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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 08:57 AM
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I'm feeling paranoid this morning
So I hear on CNN that toothpaste imported from China is now a danger, as it contains things bad for humans. Am I the only one seeing a trend here? I'm wondering what is going on here. Is this just carelessness on our and China's part? Is this just a way to test how to poison us as a nation and how to slip things into our food supply? Or this China's way of trying to, maybe, influence our government's decision making, like a threat of what could happen. Or is it just a case of the MSM picking up on things that have been going on for years and running with it now?

What say you all?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:02 AM
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1. What does a paranoid have in common
.... with the all-knowing master of time space and dimension that secretly controls all of our lives?
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Right, like you don’t know.
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:09 AM
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8. Fnord
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:02 AM
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2. They're building a tunnel under the Pacific too
I saw it on TV. The toothpaste is just to make Americans malleable so they'll sacrifice private property and live in People's Communes. They're going to give Russia Alaska and let the French have Canada back to keep things sweet with Europe. The big picture's just beginning to emerge.
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:09 AM
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7. Well as long as I won't have to speak French...n/t
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dave_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:44 AM
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12. They may make you do that too
... just out of fiendishness.
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Giant Robot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:58 AM
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15. Those bastards! n/t
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:04 AM
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3. I just looked at my tube of Crest...
it's made in Mexico. Was it made from ingredients purchased from China? Can't tell from the label.

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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:06 AM
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4. Never underestimate the incompetence & greed of human beings.
I don't think it's a conspiracy. I think it's a lack of standards, a lack of care & concern & lots of greed.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:07 AM
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5. Test?
If they wanted to and maybe they already are doing it. They could bring this nation to it's knees.
We have sent all our jobs to China, sources everything possible and some things not thought possible from China. They own most of the debt in this country.
Our business and government leaders have screen us.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:08 AM
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6. I'd assume it's the last of those
That there's been problems with imports for awhile - probably "only" due to quality-control issues - and that we're starting to notice them more and more since a few imports were found to be spectacularly suspect. We saw that, started looking, and are noticing more of them now.

I don't think it's an active, deliberate program or anything; don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity, etc.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:11 AM
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9. It keeps the fear level up, especially the fear of things foreign
They want to accustom us to the fact that government now serves the elite and the rest of us are on our own. No more FDA or any agency whose former job it was to contribute to the common good or protect our health and well-being. Our tax dollars go to the top 2-percenters via Iraq and stay there.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:12 AM
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10. China's friends with Iran
No?
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Annces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:14 AM
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11. They have low low low standards for product quality
I hope when civilizations start crumbling, the Chinese government gets the worst of it.
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Red Zelda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:51 AM
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13. why ... WHY...?
Edited on Sat Jun-02-07 09:51 AM by Red Zelda
are we importing toothpaste from China?
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 02:46 PM
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18. Well its not just toothepaste.
Edited on Sat Jun-02-07 02:54 PM by snagglepuss
Adulterated wheat flour, gluten, honey is coming in by the boatload. There's lots of ingredients in our processed food and medicine that is now only processed in China, one alarming thing I read is that almost all Vitamin C is now made in China.
The problem that consumers face is that manufactures aren't required to say where their ingredients come from and it seems manufacturers don't often know where their ingredients are made because they buy from traders.

Toothpaste story

http://www.latimes.com/features/health/nutrition/la-fi-toothpaste2jun02,1,745491.story?coll=la-health-nutrition-news&ctrack=1&cset=true
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 09:54 AM
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14. Use baking soda and per oxide.
Mix them together into a paste.

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 11:47 AM
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17. Here is what an actual dentist, Dr. Paul H. Keyes suggests we do...
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Here are a few comments on the subject of dentifrices.

Why use a dentifrice?

Many years ago, in a terrible decision, the Council on Dental Therapeutic of the ADA said the sole purpose of a dentifrice was to aid in the removal of food particles from tooth surfaces. The council objected to the inclusion of antibacterial agents in toothpastes. At that time (1930s) some manufacturers were adding antibacterial agents to the dentifrices they were producing. “Kolynos,” for instance, contained thymol, if my memory serves me, and it was to be used on a dry brush. In my in vitro testing of the ingredients in this product when I was at the National Institutes of Health (NIH), I found that this formulation had a very good antibacterial potential. In my opinion the advertisements for this toothpaste were the best I have ever seen. I may still have some of the photographs of some of these advertisements that I used to show when I was giving lectures. After the council’s ruling the JADA no longer carried these excellently focused ads for a very good product for its time.

