MSNBC: Gravel, Kucinich Hurting The Democrats?

[helderheid]

From NBC's Chuck Todd
Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel aren't doing the Democratic Party any favors by BOTH trying to put the Iraq War at the feet of the Democrats as well as Pres. Bush.

Tell Chuck Dodd what you think...

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/06/03/212126.aspx

[StudentsMustUniteNow]

1. MSM is at it again n/t

[Individualist]

3. They (neocon propaganda tools) are afraid of Kucinich

and the anti-war voters who support him.

[AnOhioan]

2. MSNBC can go f*** themselves

[OHdem10]

4. I think Kucinich and Gravel add an important factor

While their positions on some issues are distinct,
they keep the others grounded as Democrats.

If the others disagree with their(K & G) positions
they should strongly point out how they are wrong.

[Soup Bean]

5. I agree. They give voice to a certain segment of the people.

Why not have their views heard and addressed by the "leading" candidates? I thought that was what representative democracy was all about. Answering questions, winning the debate. If you can't do it without help from the moderators, you aren't really winning the debate.

Beat them with ideas, solutions, answers, and truth. That's the only way victory is real.

[slowry]

6. I liked Kucinich's Osama answer.

So many people want to hear "press the button, Osama gone, world safe". Why not capture him, or kill him in the process of trying to capture him, if he's actually gonna get away? He could be captured, if anyone wanted to; he's not a fucking mutant X-Man who's going to disappear into the ether once his psychic powers warn him of imminent danger. Does he even have anything like a plane? What does he have? Some cars, maybe a big van, maybe a two-seater bicycle...

[hfojvt]

7. I think Dodd is right

The RNC would like nothing better than to say it is a bipartisan war - when it continues to go badly. Do K & G blame Republicans in Congress? What about voters who, apparently, are not contacting their representatives enough to change votes?

It's like the Lieberman effect. The M$M loves to give air-time to people who will attack the Democratic Party, especially if that person is a Democrat. The message of the day, every day for the RWNM is "Democrats suck". Well hey, it must be true, even other Democrats are saying it.

[Fovea]

8. Kicked, Recommended, and Responded.

Yeah!

[AnOhioan]

9. The Democratic Party is hurting the Democratic Party

Too much fear, not enough firm action

[LWolf]

14. The best comment yet. n/t

[helderheid]

15. Well said.

[grytpype]

10. I agree with Chris Todd 100%. This war belongs to Bush and the Republicans ONLY.

From NBC's Chuck Todd
Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel aren't doing the Democratic Party any favors by BOTH trying to put the Iraq War at the feet of the Democrats as well as Pres. Bush.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/06/03/212126.aspx

The hell with anyone who wants to blame the war on the Democrats.

The only people who would do that are GOP trolls who are trying to save the Republican party from extinction by shifting blame on the Dems.

Either that, or "liberal idiot" magical thinkers who hate the Democrats for not miracling all the troops home.

Either way, you're Karl Rove's wet dream. They would like nothing more than to blame losing the war on the Dems, and you are doing their work for them.

The Democrats already passed a timeline bill, which the liberal idiots hated because it didn't miracle all the troops home.

Bush vetoed it. What the hell are the Dems supposed to do?

You think all funding for the war should be cut off right now? Congratulations, you are in the THIRTEEN PERCENT (13%) MINORITY of Americans who think that.

The Democrats CANNOT get themselves on the wrong side of public opinion on Iraq. Maybe cutting off all funds is a brilliant move, I don't happen to think so, but it's still the smallest minority position on Iraq right now.

I don't like liberal idiot screamers who are trying to push the Dems into making a horrible mistake like cutting off funding, and getting blamed for what happens next. If the Dems cut off funds, they would be called traitors, and the disaster that would follow will all be blamed on them. Unacceptable.

We are in Iraq and we are staying in Iraq for a long time thanks to Bush and the Republicans. Period.

[KoKo]

18. Chuck Tood is an ass who carries water for the Repugs...

He used to seem "fair" when he was with Hotline...but his new job went to his head.

[grytpype]

20. I should say I don't know anything about Chris Todd

but I agree with the quote in the article.

