A lot of people here are really ticked off for GOOD reasons

[Divine Discontent]

you know, which dirty HOLE next to Cheney's did some of these animals crawl out of to make such incendiary right-wing assaults on her? "fuckin' right! Ineffective"

well excuse us, why didn't she just get the heck out of your way as you sat out in the heat protesting and making heartfelt speeches against the war, while watching the support for that war dip down over the years of protesting that you did, or is it because she's 1000x the leader and that's why she was in the position she was in? Because she made an EFFECTUAL difference on millions of Americans hearts in her own way, as ultimately the branches of gov't have to be the ones to end the war. She helped foster a debate over the war that has led it to being dubious and risky to support it still, and I and millions like me, who support her valiant efforts are evidence of her effectiveness. The leaders who 'fight' the best are the ones that never take up a weapon. They invoke the spirits of a nation to stand up one by one in an honorable cause.

The only thing "ineffective" is this drivel coming from the fingers of some of you so called progressives. The next one of you who wants to say Cindy is an attention whore, ineffective, or just wanna call her a name like "Toots", reach your arm up to your mouth, insert your fist into your mouth and bite down HARD...


GOD BLESS CINDY SHEEHAN FOR DOING WHAT NEARLY EVERYONE, INCLUDING ME, SHOULD'VE BEEN DOING MORE OF THAN WE DID, WHICH IS MARCHING AND SPEAKING AGAINST THIS WAR IN THE MANNER SHE HAS - IF WE WOULD HAVE IT'D BE OVER - SHE IS A HERO, AND I ASPIRE TO BE AS IMPORTANT IN THE FIGHT AGAINST IT AS SHE WAS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN MANY HEARTS!

[mike_c]

1. hear hear...!

Well said, and recommended!

[Divine Discontent]

4. THANK YOU! seriously

I know I'm not alone... thank you thank you.. I want an anonymous duzy in Cindy's honor for the leading without a weapon comment, I can't believe I said that - it's because of HER...
I'm so angry I'm crying, how dare these people attack such a warm, clear spoken, antiwar peace loving HERO! No wonder she left, the attacks from her own "side" surely got to her, she's worn out from an ARDUOUS fight and she needs us to stand up for her when she's down. Bastards, everyone of them that have assaulted her efforts!

[Dhalgren]

2. K&R! Well said!

[petersjo02]

3. Thanks.

Very well said and it needed to be said. I'll kick it.

[magellan]

5. Huzzah!

Did you see/hear her on DN! this morning? Amy gave her the full hour. I feared Cindy wasn't doing well until I saw this...Oh yes, she's doing well -- strong and determined as ever! Just regrouping and working on a plan to attack the issue from a different angle.

This is all any of us can do. And we should give it our all, just as Cindy does.

[Divine Discontent]

6. thank you for the update! MOST thankful... here's some pics I made

[magellan]

11. Thank you for those!

They're great, I'll rotate them into my sig line. :hug:

[EVDebs]

7. K&R #8 for Greatest Page...now i gotta go back to the salt mines nt

[Divine Discontent]

9. lol... love ya much! n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

8. Bravo!!

[Skidmore]

10. I posted tihs on one of those threads earlier today.--the one about other historical dissenters.

Cindy, like all those others, has dared to stand up and speak truth when not many people would even listen. When her message was not wanted. She has spoken what no one among the leaders of our party dared utter for fear of being called a name. There are those of us on this board who agree with her strongly. Many of us have actively worked to bring these truths to the light and to hold accountable those who would cynically manipulate the people of this nation and debase the Constitution. The very existence of DU is owed to people standing forth and raising voices of dissent, as has Cindy has done. This has nothing to do with conformity but a common purpose--to end an unjust war. Some take the message to the streets using political theatre, others write letters to the editor or articles like Will Pitt does, still others speak truth at the water cooler at work everyday or within their families, and others still have formed organizations.

Cindy's voice is unique and has risen above this chorus of dissent. She is unique because she gives voice to the pain of an unjust war that only a small portion of our citizens can truly own--our military families. She is unique because she stepped forward to confront a man who would style himself as chosen and play God by claiming the power to move boundaries and of life and death. And, she spoke at a time when our very party's leadership would not hold this man accountable.

Yes, Cindy is honored and respected by us for her willingness to speak out. To borrow a nicely turned phrase from Al Sharpton, "I intend to slap the donkey..." Our dissent (DUs and Cindy's) has slapped an elephant and now must slap the donkey. Conforming is not an option. Conforming is silence and brings death and destruction now. Cindy deserves as much as anyone of the fine dissenters noted in this thread to be credited for cracking open the shell of conformity than has concealed much corruption and rot at the center of this occupation. This is what all of those dissenters did. They took a stand and refused to budge until a great injustice was addressed and in times of great turmoil. Every single one of them is to be honored for their unique contribution, and Cindy has earned her place also as one who stood up and stood out.

[Divine Discontent]

12. stood up and stood out! great message! n/t

[driver8]

13. Right on!! Very well said! Kick and Recommend!!

I have stayed out of the Cindy Sheehan "discussions" because I couldn't believe some of the bullshit that I was reading. I had to bite my tongue several times, but I didn't want to participate or add fuel to the shit storm.

How anyone could criticize Cindy for her decision and her opinions is beyond me. This woman has worked her ass off to bring attention to the war crimes and the quagmire in Iraq. She deserves much more than the shit that has been thrown her way from many DU'ers. We owe Cindy our gratitude and our respect...she has certainly earned it.

[MuseRider]

14. Agreed. Thank you for saying it so well. n/t

[Breeze54]

15. Right on!

:kick: & R'd

[doggyboy]

16. You know, the hate directed at Ms Sheehan was pretty ugly

and the hate in this OP isnt very pretty either.

When the dogs are brawling, yelling and screaming only gets them more revved up.

[Marrah_G]

17. Some of the name calling was out of line

But it seems as though you are trying to muzzle anyone with any critisism of her at all. If that is the case I suggest you take your own advice and shove your own fist in your mouth.

If someone thinks that she is ineffective they have every right to say it here. To call her an attention whore is a bit over the line and that is what moderators are for.

This is the Democratic Underground, not the "Cindy is the Messiah" board, there is no rule when we sign up that says "you must love Cindy Sheehan and never speak a critical word about her".

Now with that said, I respect Cindy and even admire her. I think she has made a few mistakes and I've said so, and will continue to say so if that's what I feel.

[stillcool]

18. The intensity

... of the vitriol, is like that of rabid dogs. I don't get the constant regurgitation of the mantra's 'criticism' and 'free speech'..as though every reflection on a human beings life requires adversarial positioning. Why can one not express their opinion without tearing somebody else down? If your opinion is different than mine, do you have to belittle, and debase me in order to express it?

[Marrah_G]

19. "Why can one not express their opinion without tearing somebody else down? "

That is exactly what I am trying to say. People need to understand that critisism isn't "tearing someone down" if it is done in a respectful manner. People on both sides of this issue have been nasty. We have moderators to weed those out who cross the line.

[stillcool]

21. Debasing and degrading..

another human being need not be tolerated.

[Marrah_G]

22. We are in agreement on that.

[bonito]

20. K&R!

:hi:

[roguevalley]

23. I love Cindy. Have someone in the war and then you'll know what

she has suffered. Bless her warrior heart. I LOVE YOU, CINDY!

[Divine Discontent]

26. ah! bonito! hello! :) good to seey you K&R! God bless Cindy! n/t

[EFerrari]

24. Yes and yes.

[cassiepriam]

25. Amen. Cindy is one of the most courageous women in America.

She deserves our blessing and heartfelt appreciation.
Any thing less is a sin.

[Bake]

27. DU did it to her.

The attitude that Sheehan is "beyond reproach" and that nobody else's opinion matters, OFTEN expressed here -- in virtually every thread -- is what pissed a lot of people off. Including me. No one could question ANYTHING she did, because she was a grieving mother. She was, in essence, a sacred cow. And sacred cows, frankly, need to be deflated, regardless of ideology, because there is no such thing as a sacred cow.

I admire MOST of what Sheehan did. Not all. I thought she was tactically wrong a couple of times, and said so. I got flamed for it. I never called her names or said anything personally nasty about her, so I don't need to, nor do I, apologize for what I said -- in a democracy, everybody's opinion matters. I thought she was wrong to disrupt the Dem presser last fall. I thought she was wrong to presume to speak for ALL of "We the People" in an open letter calling for impeachment. I thought she was wrong to meet with Chavez. She should have stuck to her core message. And the fact that she put herself out front as the "face of the anti-war movement" was fine, but she went beyond that, and I don't apologize for criticizing that.