I mention this because the primary dental health benefits attained by using a dentifrice are derived from its potential to do the following: to disorganize, disperse, detoxify, and thereby decontaminate the pathogenic bacterial biofilms that colonize tooth-surfaces and gingival crevices. The mechanical action of brushing, flossing, tooth-picking, mouth-rinsing, and conventional irrigation can reduce bacterial biofilms somewhat, but these methods have no bactericidal action, per se. If a person’s mouth has not been contaminated with pathogenic microorganisms, intensive self-care measures are not necessary. However, since reliable methods for assessing bacterial risk factors in the mouth are not readily available,* it seems prudent to use a self-care regimen that has a reliable anti-infective potential. The pathogenic bacteria that colonize one's teeth are acquired largely by the transfer of contaminated saliva from another person’s mouth usually by kissing. Adequate usage of the products listed below will kill many of these microorganisms, if they have been transferred.

*See BANA Bacterial Home Test.

The secondary benefits are cosmetic: to remove stains from tooth surfaces – to keep tooth surfaces white – pleasing to the eyes. Unfortunately these benefits are the ones most highly advertised. To find a good example of this with audio accompaniment bring up the web site on Kolynos dentifice. Somehow the manufactures got off track.

Over the centuries by trying different substances for “tooth-cleaning” people have found some that have made their teeth and gums look and feel better. Some very beneficial combinations have been formulated without any understanding of the therapeutic properties of the ingredients used.

In the material that follows I have tried to provide a little insight into the therapeutic potential of some of these substances. Properly used they equal and often surpass the formulations found in many commercial dentifrices. They many not be as tasty or as convenient to use, but they can be far superior therapeutically.

Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda), a product used for many years by itself or in combination with other ingredients has several excellent properties. As a soft crystalline substance that dissolves readily, it has a mild abrasive potential. In solution it will kill on contact all of the motile microorganisms associated with periodontal infections, e.g. spirochetes, motile rods, etc. It will also kill other disease related bacteria. It will also neutralize and detoxify the bacterial acids and toxins that form in plaques (bacterial biofilms). I would put this inexpensive, readily available, product at the very top of the list of potentially beneficial dentifrice-ingredients.

Sodium chloride (table salt) Like baking soda, salt has been used for many years as a dentifrice, alone or in combination. When used alone it is rather stingy and unless milled, rather grainy. It is not highly abrasive, contrary to some opinions. In solution at higher concentrations it will kill on contact all motile microorganisms associated with periodontal infections. However, its antibacterial potential, while good, is not as powerful as that of sodium bicarbonate, and it will not detoxify bacterial byproducts. In higher concentrations it will reduce edema in the gingival tissues and stimulate circulation.

Glycerin Glycerin has an antibacterial potential, which is not well recognized. When living bacterial dental plaque is examined with a phase contrast microscope, all of the motile microorganisms (spirochetes, amoebae, motile rods, tricohmonads, etc) can be seen actively moving about. If a drop of glycerin is add to the solution in which the bacterial are living, all motility instantly ceases. In the scientific literature some of the antibacterial properties of glycerin have been described.

Hydrogen peroxide. When hydrogen peroxide comes into contact with dentobacterial plaques, it breaks down very rapidly into oxygen and water. This breakdown, which causes the foaming action, is caused by an enzyme (catalase). This foaming action does two things: It helps to disorganize and disperse the bacterial biofilms growing on tooth surfaces, and it reveals places where bacteria are located. When used as an ingredient in dentifrices, it has little, if any, bactericidal action. It breaks down too rapidly.

Vinegar Vinegar is another product that has been used for dental hygiene for many years. A half strength solution of vinegar (apple cider for taste) will pickle all of the motile bacteria mentioned above, and it will help to dissolve deposits of calculus. For persons whose dental hygiene does not reduce the buildup of bacterial plaques adequately, some of this buildup may harden into calculus. Brushing several time a week with a vinegar solution can help to prevent calculus formation.