[thethinker]

11. Chuck Todd is being silly

Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel are honest men. They give the Democratic party credibility. There were Democrats that voted for the war and should take responsibility for that mistake. Edwards has. Why is taking responsibility for a mistake such a big deal.

It is not Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel that are hurting the Democratic party. That is plain stupid. What hurts the Democrats is candidates that don't come clean and try to have it both ways.

[bamacrat]

12. Kucinich and Gravel are the ones who keep the others from spouting off talking points.

They challenge the frontrunners.

[klook]

13. Gravel and Kucinich both made many excellent points

on a variety of issues, not just the invasion of Iraq. Their perspectives are valuable. It's refreshing to hear candidates who are unafraid to call 'em the way they see 'em, even if I don't agree with them 100% of the time.

[seemslikeadream]

16. I liked this comment

What rubbish. Democrats were entrusted by the voting public last year with control of Congress for the expressed purpose of ending the occupation of Iraq's oil fields and the war on Iraq's people. As the majority Party of both chambers, Democrats have the power to make prosecuting the war impossible--even if it means threatening to shut the entire Federal gov't. down to do it; and as this is precisely what they were elected to do, NOT doing so is an abdication of the mandate the public gave them, and makes them co-owners of the policy (as if any Democrat who voted for the original use-of-force resolution, or any supplemental appropriation for it afterwards, didn't already own a big piece of it already). Get real--a plurality of Congressional Democrats may oppose the war, possibly a bare majority of them. But until they find the courage to meekly follow the opinion polls, they will make the DP as complicit in this crime as the GOP and White House (and media).
roger

[KoKo]

17. I guess Chuck Tood is in agreement with some Posts here on this site

....or pehaps it was the "talking points" ready to go that had some here posting what Chuck Todd said before he said it...or maybe with him.

[BlooInBloo]

19. I'm second to none in thinking DK is batshit crazy and not to be trusted with American lives....

... but the media's just making shit up on them hurting other Dems. The only ones who'll hurt Dems is the media.

[Odin2005]

21. Kucinich and Gavel is good for keeping the rest's feet to the fire and nothing more.

Neither has a snowball's chance in hell of getting the nomination and we would loose the election if one of them got the nom by some miracle. As far as I'm concerned thier only purpose is to whack-a-mole the DLC memes spewed by the Clintonites.

[GeneCosta]

22. Lose the election?

Did the Republicans sideline a certain conservative actor because of his profession? Did they stop to consider the GE when pushing lunes like Bush, Brownback, Gingrich, McCain..?

How do we know these people could lose the election? I'm certain either of them, especially Gravel , has just a good chance as Clinton, Obama, Gore, or Edwards. The problem is the primaries. Name recognition. Peer pressure.

When faced with Gravel, I'd like to see ANY republican, maybe with the exception of Ron Paul, even come close to convincing Democrats and Independents to vote for them.

[annm4peace]

23. Thank God for Kucinich.

Kucinich is the reason I started working on Dem. campaigns and didn't jump sheet. and I am a college educated, taxpaying, voting citizen of the country. He seems to be the only one able to tell the truth and has the voting record to back it up.

Everytime he is in a debate I send his campaign 25.00.

[helderheid]

26. I registered to vote for the first time (apathetic 28 year old) to vote for Kucinich in the 2004

primaries.

[Beelzebud]

24. No, but cable news is destroying America.

[MadHound]

25. Hey, the Democrats aren't doing the American people any favors by failing to end the war.

Especially when the means to do so, defunding, lies in their power. Want your conscience to stop bothering you Dems? Start doing the right thing instead of playing politics with people's lives.

[burrowowl]

27. Kucinich is about the only Democrat

in the race! There are many Repub-lites in the race!
And Peace works better for people than war and of course war works better for corporations, they make even more MONEY!

[Truth2Tell]

28. If we don't want Dems to defect to Nader

we better keep Kucinich and Gravel in the game.

The real damage to the Democratic Party comes from those candidates who relentlessly parrot Repug talking points - like the notion that de-funding the war equals de-funding "the troops". Nothing but a disgusting Republican lie that Biden, Clinton and others have shamefully glommed onto.

[helderheid]

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