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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:02 AM
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The options: withdrawal from Iraq in one year or 50
Analysis

No Easy Way Out of Iraq

by Steve Inskeep and Ted Koppel

Morning Edition, June 1, 2007 · A senior Army officer says that U.S. troops will be in Iraq for three to five years — at least. Can President Bush devise a plan for Iraq that is acceptable to Iraqi leaders but sustainable at home?


That's because Bush is leading everyone around like poodles:

The U.S. military is in the hands of crackpot commanders; see benefit of Korea model

Now back to the merits—or rather demerits—of the analogy. In 1950, the United States beat back North Korea's invasion of South Korea, became embroiled in a Chinese-assisted guerrilla war, fought the Communists to a stalemate, and, in 1953, after suffering 54,000 combat deaths, negotiated a truce (but not a formal peace). Ever since, American troops—at present, 37,000 of them, stationed at 95 installations across the Korean peninsula—have remained on guard at the world's most heavily armed border.

In 2003, the United States invaded Iraq, overthrew its regime (which posed a hypothetical threat), and, in the four years since, has kept about 150,000 troops in the country to kill terrorists (who weren't in Iraq before the war), to train the Iraqi army (which the Bush administration, for still-mysterious reasons, dismantled at the occupation's outset), and to keep a "low-grade" sectarian civil war (which erupted amid a vacuum of authority) from boiling over.

In the half-century-plus since the Korean armistice of 1953, just 90 U.S. soldiers have been killed in isolated border clashes in Korea. In the mere four years since the toppling of Saddam Hussein in 2003, more than 3,000 American servicemen and women have been killed, and the number rises every day.


Despite the madness of civilian and military leaders, the troops know the Bush's strategy is a failure:

John Stolz of votevets.org contrasts John Kerry's visits to the troops with Joe Lieberman's

Marine who served: End war to honor troops

With allies in enemy ranks, GIs in Iraq are no longer true believers

Iraq war vets could face disciplinary action over protests


Enter Kissinger with his rationalizations. Kissinger is trying to argue that the U.S. military can't withdraw 120,000 troops from Iraq in a year when the best estimate is that there are only a few thousand foreign fighters in the country. Yet it took only three years to withdraw more than a half million troops from Vietnam with "more than 600,000 armed communist forces" on the ground fighting. Actually, Nixon withdrew about 300,000 troops from Vietnam in about a year (Another timeline). Kissinger briefly mentions Cambodia, but not that Nixon's secret bombing campaign made the situation in the region worse.


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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:04 AM
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1. 50 years - the way I think the bushies see it
is if we wait to pull out 50 years from now, the terrorists will be too old to follow us home
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Rydz777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:14 AM
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2. Excellent post. When we invaded Iraq, how long did it take us
to capture Baghdad? A couple of weeks as I recall. We can move fast when we have the incentive to do so. The problem is that our "leaders" and "thinkers" don't want to move at all. If ordered to move out by commanders who were serious about it, our forces could move out "double time" and in good order. And cutting the funding would provide a serious incentive. Out NOW.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:15 AM
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3. The U.S. Embassy--Ten football fields worth of land--should be
the number one topic of discussion that no "news" agency puts into the mix of stay/withdraw. The fact is, as long as we're occupying such a swath, we are never ever going to leave...not in 50, 100, or 150 years. We'll continue to put taxpayer dollars in there by the billions. We'll continue to run covert and special operations with the 'evil-doers' in Iran, Syria, and elsewhere in the ME. Then, when retaliation ensues, Americans will be shocked and surprised collectively asking, "Why do they hate us?"

The biggest difference between Iraq and Vietnam is we didn't claim safe-haven territory when we left.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 03:19 PM
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4. Jon Stoltz on Countdown was great. That was amazing when
he just threw out Sen. Kerry's name like that, contrasting him with Lieberman.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 07:14 PM
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5. Expanded in this
Daily Kos diary.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-01-07 10:00 PM
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6. War in Iraq cannot be won: former army chief
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:57 AM
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7. Kick! n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 12:27 PM
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8. Murtha Says He Has ‘Lost A Lot Of Confidence’ In Military Leaders, Including Petraeus
Posted here.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-03-07 02:43 PM
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9. The End Of The Beginning
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