsu]

9. as can be seen, the religiously insane are dangerous

to govt's and people

[mzteris]

11. ewww...... I never knew this existed

http://www.christianembassy.com/

SCARY stuff.

"Preferential treatment" comes to mind. (Religious) Discrimination in job advancement. A host of problems with this. aacckk...

[Vexatious Ape]

12. And we pay their salaries.

Christian fascist to the core.

[LiberalFighter]

16. Couldn't that be considered Ghost Employment if he isn't doing his job?

While being paid.

Ghost Employment is illegal in local, state and federal government.

[BrokenBeyondRepair]

17. Infuriating

[GoneOffShore]

20. More nonsense from the rationally challenged

These guys raised their hands and swore to uphold and defend the Constitution. They didn't swear on the Constitution to uphold the Bible.

This is totally unacceptable. Using our tax dollars to support this superstitious nonsense is appalling.

[peace13]

21. This makes me physically ill...

can't watch the whole thing.

[lapfog_1]

22. This is very important.

The evangelical movement has set it sights on taking over the Pentagon.

They started with the Air Force Academy, and with Bush 43, they have moved on getting their people appointed to senior staff positions all over the Pentagon. In addition, Bush has been systematically weeding out top military leaders who don't follow lock step with the evangelical movement. I believe that Gen Pace is one of the "new breed" of Pentagon leaders that are very evangelical.

If this country would ever have a military coup, it would be carried out by "true believers" who think that they are "answering to a higher power". This is very dangerous.

[xchrom]

23. of course his study of the bible leads him to very different conclusions

than say mine does.

[Maraya1969]

24. If they are so pious why do veterans have to fight for disability? It took well over

a year for a friend to get hers even though she is very very sick! And my neighbor is still fighting to get his while he lays around the house for several days at a time because he can't friggin MOVE!


Of course all these Christian hypocrites look like they are in great health.

I think they should get their noses out of the Bible and stick them down at the grindstone and get some work done. Do your praying in your off time.

Bible study is more important than work? Tell that to a homeless veteran you shithead!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Irreverend IX]

25. They mentioned "prayer breakfasts..."

So it's a good time to mention the article "Jesus Plus Nothing," which sheds light on some of the truly freaky stuff going on in the back rooms of the evangelical movement:

http://www.harpers.org/JesusPlusNothing.html

[ikojo]

27. Just imagine the hew and cry that would be heard

if there was a kollel (is an institute for advanced studies of the Talmud and of rabbinic literature for post-graduate Jewish adults, essentially a yeshiva which pays married men a regular monthly stipend or annual salary (and/or provides housing and meals) to study Judaism's classic texts in depth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kollel )within the walls of the Pentagon...


OY VEY!! I can hear the screams of Jewish World Conspiracy, however, in the US people have been conditioned to think Christian equals good...how often do you hear "that was a very Christian thing to do"? Therefore few will think ill of a Christian based bible study within the walls of the Pentagon.