What's the deal with the RW & their criminal heroes?

[Cirque du So-What]

The imminent sentencing of I. Lewis Libby for perjury and obstruction of justice prompted me to consider conservatives' love affair with their own criminals - even after being convicted and serving time in prison.

The two who came to mind immediately were G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North. Both were convicted of serious crimes, yet remain heroes in the eyes of many conservatroids. North escaped serving time in prison, thanks to a presidential pardon (as did many other RW figures in the Iran-Contra scandal), and even enjoyed sufficient support to make a run for a Senate seat in Virginia. Liddy actually served his sentence and went on to speak - unrepentantly, I might add - all over the country, collect his fees, and even host a RW talk show (as did North).

Can you imagine the outcry if any Democrat was held in such high esteem after serving time in prison? Hell, the freepers still point to Bill Clinton's impeachment, conveniently ignoring the fact that he was found 'not guilty.' A study needs to be conducted on the pathology of this 'conservative disconnect.'

[BOSSHOG]

1. Its fair to say that CRIME IS A CONSERVATIVE VALUE

Plain and simple. Those who love their heroes are too proud to admit they are criminals. Pride? Isn't that a sin or something?

[Gregorian]

2. Here's that study.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/



Ignorant bullies. That sums it up fairly well.

[Cirque du So-What]

4. Thanks for the info

Bookmarking for later :hi:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. All I can say is

that the people supporting these criminals have this quaint notion that what they did was perfectly fine. The things they see has high crimes are things like a woman's right to choose or equal rights for people.

[Cirque du So-What]

5. And yet these same people

have the unmitigated gall to invoke 'rule of law' in order to get their way!

[unpossibles]

9. exactly.

I've actually had freeper-types try to tell me that North was a hero for helping the Contras overthrow the Leftist Sandinista, and completely ignore the part about arms & drugs dealing with terrorists. This is what I dislike so much about leftover McCarthyist anti-communist bullshit: it's not that I defend communism, I just hate the bad policy that historically has resulted from such positions, which has been anti-democratic and anti-people for 50+ years.

Libby is a hero. North, Cheney, Gates... all of them. Hell, another guy told me that Bush is smarter than I give him credit for because he was able to win the election by cheating. Although the same guy also says that my complaining of election fraud is soreloserman whining.

I don't get it.

[Grandrose]

6. It's just who they are!

They cannot help themselves!:shrug: :eyes:

[Grandrose]

7. self delete

[stillcool]

8. the law is there's to break and bend..

that's how they got where they are....justice is a joke..white collar crime is not only very profitable, it's admired by those with their noses pressed to the glass.

[melody]

10. Sociopathy

They're anti-social monsters who recognize and deify their own.

[tabasco]

11. Brownshirts.

There can be no crime that furthers the aim of their party.

They put their party ahead of their Nation.

[Javaman]

12. They equate stupidity and criminality as being rebellious.

because in their tiny little world of being sexually frustrated keyboard commando's, anyone that "sticks" to the man in the sense that appear to stand up for "the little guy" in their perverted twisted desperately needing a daddy figure little world, that is just fine and dandy. Because all good xians who fuck people over but then say sorry the devil made me do it, is forgiven as being a good xian.

don't ask me to try and unravel this kind of demented mentality, it's just what I have seen personally and come in contact with.

And when you call them on it, they get defensive because you are hitting a little bit to close to the center of their brainwashed insanity.

I have a sister that is like this.

[Codeine]

13. To be fair

we've got our own "criminal" heroes on the Left. Check the "Free Mumia" signage at your next anti-war protest; Leonard Petier comes to mind as well. Abby Hoffman? Tookie Williams?

[stillcool]

14. I've missed them..

on the cable news circuit ...what channel?...Oh that's right Abbie Hoffman is dead..oops so is Tookie Wilson......but, what does any name you cite have to do with the democratic party?

[Codeine]

16. Move the goalposts much?

First it was "heroes," now it's "heroes with a cable show?" :eyes:

[stillcool]

17. G.Gordon Liddy, and Oliver North..

have both been commentators on the cable-news-circuit...didn't you know?

[Codeine]

18. Of course.

But what does that have to do with "heroes?" Both sides have heroes that have been, or currently are, incarcerated. The original post wasn't about which of them got a cable news show, now was it?

[stillcool]

19. wow....

I must not express myself well. The original post made reference to 'republicans' making 'heroes' out of felons. These are members of the 'Republican party', particularly G. Gordon Liddy and Ollie North. Of course we could add to that list ad nauseam with the likes of Bob Noe, Randy "Duke" Cunningham, David Sefavian, Scooter Libby, etc., You mentioned some names, that as far as I know, have not served in any political administration, or been elected to any public office. Hence...my curiosity of why you would reference them. The appearance on cable news shows of convicted felons was my...obviously bad way...of showing their celebrity after their convictions. What democratic representative do you know of, who is a convicted felon, and thought of as a hero?

[Codeine]

21. shrug

It wouldn't be the first time I've missed the point! :silly:

[mitchum]

22. You forgot that dastardly criminal who wrote "Letter From a Birmingham...

Jail"

[Codeine]

23. LOL!

Another dangerous criminal mind.

That does rather prove the point, though -- if you don't view the actions of an individual as being immoral then "criminality" becomes irrelevant. We just define criminal activity in a slightly saner fashion that the Repukes do.

[CanonRay]

15. Read "Conservatives Without Conscience" by John Dean

He really lays it out...totally opened my eyes.

[leftofthedial]

20. the repuke party is a criminal enterprise

or actually an umbrella organization for numerous criminal enterprises

they all are criminals just by being members

it's a shame the justice department is blind.