So frankly, DUers prompted a lot of the criticism that she got from this place, by putting her on a "beyond reproach" pedestal. And I'm sorry if that offends anybody, but it's the truth and it needs to be said. As I said, I admire her stand on the war. I admire her actions on that issue. When she went beyond that issue, she stepped off the pedestal.

A lot of people now are conflating ANY criticism of Sheehan's methods or tactics, or issues for that matter, with criticism of her personally, and frankly, that's just wrong. If you're going to get out front, you've got to expect that. And when it gets too hot, you get out of the kitchen.

Bake

[Divine Discontent]

28. funny?

My post was not about people not being able to form opinions about her choices, but more about being obnoxious and crossing the line with her being a woman and being called TOOTS within minutes of her announcement, people agreeing with that sentiment, people throwing her into the wood chipper within seconds of the announcement as if she did nothing to effect the peace movement, hadn't effected anyone, and did it with such venom I felt like the site had been hijacked by freepers.

Now, to your post, I agree, there's nothing wrong with you questioning her choices, at all. But, they're hers and I'm sure she's fine with them. I am fine with her choices also, but I understand why you question some of them, but frankly, this country has its collective head up its arse so far to not have had every single adult have written and called for major investigations into this dirty b*sh empire.

Best wishes!

[uppityperson]

37. Thanks for OP and for this good reply. k&r if I still can

[muffin1]

29. Thank you for your post!

Cindy has done so much for the anti-war movement - it's no wonder she needs a break.
Rest up, dear lady. You deserve it!:hug:

[Tsiyu]

30. Thank you for standing up for Cindy

There is a saying: Those who say it can't be done should stay out of the way of those who are actually getting it done.

Cindy is more of a hero than any man or woman I know.

There are three groups of people in this country

The first group: Those who exploit the system and don't care who dies or suffers so they can get what they want. This group is small but powerful because:

The second group is made up of those who either don't care or are too cowardly to speak out, too afraid of losing what they have (not realizing that their silence is going to make sure it is taken from them anyway.) This group is HUGE and makes up most of America.

The third group is made up of those who will actually speak out even when their names, reputations, jobs, property and lives are at stake. This group is miniscule, but Cindy is part of it.


I can't tell you how many times I have heard "I don't know what you said to so-and-so but they sure changed their attitude." I am known as an outspoken __b_________ ____w________ __c___________(insert every name they've called Cindy and any other woman who speaks their mind.)

But you know what? My 'bitching" has paid off many, many times. Why? Because finally somebody who cared took a stand and someone heard. It works.

Speak your mind to everyone who will listen and even to those who don't want to hear. That is the beginning of change. I am fed up with cowards who remain silent in the face of the evil that has overtaken this country. What is wrong with all of you who hide in your houses and ignore what is happening?

I am appalled at those who would cut down someone who actually suffered to protect all of our kids. Anyone who doesn't see Cindy Sheehan as a hero is a COWARD and is DOING NOTHING to bring this nation back. But they sure feel good in their "I'm safe so fuck you" criticisms of a woman who put everything on the line for all of us.

Disgusting cowards, every one.

Yeah, I'm pissed. :grr:

[Divine Discontent]

35. I feel your anger, it's placed properly! thank you! n/t

[Fire Walk With Me]

31. Someone should do a documentary on Cindy.

[peace13]

32. Cindy is a brave woman and she

speaks for me on the issue of Iraq. Peace Cindy, you are an inspiration and I know that Casey would have been so proud of you. Forget the couch potatoes that want to criticize while sitting on their asses. The world is full of them but it appears that there is...only one of you! Thanks. peace and love, KIm

[peacetalksforall]

33. Never forget this contrast.

While highly paid bimbos with perfect coifs and make-up and a team of dressers pimped for barons, corporation, PNAC and the Republican Party with lies, deception, ridicule of Dems - all the while spreading hate of certain minorites and aiding in the creation of fear and assisting in the killings ------

======= Cindy was the opposite.

I hope she stays simple in appearance, determined to expose the truth, and make some money in some form.

[maggiegault]

34. Recommended, and Highly. Bashing Cindy Is To Bash Every One Of Us Who Have Lost A Soldier In Iraq

[19jet54]

36. Barf!

I went back & checked - It was one person who made all of the comments you quote, now we have to listen to your constant dribble about that one looser until we die - get over it!