Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Shipment of organic soybeans tests 20% GMO

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 10:44 PM
Original message
Shipment of organic soybeans tests 20% GMO
not sure what's going on here but it certainly is troubling.
--###--

original-nongmoreport

Shipment of organic soybeans tests 20% GMO

It’s an organic processor’s nightmare: a buyer calls to say that your organic product tested positive for genetically modified organisms (GMOs). The processor can’t sell the product as organic and loses money. Such unfortunate contamination incidents are increasing in the organic industry.

What makes the following incident even more troubling is the fact that a shipment of organic soybeans contained a high level of GM soy—much more than would have been caused by commingling with a small amount of GM soybeans or by cross-pollination.

20% contamination
In mid-April, Chris, who owns a soy processing facility, received a call from a customer saying that his soy ingredient tested positive for GMOs. Chris was shocked. His processing facility is 100% organic. He thought, “How could there be a problem?”

He then tried to trace the source of the contamination. He took samples from a railcar of organic soybeans sent from his supplier and sent them to a lab for testing.

The lab results stunned him. The samples tested positive at 20%, an extraordinarily high level of GMOs. The contamination was so high that the lab said there must be almost a truckload of GM soybeans in the railcar, says Chris.
~snip~
.
.
.
complete article here
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-30-07 11:02 PM
Response to Original message
1. Yikes, healthy eaters getting myelin sheath diseases as gene splicing
...and modification of essential human food groups weaken and attack the body's autoimmune system defenses. This is madness as farmers unknowingly or even deliberately introduce the GM foods by posing as organic. None of this is science, it is all about greed and profits.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 05:20 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. huh?
Would you like to back up this statement with some peer reviewed data showing this risk? I have NEVER heard this about GM modified food doing this. Show me the science on this claim please, I am skeptical!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 09:58 AM
Response to Reply #3
6. Won't let them publish either....
There are studies done and they have been posted on DU but the journals are corrupt, again articles posted on DU by former editors and studies on the journals. I can't search so you will have to do it yourself.

Corporate funded Checkbook research is killing the checks and balances that have kept us safe. At this point you almost have to assume that any drug/food research after 1993 and any food, meds you have gotten after 2001 are suspect. The Clintons were Corporatists lite and were so busy defending themselves they never got a real good grip on the Regan/Bush mess they inherited.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. I'm sorry but there is plenty of good independant government/scientific
toxicology programs going on (years long) like the NTP program and a paranoid answer about everything being corrupt including the reputable journals I happen to read quite a bit, isn't gonna convince me or anyone with a scientific background. Assuming something is dangerous and assuming something is safe based on anadoctal evidence (which this sounds like to me, the biology sounds really iffy to me and I have a degree in it). I trust the scientific community more than I trust anonymous cut n paste internet specialists on this. Show me the data. If there is ANY data. Your answer is no answer. I want to see a toxicology study. Someone must have done one if this is at all true. But it sounds totally made up to me, really. Its irresponsible to post something like that with nothing to back it up. Please also cite what journals are corrupt and where you get your info on that. The MSM? They are biological idiots. The organic food people? They have just as much a stake in calling GM food unsafe as ANY corporation does in protecting their own interests. Organic people are trying to make a profit too if you haven't figured that out yet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #8
19. Hmmm...
It makes one wonder why Europe has been fighting to keep GMO "food" out of their countries, if it is so safe.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #8
21. Are you sure? Can you see the forest for the trees?:
Just askin because I have made up my mind based on my personal experiences and what I have read, all sides.

I have no problem with people making money. I do have a problem if they feed me poison and use my tax dollars to make it legal.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #6
13. Actually, that's a lot of bullshit.
There are hundreds of reputable journals, and thousands of reputable studies published in them. Pushing some conspiracy theory that all the journals are corrupt and working together to cover up some effect of genetically modified food is simply a lie, and it's a ridiculously clumsy one at that. There's never been any evidence that genetically modified plants produce unsafe food. Period. Claims to the contrary like post #1 are based either on lies, misinformation, rumor, or just plain bad science.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. Me thinks thou doest protest too much...
I stand by what I say. Of course not all research is bogus, yet but too much of it is and none of it should be and I should be able to trust it becasue the CDC/NIH/FDA is supposed to be a watchdog for me on this.

BTW. Calling names will not change facts and you put forth no more proof than I did.

As I said I don't have time to do your research for you I am just telling you what I know from personal experience and a lot of reading including an expose by the former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #3
16. There are no peer reviewed studies on the safety of GM foods.
Edited on Thu May-31-07 01:45 PM by KaptBunnyPants
Thats the problem.
edit
well, apparently that's out of date.
http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/articles/biotech-art/peer-reviewed-pubs.html
Still, I'd feel a lot better about it if the FDA or some government body had made them perform large scale testing with rats before they let them feed this stuff to people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 05:17 AM
Response to Original message
2. k&r nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 07:25 AM
Response to Original message
4. He shipped this load in from China
Hopefully he learned his lesson, albeit a hard one. You can't control the quality nor the practices of Chinese trading partners, and that can wind up screwing you sooner or later.

There are plenty of organic soybean growers here in the US. Why not use them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #4
10. The article says it's a domestic US source. Not to say the Chinese soybeans
aren't going to be polluted with something else ! but in this instance not GMO from China.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #10
11. Damn, that's what I get for reading and posting before I finish my first cup of coffee n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. Don't worry, just ask yourself why that Chinese FDA kinda guy is being put to death
Probably to silence him re the extent of contamination in food shipped out of China.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 09:48 AM
Response to Original message
5. Hmm. It sounds like a contaminant in a way.
A number that high sounds like someone thought he could get away with mixing lesser GMO soybeans in with the organic ones. Why didn't the processor test the stuff himself to begin with?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #5
15. By What Measure
are GMO soy beans "lesser" than organic ones. I'm missing something here. Oh, wait... I'm supposed to just leap on the bandwagon and equate GMO with "bad," right?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #15
22. GMO soybeans are banned in Europe.
So there's that--the producer cannot sell those in Europe without facing huge fines.

The other problem is that GMO products have been causing all sorts of things out in the real world, affecting beneficial bacteria and insects, affecting bees, affecting the usual weeds in the area, and more along those lines. Just because they passed a few small field tests doesn't mean they're safe.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #15
23. They are "lesser"
for financial reasons, if nothing else. People pay a premium for organic. It's called stealing to substitute a cheaper item for a more expensive one and charge the premium price. It's misrepresentation. There seems to be a real need to be able to get what you're paying for.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 10:00 AM
Response to Original message
7. yuck!
this makes me sick. :(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 10:30 AM
Response to Original message
9. This was a DOMESTIC not Chinese contamination
Edited on Thu May-31-07 10:37 AM by EVDebs
"I've had samples from China tested for GMOs and they'e always tested clean"

but I can't wait until the Chinese start cheating on this...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 11:57 AM
Response to Original message
14. Why Couldn't
it be both? Is there something in the term "organic" that says it can't be genetically modified? What does "organic" even mean in this instance?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
nosmokes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #14
17. Organic specifically excludes GMOs thankfully.

There have been numerous tests that point to potential health dangers from consuming GMOs, but beyond that are the implications of private/corporate ownership of life forms and food crops with the potentiaal to make farmers and growers and ranchers virtual indentured servants. not to mention the environmental disaster that is caused by the planting and cultivation of GMOs compared to conventional and especially compared to bio-intensive or organic.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 03:40 PM
Response to Original message
18. The GMO companies should be held accountable in court
This is exactly the sort of deal that the common law ought to provide a remedy for.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 05:29 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC