if jane hamsher is a progressive

[angee_is_mad]

I'm glad I'm not one.

Found this link on another blog and thought I would put it on here.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/20/817242/-Update-2:-Sorry-Miz-Jane-Hamsher.-No.-

NJ sent me an invite to this forum and I must say, I think I'm going to like it here. It's good to get away from the anti Obama bashers on GD &GDP.

The funny thing is I always considered myself a progressive until HRC. When progressives start talking about primarying the President, I'm out.

Fired up and Ready to go:fistbump:

[Born_A_Truman]

1. Hey angee_is_mad

So happy you found this place! A little shelter from the storm. :toast:

I love "fired up and ready to go". My 3YO granddaughter and I used to say it to each other all the time before the election.

[SeattleGirl]

2. Thom Hartmann is advocating for the same thing. Now, I like

Thom a lot, and think he has lots of smarts, but I really don't understand his thinking on this. He believes that the teabaggers and the progressives are angry about many of the same things, but I think, frankly, that the teabaggers are pissed off because a black man is President of the US, and they are just picking anything to scream about so they don't have to SAY they hate it that a black man is president (of course, some of them DO carry horrendously racist signs).

No, Thom, I can't get on board with you on this one, and the same goes for Jane.

And if were WERE issues that each group is genuinely angry about, I still wouldn't join up with them, because I don't want to hitch my wagon to a bunch of racist, crazy loonies.

[get the red out]

20. Oh no

Thom Hartman agreeing with TEABAGGERS? Yea, lets throw in our lot with them, then elect a REPUBLICAN and see how may progressive ideas are even permitted to be voiced. The teabaggers want a white supremicist theocracy, that's the root of what they are about, no taxes to support any help for anyone. Ron Paul nut-jobs, anti-union, anti-gay, anti-female, pro-theocracy, no taxes, rights for white men with guns.

Thom must be after ratings, or just too caught up in the emotion. "Progressives" are missing Bush and have forgotten that legislation is like making sausage.

No more liberal radio for me, the media just wants a rage rush.

[azmouse]

23. I don't know what's happened to Thom but

I can hardly listen to his show any more. He is becoming just like the anti-Obama, doom-and-gloomers here on DU.
I know he (or some member of his staff) reads and posts here occasionally. We should tell him how we feel... not that it would make much of a difference but we could get our voices heard on the terrible direction he is taking his show.

[Undercurrent]

3. Just read the link.

My question is this.

Why do Ed Shultz, and Rachel repeatedly have this woman on their shows as an honored guest (as opposed to one they are trying to expose)? They also frequently make reference to articles on Firedoglake.

What gives? Are they stupid? Blind? That black face photo shop was posted on her website 3 years ago. There's no excuse for their dragging this person onto their stages, and passing her off as some sort of political pundit.

[angee_is_mad]

4. things that make you say

ummmmmmmmmm?

[Undercurrent]

6. Sure does.

I can say one thing, and I'm not casting aspersions on Ed or Rachel, but there is a LOT of painted over, gussied-up, gentrified racism is this country. A LOT!

[angee_is_mad]

7. Ain't that the truth

sad thing about it is that some don't even realize that they are racist.

Clues that someone is racist or at the very least racially insensitive:

1.Say something racist and when called out on it, claim they can't be racist because they have a black (insert any minority) friend.
2. hang around, pal around with racists ie. pat Buchanan (insert msnbc host) and thinks it cute and the racist is brilliant.
3. Start a sentence with, "I'm not prejudice, but...."

[Undercurrent]

9. I used to be married

to a black man. I lived in Central Texas at the time, in the heart of clan country.

My ex and I were physically assaulted as we stood on a street corner one afternoon. Eggs and racial epithets were thrown at us. That was easier for me to handle than it was putting up with the syrupy sweet comments by some of the fancy, white elites. My ex was a Jazz musician, and I never again want to hear some of the bs that passed for "compliments". Blat!

In spite of being smeared with a ton of lipstick, racism is a still pig.

[firedupdem]

5. They remind me of what were they called

dixiecrats?....I don't know the complete history however, teabaggers are nothing but a racist bunch of nutbags. They came out of the woodwork AFTER the president won. All the issues they are supposedly so pissed about were well under way with the last administration. Their signs etc. tell the entire story.

I'm starting to get really pissed with these people. This lady can go to hell.
If she's calling for folks to join up with them, she has lost her mind.

[Cha]

8. Hey, maybe we're the progressives

and those who would "March With The Teabaggers" are the regressives?

[Kind of Blue]

19. Or Fauxgressives I've read some DUers are using or

Manic Progressives, as Number23 pointed out in another post :rofl: :rofl:

[Cha]

28. Yeah, "fauxgressive" is

Right!

[Number23]

10. Thanks for that link. And of course the Kos diarist who points out Hamsher's call for alliances

with racists as well as using a blackface photo of Joe Lieberman is the one being called a "race baiter."

America: The More Things Change, the More They Stay the Same.

[SeattleGirl]

11. It amazes me, the number of people who swear they don't

have a racist bone in their bodies, yet spout things that are racist. They seem to think if they don't call someone n****r or s**c or something like that, then they aren't racist. Racism can be subtle in far more ways than in is blatant.

[Cha]

12. I wish I could get the rest of the diarist, deoliver's, link

to work for me..I've tried several times and it won't scroll down past the first paragraph.

It looked really interesting..if anyone can post what else is written I would appreciate it..thanks.

[Undercurrent]

14. KOS is acting a little wonky right for me right now.

<erase>

Never mind.

Tried something thinking it might be able for you to click through, and it didn't work.

It may be some internal hinkiness on the site.

[Arkana]

13. If she's doing that she's the worst sort of moron.

[RFKHumphreyObama]

15. In addition to the disgusting "blackface" incident, the Caroline Kennedy thing was another reason

Why I lost all respect for Jane Hamsher.

She posted her vile little screed about Caroline Kennedy after she spent much of 2008 complaining about the sexism directed toward Hillary Clinton

And I've seen the way she treats those who disagrees with her or how she goes after people who don't meet her ideological purity tests on any select issue.

That Kos diarist should be given a medal for exposing Jane Hamsher's true colors. I'm guessing, though, that he will be the subject of much abuse for daring to question this so-called "progressive icon"

[Cha]

26. Thanks, I didn't know that about Carolne Kennedy and

I actually had all I needed to know about hamsher to realize I don't think much of her.

I wrote her an email back in August and called her on her disingenuousness.

[treestar]

16. How disgusting

What was the Clinton/Lieberman blackface photo even supposed to mean?

[Number23]

24. Clinton was viewed by many blacks as the First Black President

Until Obama, of course. :)

It appears to me that by portraying Lieberman as a "spook" and Clinton with his shades on and his arm around him, that she's saying "Clinton's Negro appeal is so strong that it's even bringing out the Negro in Lieberman and causing him to swoon" or something to that effect. It appears that the caricature was designed to be more racially insensitive than intelligent.

And to be honest, I'm sure that even the person who made that foolishness doesn't even really know what the hell it's about.

[HughMoran]

17. She likes tea...

:)

[Kind of Blue]

18. EEEK, I just got this from her this morning

"Hi ------

The Senate's health care bill must be killed.

It is an ungodly mess of errors, loopholes, and massive giveaways. When the American people find out what's actually in this bill, they will revolt. Congress and President Obama have no choice but to do better for health care than this bill.

Sign the petition: the Senate health care bill must be killed..."

Sign our petition: kill the Senate bill.

Make no mistake, we need health care reform. But the Senate's idea of reform is a disaster, and will make things far worse than they are today.

We will continue to fight for real health care reform. Now, we must kill this fake reform.

Thanks for all you do.

Jane Hamsher
Firedoglake

P.S. Please, after you've signed, forward this email to your friends, family, coworkers - anyone you know. It's critical we act fast to kill the Senate bill, and we need everyone we can on board.

I've promptly unsubscribed and gave them choice words about what is wrong about her claims - I was asked why.

[euphoria12leo]

21. And that's why I clicked unsubscribe

to FDL. They ask for a reason why and I let her know the many reasons.

:grr:

[Number23]

25. Eek indeed! So does she fancy herself a "journalist," "writer," "health care expert"

or just "Obama foe?" Why in the world does she think she's in a position to "kill this fake reform" and calling for others to help her??? She sounds like she's got her head up her own @ss.

[NJmaverick]

22. There was a time before Rush Limbaugh where the Right wing

actually had intellectuals who were often their thought leaders. Then came Rush and company and it came down to simple messages and catch phrases. Now you have the Tea Party that thinks even that is too much thinking and it should be all about anger.


I can't help but feel the progressive movement is heading down that same path.

[Cha]

27. I thought that even before they advocated "Marching With The

Teabaggers"..and yet, they don't want to be called "left baggers".

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. Shades of the 2000 election, when we were told by the "purists" that there...

was no difference between Bush and Gore. That didn't work out well for the country at all. I think Jane may have a little leftover primary resentment. Why is it that only the most extreme voices on the left and the right get airtime? It's because they've all figured out which buttons to push, and it's usually hyper-emotional, anti-government b.s. that gets the "activists" on both sides, all worked up.

Screw Jane, and all the rest. I haven't bothered with Thom Hartmann since a month or so after the inauguration. He was down Obama's throat from the outset. They want to find the next Ralph Nader. It may be Dennis, or it might be Bernie Sanders, but whomever they choose will be a disaster, and nothing more than a sideshow. Leftbaggers, indeed.