Kirk Cameron...Fundamentalist Nut

[Windy]

Sex Ed http://electriccommentary.blogspot.com/2006/05/guest-post-kirk-cameron.html

by Kirk Cameron

Sex is everywhere these days, and kids are becoming sexualized at younger and younger ages, Part of this is caused by our wicked culture, which every good Christian should resist, but a more sinister culprit is our schools, the very place where our kids should be safest.

Sex ed in school, and perhaps more alarmingly, in many homes, is a farce that must be stopped. We know that learning about birth control, STDs, and various unclean sexual acts encourages promiscuity, but this is a minor problem. These programs make a more fundamental error in their approach, and this error is the most destructive lie that our children will hear.

The media seldom reports this one disturbing fact; These programs teach our kids that babies are the result of a male sperm joining with a female egg, combining into one single cell, and gradually growing over the course of 9 months into a human baby. This is an affront to both God and logic.

The Bible teaches us that God created man in his image, which flies in the face of this modern talk of "zygotes" and "embryos." And besides that, it makes no sense! Let's look at the facts:

1. There are one celled organisms known as "amoebas." No amoeba has ever grown into a human.

2. Heathens claim that children are the result of sexual intercourse, however, scientists have found that the overwhelming majority of sex acts, even "unprotected" sex acts, do not result in children. What we have here is a correlation/causation problem. With all of the sex taking place in this country, some children were almost certain to be born within 9 months of a sex act.

3. Jesus himself was not the result of a sex act.

Think about it. People are complex creatures with many complex parts. The eyeball, just by itself, is far to complex to have grown from a single cell. Moreover, these people would have you believe that it grew out of the same cell that produced your arms and legs, but you can't see with your arms and legs, and you can't walk on your eyes.

It says in the Bible that we are created by God, in his image. It doesn't say anything about a complex process involving sinful sexual behavior and creepy one-celled "fetuses." Doesn't it make more sense that we were placed, fully human, into the wombs of our mothers? Clearly, we are created whole, just like Adam and Eve.

I'll leave you with this final thought. We all know that the Darwinist theory of evolution is false. A lie, made up by Satan to fool unbelievers. With all of the complexity in the world it makes no sense that complex organisms evolved from one-celled organisms over billions of years.

That being said, how could you possibly have grown from a one-celled organism in a mere nine months?

The very notion of natural sexual reproduction makes even less sense than this so-called "evolution" if you think about it rationally.

It is just silly.


And wait until you see this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4&search=kirk%20cameron%2C%20banana

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Aw, man! I just finished eating dinner.

:puke:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

74. Bananas for supper again?

[Canuckistanian]

99. Banana sales up 15%

Funnily enough, banana consumption is only up by 10%.

[poverlay]

2. Cameron is mentally unhinged from having his best friend named "boner" all those years... n/t

[jgraz]

3. It's just sad

This is why we need rehab clinics for religion. This guy is fucking insane, but because he worships JEEZUS he'll never get the treatment he obviously needs.

[depakid]

13. I don't think this is religion per se -it's simply delusional behavior

which often takes the form of religiousity.

You're right though, this man is in serious need of therapy and there's no question in my mind that he suffers from some form of mental illness.

[jgraz]

17. And the difference is?

[depakid]

27. Not all religious people are delusional!

Whether or not the OP was satirical, this guy clearly has delusional thought content- and we have ample evidence of that from the "program" that the youtube blurb came from.

[jgraz]

29. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one

Or we could move the discussion over to Religion/Theology ;)

[Maat]

4. Well, that was disturbing!

I wonder what his ex-co-stars think of this lunacy.

[pstokely]

9. He got many of them fired

He got an ex-Playboy playmate fired

[Maat]

28. Wow (n/t)!

[conscious evolution]

57. I remember that

I remember thinking "Dude you're nuts!"
Sounds like he still is.

[dbackjon]

5. Please tell me this is a hoax

[Scout1071]

48. Nope. He is for real.

He's been producing and directing all the fundie "Left Behind" series.

Having seen him interviewed, as well as cast members from "Growing Pains", he wouldn't comply with many of the scripts towards the end of the series. He began to become more and more fundilmentalist and wanted his character to reflect that as well. Aside from the fact that the series had really run it's course, it sounds like Cameron became unbearable to work with near the end.

Here you go, from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirk_Cameron.com

When he was "about 17 years old" (though others say in 1990) Cameron, who was not raised in a church-going family, converted to evangelical Christianity and began to protest what he perceived as immorality in Growing Pains, ostracizing himself from his fellow cast members. He did not invite them to his wedding. A decade later, Cameron agreed to appear in a Growing Pains TV movie, and apologized to his TV family, attributing his prior behavior to his lack of maturity, according to the 2003 article <1> in Christianity Today.

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When Growing Pains ended in 1992, Cameron went on to star in The WB sitcom Kirk which premiered in 1995 and ended two years later. He has since left mainstream film and works almost exclusively in faith-themed productions, among them the post-Rapture movies Left Behind: The Movie, Left Behind II: Tribulation Force, and Left Behind: World at War. He works with Cloud Ten Pictures, a company which produces Christian-themed movies, and has starred in several of their other films, including Miracle of Cards. The Left Behind Series is probably one of Kirk's best known roles in the Cloud Ten Pictures movie productions.

Currently, Cameron partners with fellow evangelist Ray Comfort in training Christians in evangelism. The two have a ministry together called The Way of the Master, which includes a television/video series whose primary aim is to give Christians a support system for creationism and other beliefs that are not accepted within the scientific community. In the series Cameron and Comfort conduct interviews with a variety of evolution deniers. The two also conduct a live daily radio show The Way of the Master Radio Show with Minnesota talk show host Todd Friel.

[BlooInBloo]

6. The banana video I presume? An oldie but a goodie.

[dbackjon]

7. The letter - he really, really doesn't believe

That children are not the result of sex...

[AX10]

8. He could get himself a summer home in Riydah!

And stay there permanantly.

This guy is off the wall, a total fundienut!
:puke:

[Mojambo]

10. Wow. Freaky Deaky! n/t

[Raskolnik]

11. Yes, he is, but I don't think he actually wrote that.

I believe that is a parody.

He says enough stupid stuff that we probably don't need to mock him for something he *didn't* write.

[slowry]

20. Yeah if you read the comments it seems clear that's the case.

However, this parody merely takes Cameron's conclusions to their logical end (eg. the eye being too complex to come from single-celled organisms -- explain babies then lol).

[warrior1]

12. that 'kid'

instead of wasting his time on a tv show, should have been in school where he would have learned about biology and such. What a maroon.

[supernova]

14. I will never have sex

with Kirk Cameron.


:crazy: :puke:

[xchrom]

32. hey you!!

of course not -- you're too good for kirk!

[supernova]

60. Xchrom!!

:hi: :D

Thanks! :blush:

[Az]

15. Um, pretty sure thats a spoof

I mean not even Kirk is that stupid.

[Windy]

21. REally? he's not that stupid? Watch the Bananna video

I put the link on my original post.

and by the way, he and his wife have six kids from age 8 to 2....

Most not practice birth control I guess

[slowry]

45. He's that stupid, but check the comments. It's a spoof methinks. n/t

[Az]

51. Yep, I am reading some of the other blogs on the site

and they seem to be mostly atheist and skeptic blogs. Someone is spoofing Kirk.



KAHN!

[Az]

47. I am familiar with the banana argument

I even watched him and Comfort get trashed by the Rational Response squad. I still don't buy this as a genuine letter. Its just too out there. I have not heard any theist no matter how deeply buried in the text claim that sperm does not fertilize eggs and lead to babies. Its just too out there.

[marmar]

16. Why are so many former child stars such total train wrecks?

They're almost guaranteed to have drug problems (too many to mention), run-ins with the law (Brad Renfro, Todd Bridges, Frankie Muniz, Danny Bonaduce), have messy legal battles with their parents (Macauley Culkin, Lindsay Lohan) .... or become nutcase fundies (Kirk Cameron). Talk about "Growing Pains"!

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[mitchum]

88. Lack of education, the narcissistic culture of show biz, obsessive parents...

being discarded when their soft "child star" faces become adult moonfaces...

[nini]

18. Does he have kids?

how did this happen if he didn't partake in the big nasty?

[Windy]

23. He has 6...no doubt by miraculous means

divine intervention etc...

[Coexist]

58. sooo... what did they think of the ultrasounds of their developing fetus'?

[KamaAina]

54. The stork brought them

Duh! :sarcasm:

[nini]

95. for sure!! LOL

:D

[Parche]

19. Captain Kirk

He has become completely brainwashed by that thing he calls a 'bible' but is nothing
more then a fictional book.................

[silverweb]

22. Pathetic.

[idgiehkt]

24. "creepy one celled fetuses"?

good lord, at any part in the process does anything involved consist only of one cell? I mean, sperm and eggs are more than one cell, right? Sorry if a stupid question, maybe they are unicellular but at the point they become an embryo...now I'm confusing myself, wonder if there are any biologists in here. He had to be on drugs when he wrote this.

"It says in the Bible that we are created by God, in his image. It doesn't say anything about a complex process involving sinful sexual behavior and creepy one-celled "fetuses." Doesn't it make more sense that we were placed, fully human, into the wombs of our mothers? Clearly, we are created whole, just like Adam and Eve."

If I didn't know better I would say he was making an argument for spontaneous generation...
:shrug:

[Berry Cool]

25. This has GOT to be a hoax.

I mean, we all know fundies have no love for science, but this goes beyond that and all the way around the bend!

It reminds me of the ancients who thought the entire baby was contained in the male sperm cell and that women functioned simply as "vessels" to house the baby contained within a sperm cell until it was capable of living on its own.

He doesn't believe in cell multiplication and differentiation? He doesn't believe babies come from people having sex? He believes they are just placed into their mothers' wombs, wholly formed, by God?

He believes all sex is sinful?

His marriage must be loads of fun.

[Missy Vixen]

26. We've managed to find the only man in America

who doesn't want to have sex.

>He believes all sex is sinful?

His marriage must be loads of fun.<

I wonder what his wife thinks about all this. Then again, I'm sure he doesn't allow her to speak. It wouldn't be "submissive" or "Biblical".

Julie

[idgiehkt]

50. pretty funny for a guy who went to church initially for

the express purpose of picking up chicks, or a chick, to be specific.

[Bjornsdotter]

30. I'm not sure

...who Kirk Cameron is but I don't think we should make fun of the retarded. It's just not sporting.

Cheers

[XOKCowboy]

31. Whether KC wrote it or not, millions of fundies will read it and go....

"Hmmm that makes sense". That's the scary part.

Microscopes. Tools of Satan. :banghead:

[Monk06]

33. The human dick designed by God to perfectly fit in the hand, slightly curved to

fit perfectly in the mouth without squirting
you in the face.....

The man's describing a blow job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4&search=kirk%20cameron%2C%20banana

[Quixote1818]

41. This video shows a wild Banana which has seeds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLqQttJinjo&NR=1

[Bucky]

122. See how God designed the human penis to perfectly fit in the spout of a 32 oz. Gatorade bottle?

sorry, no pictures with this thread.

[gollygee]

34. I'll see his banana and raise him a pineapple and a coconut

ROFL @ the "guest commentary" thing.

[JoePhilly]

64. And maybe he can explain my fruit allergy!

[cynatnite]

35. Proof that religion is harmful n/t

[Az]

38. Can be, not is n/t

[The Stranger]

56. No, it is as well.

[Clark2008]

36. This has to be a joke.

He doesn't believe sex causes babies? He thinks God placed us, fully-human, into the wombs of our mothers?

:eyes:

I need to have him over to view my ultra-sounds. As a high-risk mother, I've had tons and I can show him the growth from a zygote to an infant.

[Berry Cool]

84. OK, this will make you laugh.

When I first read "I have tons," I thought it was a reference to your being able to disprove Kirk's disbelief that sex causes babies. And not because you have tons of ultrasounds. Or tons of babies. :rofl:

[Clark2008]

97. I feel like I weigh tons!!

:rofl:

But, you'd be proud. Despite the fact that I have a 9-pound kid in my gut right now, I have only gained 30 pounds. :)

[Frank Cannon]

113. It's gotta be

Not even George W. Bush is so fucking stupid that he doesn't know that sex makes babies. And I suspect that Kirk Cameron is smarter than George W. Bush.

[Bucky]

123. If you follow the link, the *actual* author admits this is a spoof.

the guy who wrote the spoof doesn't hide the fact that this is spoofing Cameron's "it's just not logical" pseudo-arguments against evolution.

[Quixote1818]

37. So, are we not suposed to eat peaches then?

After all, they are not built to fit in our hands! :shrug:

[Canuckistanian]

76. And how does he explain watermelons?

They must be the fruit of Satan by that logic.

[Homer12]

39. So when people use banana's for Sex acts

Did god make it to fit into vagina's easily as well?

[JoePhilly]

62. This video also seemed like an endorsement of BJs.

[and-justice-for-all]

40. From TV Child star to snake oil salesman...

..What a career move.

"Kirk Cameron...Fundamentalist Nut" and uneducated dumbass.

[and-justice-for-all]

42. What a fuckin' idiot...nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

43. Who's he trying to kid?

Back in the eighties, that guy had sex with more underage groupies than New Kids on the Block.

[Dastard Stepchild]

44. Methinks Kirk would benefit from a sex ed class...

He might then understand enough about the woman's ovulatory cycle to comprehend why not every sex act leads to a child.

Kirk scares me. <shudder>

[Coexist]

46. ....

...........:argh:

[skipos]

49. "We know that learning about... STDs... encourages promiscuity"

Yeah, learning about this:

really made me want to go do the nasty.
:eyes:

[Fridays Child]

52. Kirk Cameron: deeply closeted...

...PSYCHOPATH

[The Stranger]

53. He suffers from mental illness and preys upon others in a very insidious, vile and subtle way.

[shallowthroat]

55. So WTF is a embryo then?

Because I don't look like one.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

59. Just when you think you've read the dumbest thing ever...

This shit comes along and busts all your illusions of the world. Who could possibly be this dumb? I can't fathom it.
On edit: Just when you think you've HEARD the dumbest thing ever...You watch this. Kirk Cameron is an idiot. There's no other way to put it.
Duckie

[KatyaR]

61. So if you don't have to have sex to have a baby, why haven't there been

millions of virgin births?

:shrug:

Or maybe there HAVE been, and we just don't know it because the woman is married and we just ASSUME she's having sex.

:rolf:

Kirk, babe, go back to making lousy TV shows and leave reality and reproduction to those who truly understand it.

Who would possibly take sexual advice from a maroon like this? Geez . . . .

:rolf:

[Crunchy Frog]

63. The only thing that I can think

is that Cameron has been engaged in a long and diabolically complex act of guerilla theater in which he is doing a magnificent parody of a fundie nutcase. He must be just on the verge of jumping out and saying "boo!". I can't imagine he can sustain the facade for much longer with this new "homunculus" theory of human reproduction.

I must say that the man is either insane or brilliant (or both).

Edit: Aw damn, just saw from the comments that it was somebody else's parody. Well, it was a fun few seconds.

2nd edit: It says alot about how far our culture has descended that so many people (including myself) actually bought that this was real. There's almost nothing left that's so outrageous that some fundie isn't really saying it.

[Cush]

65. his website: "Way of the Master"

http://www.wayofthemaster.com/

Click on one of the 3 numbered Icons...scary stuff

[Tekla West]

126. where is the

Kool-Aid recipe they seem to be drinking from?

[smtpgirl]

66. Never liked Kirk Cameron anyway but, that dude

is on the way to insanity.

Did Kirk ever study science?

I guess Science is the work of "heathens" too, hope you don't have an antibiotic resistant disease strain, 'cause Kirk dude, you are going to DIE!!

Vancomycin is the strongest antibiotic. Soon some in some people, that will not work either. Kirk, do you have an anwser for a antibiotic that will kill the most resistant strains of infection.

Maybe he will end up in a hospital with a virulent strain of staph!!

[smtpgirl]

67. Maybe that "one" cell is the miracle of birth!!!

[smtpgirl]

68. I guess he is also "pro-life"

where a fetus is a "human", oh my dear Kirk, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!!!!

So he is against the "pro-lifers" picketing and destroying abortion clinics too!!

[insane_cratic_gal]

69. So babies aren't from a result of sex

but are a result of god?

. Heathens claim that children are the result of sexual intercourse, however, scientists have found that the overwhelming majority of sex acts, even "unprotected" sex acts, do not result in children. What we have here is a correlation/causation problem. With all of the sex taking place in this country, some children were almost certain to be born within 9 months of a sex act.