Cranberry juice Unsweetened cranberry juice can be used as mouthwash and as a solution for brushing one's teeth. It will kill all motile bacteria on contact and help to disintegrate plaques. Since it is somewhat acidic, probably it should not be used more then a few times a week. It is pleasant to use and can be swallowed. This juice can be used as a rinse and then swallowed. Brushing the teeth with cranberry juice leaves the teeth and mouth feeling very fresh and clean. After brushing one can rinse again and expectorate or swallow the juice. For the care of handicapped persons who cannot manage conventional oral hygiene measures, this could be a pleasant solution for caregivers to use. It is tasty and can be swallowed.

Neutrogena Soap (unscented) About 25 years ago a dentist on the West Coast called my attention to the use of unscented Neutrogena soap as an ingredient in a homemade dentifrice. When a solution of this soap comes into contact with the motile microorganisms in plaques all motility ceases rapidly. To use, rub dry or moisten bristles over a bar of this soap. The unscented type tastes soapy. The scented tastes awful.

Weak solution of sodium hypochlorite (e.g. Clorox) One teaspoon in a pint of water provides a very powerful irrigation solution (DO NOT INGEST). The taste is very unpleasant, but it can be very beneficial in the maintenance-regimen for persons who have been treated for periodontal diseases. Brushing the teeth with baking soda after using this solution will rapidly neutralize its taste. Then one can rinse with a pleasant tasting mouthwash.

There are numerous ways the ingredients mentioned above may be used alone or in combination. With their antibacterial potentials they can be very beneficial therapeutically, if properly applied to tooth surfaces and gingival crevices. They will help to control the bacterial populations that cannot be removed mechanically with irrigation, brushing, flossing, or tooth picking.

A very powerful antibacterial combination:

Add glycerin to baking soda to form a pasty mixture that can be applied to a toothbrush with a spoon or other instrument.

Put a capful of hydrogen peroxide in a tumbler.
Moisten bristles of toothbrush (mulitufted) by dipping in peroxide
Rub moistened bristles over cake of unscented Neutrogena soap
Cover bristles with soda-glycerin mixture.
While watching in a mirror brush cheek-sides and tongue-sides of teeth
Redip brush in peroxide as needed
Work mixture between teeth with a flat toothpick or Butler stimulator
A few drops of wintergreen oil could be added to the glycerin-soda mixture for flavor

Over the years when I was lecturing, I asked thousands of dentists and hygienists to raise there hands if they had ever seen destructive periodontal disease in person who had regularly brushed with salt and/or soda. I have never seen a hand! And although I have not seen many such cases, the periodontal health in these patients has always been excellent. I have photographs of a lady who was 95 at the time I saw her. She lived to be over 100.

Regards,
Dr. Paul H. Keyes


Dr. Keyes is the founder of the International Dental Health Foundation
Education: D.D.S., University of Pennsylvania School of Dental Medicine (1941); B.A., University of Rochester (1944); M.S. in Anatomy, University of Rochester (1945); Fellowship in Orthodontics, Harvard University School of Dental Medicine (1948).

http://mizar5.com/keyes.html

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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 04:46 PM
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21. Vodka - cheapo brand. Apply after brushing. Swish, gargle, and spit.
Kills bacteria and keeps your mouth "breathalyzer fresh" all morning.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 10:03 AM
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16. You're not paranoid....everybody really is out to get you!
:rofl:

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating." That's the real quote, BTW, not "The proof is in the pudding." The proof is only in the pudding when investigating a murder due to poisoning. And that represents the American problem. When profit overrides every other concern, quality will suffer. In the recent cases, Americans are starting to learn what happens when "cheap" is all you care about. Unfortunately, when "quality" in food and personal hygeine products slips, people get sick and die.

Quo erat demonstratum (sorry, my latin ain't so pretty good :)). The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If you survive, that is.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 02:51 PM
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19. It's not paranoia if it's actually happening. nt
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-02-07 04:41 PM
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20. "Crest has been shown to be an effective decay=preventive...
...dentrifice that can be of significant value when used in a consciously-applied program of oral hygiene and regular professional care."

Stuff like THIS I remember. But I couldn't tell you my own phone number if you held a gun to my head. Go figure.
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