Iraqi War Top Issue of Democratic Debate: CNN

[liberalnurse]

Please think about what I have been posting for the past 10 days or so regarding the Congressional Democratic Vote for the Iraqi War Bill.

This is why.....Because all of their campaigns are built on the catastrophe of the GOP Iraq War agenda. This headline should help validate this observation.

They, the Democratic Candidates, both current Presidential and future Congressional, could not afford to end the War too soon for two reasons:

First, they already wrote/invested funds in their campaign strategy of being against the War; before November 06 or shortly after the" Blue Sweep" of 06.

Secondly, they need more time to illustrate to the now attentive American voter that this War is a complete failure of the GOP. This is a rally around the flag-pole issue for all candidates! Kind of sticking the sword into the gut of the GOP.

CNN Headlines, the debates and all campaign trail stump speeches focus their energy around this issue. It sells!

War front-and-center as candidates prepare for debates

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/03/nh.debates/index.html

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MANCHESTER, New Hampshire (CNN) -- What will New Hampshire voters be listening for when 18 presidential hopefuls square off Sunday and Tuesday in presidential debates? It depends on whom you ask, but on one issue, there is widespread agreement: People want to hear about Iraq.

"Certainly, they want to hear about the war," said New Hampshire state Sen. Lou D'Allesandro, a Manchester Democrat. "What is your position on the war? Where are we going with regard to the war? More and more servicemen are dying everyday, and people are seeing that.

[StudentProgressive]

1. I have had quite a few people tell me the Dems shouldnt end the war

That it would hurt them in the 2008 election.

I see that as both false and quite immoral.
This is what happens when beltway consultants trump real political theorizing in a "democracy" like ours.

[liberalnurse]

2. I see it as a winning strategy...Why?

Because many, many American voters have already been programed by the 911 mantra and *bush leading up to and during the war that we are fighting terror. They all supported *bush yet are reluctant to speak out just yet how they really feel. There needs to be an up front, in your face with finger pointing that this War is a failure and why. The *bush supporters, due only because of the fear of terror, these folks, they need to be nurtured and supported from their shell of denial. This is why the Democrats could not just yet end the War.

We who are close to the issues think it is so obvious but way too many have been manipulated by the Fox News Source...propaganda. Many, many communities only get Hannity on the radio and Fox News as their source. Yet, their common sense is sneaking up on them. We need to nurture this message of GOP failure with evidence. It takes time. The Presidential Campaigns will do that for us along with the upcoming Congressional Candidates across the nation for 08.

[StudentProgressive]

3. You prolong the war to win the election?

Erm, I'm not sure I can even stomach considering that possibility.

It's not like we can't win the election without using the war as a bludgeon. The Democrats have already picked up extremely popular issues like universal healthcare and the climate crisis as is.

I'm sorry, I can't handle that kind of triangulating I'm not like that.

[gatorboy]

4. Prolong the war?

As long as Bush is in office, that war ain't going away....

[StudentProgressive]

5. Does President Bush write his own funding bills?

I think Congress has that power.

[gatorboy]

8. He certainly has the power to veto whatever he disagrees with.

Anyway around this at the moment? :shrug:

[StudentProgressive]

11. Don't send him any more funding bills

Or have Senator Feingold filibuster them. Ever seen Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?

[gatorboy]

14. Well, Hell! If we're going to base all our political maneuvering on movies,

Fred Thompson is a shoe in! :rofl:

[StudentProgressive]

16. Filibustering isn't just in movies

lol

[gatorboy]

18. But that you use one as an example shows a conservative mentality.

They love make-believe to, ya know! What's next? "Dave"?

But hey, welcome! :hi:

We're glad you could finally show us the error of our ways. What kept ya?

[StudentProgressive]

20. I'm a Republican operative?

Whoo man, I need you around when I dig into the local Young Republicans!

[gatorboy]

21. Who said you were an operative?

Now you're just giving yourself away. ;)

But since you brought it up, send us links! We'd love to see this.

[liberalnurse]

22. OMG!

I thought you were a Progressive Student! I am sooooooooooo crushed!:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[liberalnurse]

17. I'll have to agree with you on that one!

O8) :rofl:

[liberalnurse]

6. It takes time to move a mountain.

If we had passed the Iraqi War vote, *bush would of rendered a veto of the Bill anyways and used our vote as Democrats being weak, against the troops and all for pork spending. A concept that has already been deeply planted in the minds of our military and many, many voters. This ultimately gives power to the GOP drummers like McCain...and this War will not end by 08 but continue for another 8 years.

We are gathering evidence of failure and presenting it to the occasional political listener during campaigns, debates etc..... This is how we will end the War.

[StudentProgressive]

7. Especially when the Mountain is full of war enablers

Who do not have their children over there.

[liberalnurse]

9. Okay...I have given you enough to chew on.....

Try and look outside the box. I agree on ending this War....I was against it way before it began when Scott Ritter was banging the drum that there were NO WMD's...

I also need to understand what makes the world go round, how the players think and learn where and when to apply pressure.

That's what I am explaining. :think:


Oh, by the way..........WELCOME TO DU!:bounce:

[StudentProgressive]

10. "I also need to understand what makes the world go round"

So do I. I've worked with Congresscritters and on various activist networks and campaigns.

And the Democrats who voted "YES" acted foolishly with the last war vote; they took their opinions from AIPAC and war profiteers and beltway consultants -- not the American people.

You can only rationalize so much before you become irrational, is something I've learned.

[liberalnurse]

12. I imagine you won't be working on any winning campaigns

this election. Then again, they all need coffee.....maybe you will.:shrug:

[StudentProgressive]

13. Please don't insult me...

I believe that's against board rules.

I've worked with winners and losers, but my moral conscience has never swayed.
My parents grew up in third world, maybe I haven't internalized these Amurkan values of standing by the sidelines and letting your leaders do horrible things. Pity.

[liberalnurse]

19. On the contrary.....

I think you will make a terrific asset to someones campaign., none that I work on mind you but you have potential. I already have detected transferable skills.

You don't listen to anything anyone is saying, so you demonstrate autonomy....This skill could be utilized when working the phones on a "push-poll". See, you are worthy. :smoke:

[Marr]

15. Party before is country (or morality) is wrong when our side does it, too.

[Forkboy]

23. 16 dead in the first three days of June.

I'm really glad this is going to win us an election.Bet those parents and family members are comforted by that thought as they visit the grave sites.

[liberalnurse]

24. I want instant gratification too....

but much of America is just awaking from their slumber of denial. If a repug win the 08 election it will be 8 more years of war in Iraq and maybe the entire Middle East too. The math tells me that goes into 2016.....lot's of war dead....

I'm for planning a firm strategy to actually end the war in 08.

[Forkboy]

25. I never expect instant gratification.

But honestly,this talk is basically using the troops as political pawns,and it's very sad,regardless of which side is engaging in it.

[liberalnurse]

26. *bush started it......and continues it today.

His veto power is our barrier. *bush uses the troops, not the Democratic Congress. The game plan was written by *bush/cheney and they are still in control.

Look beyond the pain....the end result is the fastest way out of War...

08 is the soonest.

We can not let a GOP *bush clone win the White House in 08 or we will continue the slaughter.