Um last I checked I never heard of case of immaculate conception except once, and well I doubt that story.

but can i just say you know Kirk has to be a total bondage freak in the bedroom.

but wow he's either an total idiot who never took a science course, or he's hard core on the koolaid.:crazy:

[Maestro]

73. What an idiotic, insane and just plain stupid thing to say.

Kirk has gone completely nucking futs! Of course, I already knew that.

[Berry Cool]

85. Actually, that's not what "immaculate conception" refers to

but I get your point anyway.

[shallowthroat]

70. Irreducible complexity

"Think about it. People are complex creatures with many complex parts. The eyeball, just by itself, is far to complex to have grown from a single cell. Moreover, these people would have you believe that it grew out of the same cell that produced your arms and legs, but you can't see with your arms and legs, and you can't walk on your eyes."

Ok. Let's think about it....

Excerpt from "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins starting on page 123

"Darwin singled out the eye as posing a particularly challenging problem: 'To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.' Creationists gleefully quote this sentence again and again. Needless to say, they never quote what follows. Darwin's fulsomely free confession turned out to be a rhetorical device. He was drawing his opponents towards him so that his punch, when it came, struck the harder. The punch, of course, was Darwin's effortless explanation of exactly how the eye evolved by gradual degrees. Darwin may not have used the phrase 'irreducible complexity' or 'the smooth gradient up Mount Improbable', but he clearly understood the principle of both.

'What is the use of half an eye?' and 'What is the use of half a wing?' are both instances of the argument from 'irreducible complexity'. A functioning unit is said to be irreducibly complex if the removal of one of the parts causes the whole to cease functioning. This has been assumed to be self-evident for both eyes and wings. But as soon as we give these assumptions a moment's thought, we immediately see the fallacy. A cataract patient with the lens of her eye surgically removed can't see clear images without glasses, but can see enough not to bump into a tree or fall over a cliff. Half a wing is indeed not as good as a whole wing, but it is certainly better than no wing at all. Half a wing could save your life by ceasing your fall from a tree of a certain height. And 51 percent of a wing could save you from a fall from a slightly taller tree. Whatever fraction of a wing you have, there is a fall from which it will save your life where a slightly smaller winglet will not. The thought experiment of trees of different height, from which one might fall, is just one way to see, in theory, that there must be a smooth gradient of advantage all the way from 1 per cent of a wing to 100 per cent. The forests are replete with gliding and parachuting animals illustrating, in practice, every step of the way up that particular slope of Mount Improbable.

By analogy with the trees of different height, it is easy to imagine situations in which half an eye would save the life of an animal where 49 per cent of an eye would not. Smooth gradients are provided by variations in lightning conditions, variations in the distance at which you catch sight of your prey - or your predators. And, as with wings and flight surfaces, plausible intermediates are not only easy to imagine: they are abundant all around the animal kingdom. A flatworm has an eye that, by any sensible measure, is less than half a human eye. Nautilus (and perhaps its extinct ammonite cousins who dominated Paleozoic and Mesozoic seas) has an eye that is intermediate in quality between flatworm and human. Unlike the flatworm eye, which can detect light and shade but see no image, the Nautilus 'pinhole camera' eye makes a real image; but it is a blurred and dim image compared to ours. It would be spurious precision to put numbers on the improvement, but nobody could sanely deny that these invertebrate eyes, and many others, are all better than no eye at all, and all lie on a continuous and shallow slope up Mount Improbable, with our eyes near a peak - not the highest peak but a high one.

End excerpt.

IF THIS EXCERPT INTRIGUES YOU PLEASE GO OUT AND BUY THE BOOK!!! People like Mr Dawkins deserves the support.

However, I do suppose that seems pretty far-fetched. I mean relative to an omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent entity of unknown origin who decided to create all of us in HIS image it does seem like a pathetic attempt at arriving at the truth.

And now I shall quote a great hero of mine, one Master Shake, who is also a master of talking nonsense, in a parting address to Mr. Cameron:

"So why don't you go back to the time before Christ, a.k.a. next door, your house."

[Fuzz]

71. What. . the. . .fuck? It is just silly is absolutely right

That doesn't even make any sense.

[Warren DeMontague]

72. My God. They're really, really, really, REALLY headed into fucking loony-tunes territory, huh?

How does this Pinheaded fucking would-be genius explain In Vitro Fertilization and all the kids born from frozen embryos?

I've said it before, I'll say it again: I don't give a shit WHAT Anyone wants to personally believe, but these flat-Earth Chuckle fucks need to be kept FAR AND AWAY from decisions pertaining to public education.

[Initech]

75. You'd think these pro-lifers would be pro sex education, anti violence.

At least that's the way I'd see it. :eyes:

[cynatnite]

79. If you don't know how to have sex you're not going to do it...

:shrug: maybe that's their reasoning.

[Initech]

119. Yeah, but aren't these the same people who want us to have as many babies as possible?

Talk about hypocritical...

[Canuckistanian]

77. O M G

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

78. Hard to fathom that so many believe this is real

& not the obvious parody it is.

[slowry]

81. Well it IS ridiculous

but for the most part, they're his arguments carried to their logical conclusion. Like when he says the eye is so complex, it couldn't have come from something so basic as single-celled organisms (and that's not even the dumbest of his claims).

[A-Schwarzenegger]

82. There's a difference between seeing the point of a parody

& believing that parody to be real.

[mitchum]

94. But it really is no less nutty than any other religous delusions...

which makes its obvious parodic quality somewhat less obvious

[Warren DeMontague]

96. C'mon, man. This is the guy who says the shape of a banana "proves" evolution to be a lie.

I fail to see how this stuff is so far removed that it's ludicrous to think he might actually say it, too.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

98. Yeah, some peoples, they believes ANYthing!

Tee hee.

[walldude]

100. Including, apparently, many gullible DU'ers... n/t

[A-Schwarzenegger]

102. They were pretending to believe it was real

in order to do a parody of fundamentalist nuts who believe anything.

[Warren DeMontague]

104. Oh, I'll fully admit that I entertained the notion that it was real.

Whether that reflects badly on me or the Dinosaurs-on-Noah's Ark crowd, I suppose is in the eye of the beholder.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

106. Is there a third choice for the eye of the beholder?

[Warren DeMontague]

112. Yes.

It's right up there at the pineal gland.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

117. "In the pursuit of learning, every day something is acquired.

In the pursuit of Tao, every day something is dropped."

--LeBron James

[Warren DeMontague]

121. Hey, that's good.

I'll have to remember to forget it at my earliest inconvenience!

[A-Schwarzenegger]

127. Tao means to be forgotten at earliest inconveniece..

The Tao believed in is not the Tao.

[walldude]

107. LMFAO....

dude, a couple more of comments like that and I'm gonna need a new moniter...

[Warren DeMontague]

103. Y'know, if someone explains to me why *this* is really all that much more ludicrous than what the

guy actually HAS said... like, that the shape of a banana *proves* evolution to be false-- then yeah, I'll consider feeling embarrassed or even "gullible" for entertaining the notion that this was for real.

But until then, the reason I think this satire is so effective is because really, it's not all that more nutty than the shit these clowns are trying to pass off as "science" on a regular basis.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

105. Well, if I had got tooken in by it, I would figure out a way to show how the guy

getting parodied was beyond getting parodied, too, so therefore anybody could have got tooken in by it, if I had got tooken in by it.

[Warren DeMontague]

109. Oh, come on. We're talking about the kid from fucking "Growing Pains" who thinks bananas prove

evolutionary science to be wrong.

You really think it's that much of a stretch?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

115. Who eats more bananas, monkeys or peoples?

Monkeys. Therefore, evolution must be a ingredient of bananas,
but why hasn't no monkeys turned into a human for 6000 years then?
Are the monkeys eating less bananas now then than? Ipso facto.

[walldude]

111. Ok let me see if I can explain

While I agree that most of what the fundie nuts believe is pretty out there, if they actually believed this then in their minds there would be no need to have sex... ever. It would negate their position that sex for pure pleasure and not pro-creation is a sin. Fundies are very careful to take positions that require "faith" in the bible and in their leaders. The reason they get away with challenging evolution is there are some holes in the "theory" of evolution, there are no holes in the "theory" of how babies are made.

[Warren DeMontague]

114. See, the reason I think they wouldn't get behind something like this is ONLY

because it's so easily shown to be factually incorrect.

If it wasn't pretty damn easy in real time to prove that the Earth is round, you'd still have these numbnuts saying that it was flat. What it boils down to, as far as I can tell, is that if the truth bumps up against their fundy belief system, they will try to fight it or ignore it until it's humanly impossible- so I was surprised that he would be saying something like this precisely because it's so easily disproved. But not THAT surprised.

Hell, people sometimes think this is a real site:


http://www.geocities.com/preconceivedbabies/

and I have never been able to get a scientifically solid answer from a hard-core pro-lifer as to why, if you're going to run around granting rights under the 14th amendment to single cells, they don't have something of a legitimate point.

[Bucky]

124. Ha!! "...there are no holes in the 'theory' of how babies are made..."

I'll bet you didn't meant to phrase it quite like that.

[Warren DeMontague]

101. It's sort of like suggesting that Fred Phelps would protest his own funeral.

It's off the mark, but not by all that much.

[slowry]

110. Agreed; that's why I pointed it out up-thread.

But this stuff isn't that much nuttier than most of what he says, and that was my only point -- not that unbelievable.

[Cush]

87. edit: nm

[A-Schwarzenegger]

89. I dont find the essay in the OP at any of those sites you list. In fact,

the co-owner of the electriccommentary blog admits that he wrote it and why:

"All that I'm doing here is pointing out that many anti-evolution arguments apply quite well to arguing against gestation....(M)y intention ... was to use humor to point out a logical contradiction. Now maybe it wasn't that funny, which is always a risk, but it's not so crude as to be a simple insult."

By the way, did you hear about this nut Jonathan Swift who's going around eating babies to control overpopulation. Although, come to think of it, maybe that's not such a bad idea.

[DemGa]

80. Please tell me no one really thinks this is real

cause if so, I'm in some kind of bizarro inverse freeperworld.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

83. I wish I could tell you that.

[Warren DeMontague]

90. And what, precisely, is the difference between this and a 6,000 year old Earth?

Or dinosaurs on Noah's Ark?

Sorry- these folks have already demonstrated a willingness to believe in some really ridiculous shit. They parody themselves.

[mitchum]

86. Damn, apparently on-set tutoring for kid "actors" is as shitty as fundy...

homeschooling.

[mudesi]

91. I hope Kirk never, EVER, reproduces (if he hasn't already) (nm)

[Colobo]

92. I'm glad he has an opinion, even if it is stupid.

[Blashyrkh]

93. Thanks. I needed a laugh

"1. There are one celled organisms known as "amoebas." No amoeba has ever grown into a human."

OMGOMGOMultimatehax0rxszOMGOMG. No shit dickhead.

[Dogmudgeon]

108. It's a GAG

When I was in collage, I wrote a satirical piece on "Scientific Baby Creationism".

In 1978.

We had a bio prof who was a Creationist. What else could I do?

This wasn't even particularly original for me, either -- one of my English professors had seen something like it from the 1930s, the first time the fanatics tried to slime their way back into the Educational system.

It's a venerable gag, like "Dihydrogen Monoxide" was (for the first three million times, anyway).

--p!

[illinoisprogressive]

116. What the hell happened to him since the 80s???

[Occulus]

118. Well, he could be superficially correct, but for all the wrong reasons

Our society is oversexualized- one might say, hypersexualized, but ont in a good nor a healthy way: we push, push, push for the 'perfect body' on television and in magazines, yet at the same time frown upon "flaunting" it (via nudity or "obscene materials"); we push push push for the "perfect body" and yet at the same time push people to eat at McD's and Wendy's and BK and Gastric Hell Taco Bell...

And then there's what's put into our food, and all the drugs we give kids to keep them 'normal', some of which are thought to screw with the reproductive system in the first place.......

I could go on and on. But he is correct in that in the long run all this- let's call it manipulation and overconsumption- cannot be a good thing for society.

None of this in any way excuses or minimizes the fact that Cameron is a batshit crazy fundy nutcase. As I said at the beginning, he could be at least on the surface correct... but for all the wrong reasons.

[misanthrope]

120. Isn't "fundamentalist nut" redundant?**nm

**

[LibDemAlways]

125. Kirk and his wife Chelsea used to live next door to

a good friend of mine and I met them a couple of times back when they had just adopted their first child. Believe that they now have 6 children, 4 of them adopted.

That blog entry was satire.

Kirk is actually a nice enough guy. He never once mentioned his religious beliefs to my friend and her husband, who is an athiest. He socialized with them and with his Growing Pains cast-member friends.

Although I don't share his beliefs, I think he is sincere about them. Not that he isn't fair game for criticism, but I think there are far worse out there.