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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:03 PM
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Franklin Graham's thoughts on the state of evangelism....
Franklin Graham warned about a creeping "liberalism" that is leading people to question the authority of Scripture.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4851069.html

What the heck does liberalism have to do with Evangelicals?
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:05 PM
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1. He's using the word in a theological sense
Not a political one.
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 02:37 PM
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21. I disagree
I think he means it in the political sense. The Falwells, Grahms and Robertsons have always painted political liberals as anti-religion. That the liberal ACLU goal is to abolish all religions or any public expression of it. This is to counter when someone complains about them being intolerant of non-religious people.

Liberals are the enemy because they took prayer out of the schools etc. Liberals are for gay rights so clearly that means they want to abolish the scripture that they believe condemns gays. Any progressiveness for gender relations, race, everything is liberal and anti-biblical standards. This is someone who spoke at Bush's inaugural so he definitely sees things politically.
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:06 PM
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2. Dumbasses
Asked for his thoughts on the state of evangelism, Franklin Graham warned about a creeping "liberalism" that is leading people to question the authority of Scripture.



It's not creeping liberalism, its reason and logic :evilgrin:
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:09 PM
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3. Creeping Liberalism means more people are on to their money making scheme
Praise the Lord, just one more hymn while we pass that plate around. Praise Jesus, dig deep brothers and sisters and give us the resources needed to fight the evils of liberalism. Can I get an Amen?
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:17 PM
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7. $$$ Too Funny
"Praise the Lord and pass the amunition.....errr I mean dollars....."

"Billy Graham cracker and his son can stick the bible you know where........"

Admiral: Hal E. Lewya :hi:


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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:21 PM
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10. My poor sweet dearly departed Grandma
living on a paltry social security pension back in the 70's would send Oral Roberts a check every month. Fucking scum of the earth human garbage.

Just finished Shadow Divers, very good book about a sunken sub. Curently reading yet another book about the Battle of New Orleans, no subs involved. I think?!?
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:27 PM
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12. Grandma's
Damn, mine would too back in the 70's, I dont think it was to Anal Roberts, but it was to
some evangelical nifnod that she would watch on TV.............
She was a good grandma, but really religious, and tried to teach me the ways....
in which I always nodded and played along, but never liked.

Me still reading..................

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:35 PM
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15. That one's on my list my Friend
As well as "Silent Steel," about the Scorpion.

Yeah my Grandma was about as religious a person I've ever met and I always respected her by behaving around her. The "christian" thing for ole oral to do would have been to send her checks back to her. But ya know how those guys have expenses.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:11 PM
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4. Boring repetition of the mantra of the fundamentalist creed from the 1920s
when they first started to challenge "modernism" which threatened the very core of their beliefs.

Franklin must be rooting for "Colonel" Matthew Brady every time he watches "Inherit the Wind".
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:11 PM
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5. Good
Scripture has no authority.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:15 PM
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6. If he wants to evangelize, he should stand on a Baghdad corner with his pamphlets
Of course that would immediately lead to his death since there is no god to "watch" over him.

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:18 PM
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8. This sentence here really pisses me off-
Franklin Graham warned about a creeping "liberalism" that is leading people to question the authority of Scripture.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:37 PM
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17. It pissed me off as well.
But a poster above said he wasn't speaking politically. But he also said this: "Every generation, liberalism comes into the church. Men and women take their eyes off the cross,"

He sounds as if he's upset the people are questioning the pulpit. Or that he's upset with the Pat Robertson's of the world.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:58 PM
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19. the political or non political part didn't bother me, what pissed me off was the
"How dare you question!"
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:19 PM
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9. $27 million dollar complex...just like Jesus had. The irony is unavoidable.
Somebody should inform Brother Franklin that Jesus was more than a little "liberal", built no monuments to himself, and decried the rich conservatives.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:22 PM
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11. Well if we didn't "question the authority of Scripture"
Wouldn't stoning people to death from said scripture still be taking place?
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:31 PM
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14. True.
For me, I am not only about questioning the authority of the scripture, but I am all for tearing the "authority of Scripture" up! The "authority of Scripture" has been, is, and will always be wrong!
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:30 PM
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13. He fears a new age of enlightenment and reason. All authoritarian literalists do.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:35 PM
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16. I want to know how many soldiers have died protecting this ass in Iraq.
He and his god-squad were in Iraq shortly after Shock and Awe, enjoying his "crusade".
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 01:40 PM
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18. Dogmatic Authority vs Social Progress
Its an age old story. Someone declares that they have the truth. You can't question the truth because they have it from an unimpeachable source. But then society starts doing its thing and people start to realize that some of the things this unimpeachable source claims doesn't make sense.

Some in society never really bought into the unimpeachable source so they go where their common sense tells them to go and adopt the new understanding of things. But many cling to the unimpeachable source and try to figure out how to reconcile the new understanding with the fact that the unimpeachable source got it wrong.

And then there are the old stalwarts that maintain that the unimpeachable source got it right and that there is no question that it got it right. Any that differ with this view must be party to the evil forces opposing the unimpeachable source as any that do not agree with the unimpeachable source must be hate filled evil doers.

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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-31-07 02:31 PM
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20. Evangelism is a lot like
republicans. Pick a boogie man, hate him, scare the crap out of people to keep therm in line and get their money.
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