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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:12 AM
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Are the student protesters in Venezuela, freepers?
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:15 AM
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1. my guess is they're funded by the Company
you know, the same company which has overthrown so many left-leaning democratically elected leaders for the last 50 years. This is not paranoid delusion: most of those (in the past) are well-documented. I don't think it's a reach to assume they are still using those tricks, much like the US-backed TV station in Iraq that was (glossed over) in the news recently (see this weeks Top 10 Idiots).
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:24 AM
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2. The CIA? Those bastards!
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 10:05 AM
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10. There certainly is a history of that
So I wouldn't discount it as a possibility.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 10:18 AM
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12. that's the way I see it
I don't know one way or the other, but they certainly do like to forment dissent in left-leaning oil-rich countries.

Or do people think that only happened in the 50's through the 80's and they stopped doing that now?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:24 AM
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3. my post appeared on the wrong thread.
Edited on Wed May-30-07 08:26 AM by mod mom
THAT WAS TOTALLY WEIRD!
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:26 AM
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4. Republicans do have a thing for fake protests
Just look at what happened during the 2000 Recount.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:27 AM
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5. only if you say 'freepers' after a dramatic pause
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:28 AM
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6. In a word, yes.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:56 AM
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7. Chavez Does Have a Lot of Enemies
Edited on Wed May-30-07 09:12 AM by ribofunk
and they're not all rich people. Cab drivers, small business owners, religious types -- many of the same kinds of regular people that support plutocratic policies in this country. A lot of them undoubtedly just watch the TV station and believe what it's telling them.

But this got my attention -- the crowd shot 19 police officers? Holy shit! Sounds like more than a protest march.

He said 19 police had been hurt, one surviving a shot to chest thanks to a flak jacket.

On Edit: And by the way, how is this paragraph buried at the end of the story? Sounds closer to a violent revolution than a media crackdown.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 08:59 AM
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8. No, their protests have more than 5 people.
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welshTerrier2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 09:15 AM
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9. a little history lesson: Operation Ajax
Edited on Wed May-30-07 09:16 AM by welshTerrier2
here are a few key excerpts of the plan to overthrow Mossadeq in Iran ... note that the plan included two key operational aspects:
1. to bring mobs of protestors into the streets by MANUFACTURING a reason for them to oppose the duly elected government
2. to use all available press and radio outlets to spread anti-government propaganda.

the point is not to defend Chavez but to make damned sure we understand the very great likelihood, based on the US government's history, that it is very actively involved in trying to oust Chavez. For other CIA activities in the region, take a read on "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" and also "The Sorrows of Empire."

Here's an excerpt from a document entitled: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax#Planning_Operation_Ajax

The document was written by Donald Wilber, a career CIA agent under the direction of Kermit Roosevelt.

source: http://web.payk.net/politics/cia-docs/published/one-main/main.html#SECTION001470000000000000000

Action on coup day.

This action will follow basically similar lines although it may be carried out relative to as many as three different situations. These three situations are:

* Situation A: The climax of a massive religious protest against the Mossadeg government which is followed immediately by military action. <skip>

At the climax of Situation A, Zahedi will assume office as Chief of the Ceneral Staff by a limited military action against the Headquarters of the general staff. He will at once name the selected person as his deputy, and the arrests or Mossadeq and the others will be made at once. <skip>

General Program

The purpose will be to create, extend, and enhance public hostility and distrust and fear of Mossadeq and his government. A sum equivalent to $150,000 will be budgeted for this program. This will be a phased operation, with the phases as follows;

Phase 1. This is the current preliminary support stage wherein the receipt of US and UK funds permits Zahedi to win additional friends and to influence key people.

Phase 2. A massive propaganda campaign against Moseadeq and his government but with Mossadeq himself as the principal target. This will begin only a week or two before the climax of Situation A so as not to offer too much time for a sharp reaction by Mosgadeq and so that the impact will not be dispersed by being long drawn out.

Phase 3- This Is Situation A which is described in full in a following paragraph.

Duties of Specific Elements

1. Press and Publicity. In the preliminary support period the British group will continue to use its numerous smaller papers to push an anti-Mossadeq line. At Headquarters and at the field station US personnel will draft and put into Persian the text for articles, broadsheets and pamphlets, some pro-Shah and some anti-Mossadeq. The material designed to discredit Mossadeq will hammer the following themes:

1. Mossadeq favors the Tudeb Party and the USSR. (This will be supported by black documents.)
2. Mossadeq is an enemy of Islam since he associates with the Tudeh and advances their aims.
3. Mossadeq is deliberately destroying the morale of the Army and its ability to maintain order.
4. Moosadeq is deliberately fostering the growth of regional separatist elements through his removal of Army control over tribal areas. One of the aims of the removal of control by the Army is to make it easier for the Soviets to take over the Northern Provinces,
5. Mossadeq is deliberately leading the country into economic collapse.
6. Mossadeq has been corrupted by power to such an extent that no trace is left of the fine man of earlier years, and he now has all the repressive instincts of the dictator.
7. Consistent with these themes will be the persistent slant that Moseadeq has been the unwitting victim of his unscrupulous, personally ambitious advisers. <skip>

Final Action Immediately Preceding the Coup

As noted above, the military actiorl can result from Situations A, B, or C. However, the pre-coup activities of the organizntion as described above will be primarily for the purpose of creating Situation A which is described below.

1. On the appointed day, staged attacks will be made against respected religious leaders. in Tehran.

2. Other religious leaders will at once say that these attacks were ordered by Mossadeq as his reaction to the disfavor in which his government is hold by the religious leaders of the entire country.

3. A number of the more important leaders will at once take sanctuary In the Majlis grounds.

4. At this time, these religious leaders wlll relemlso statements through their followers denouncing in the strongest terms the anti- religious attitude and behavior of Mossadeq.

5. At the same time as 2.b.(4) (d) Above, the fullest publicity will be given to the US station fabricated documents which prove and record in detail a secret agreement between Mossadeq and the Tudeh, with the latter promising to use all their force in support of Mosssadeq and against the religious leaders, the Army, and the police.

6. Simultaneously, these leaders will call on their followers to take sanctuary all over Tehran In mosques, telegraph and post offices, banks, etc. The British group and the US station will supply all the demonstrators they can to swell their ranks, and at the same time the merchants will attempt to close the bazaar. (This mass sanctuary is designed to interrupt all normal life and activity in the city and to illustrate dramatically the extent of popular dissatisfaction with the government. It is the local version of passive resistance and by long established tradition the military and police-are unable to take action against people who take sanctuary.)

7. In the presence of thin increasingly hostile and abnormal atmosphere, Zahedi will take over as chief of staff and make those arrests which are an essential part of the military phase of the coup.

8. Just after Zahedi moves, the Majlis will be called into session to formalize the change of government and complete the coup.


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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 10:11 AM
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11. Nope
They are probably just people who don't like the idea of the government telling them what they can and can't watch.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 10:19 AM
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13. Because every phenomenon in the world MUST fit nicely into DU and Freeper buckets. Sheesh.
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