I loved Hillary's clothes, hair, and make-up tonight

[Erika]

She was one classy lady.

[StudentProgressive]

1. Physical presentation is unimportant in my opinion

they shouldn't even televise the debates. It lets the media butcher the process and focus on largely meaningless stuff. Remember all the Gore was "stiff" crap?

[question everything]

9. But, do you remember papa Bush looking at his watch

at the debate with Clinton and Perot?

This helped sinked him

[Maru Kitteh]

12. That was an action that conveyed an inner process

Not the same thing as "ooooooooh, those highlights sure are pretty and nice job with the spring makeup!"

[Hekate]

26. Uh huh. And that's why Kucinich is so electable in today's media-driven process...

And yes, I'm being sarcastic.

One of my peace-movement friends has been a Kucinich fan forever, I think. During the 2004 election he commented ruefully that if we were still in the age of radio, before television, Dennis Kucinich would stand a better-than-even chance of winning the presidency. But not today.

I don't know that the electorate would actually go for Kucinich based solely on his ideas, but I do know that his homely appearance is against him. That may be sad, it may be infuriating, but it is true.

It is IMPORTANT for Hillary to look as good as she possibly can, and it matters more because she is a woman. It always does. That may be sad, it may be infuriating, but it is true.

Hekate

[pnwmom]

44. You're right, but we can't turn back the clock.

Roosevelt could run the country without anyone knowing he was in a wheelchair, but that day is long past.

Any candidate we put forward has to be able to handle television.

At least we're not dredging NYC cop shows for actor-candidates.

[zanne]

80. I'm not a Hillary fan, but she did look beautiful.

It was one of the first things I noticed.

[RedCappedBandit]

91. THANK YOU n.t

[SeattleVet]

2. So you liked the packaging...what about the contents?

What did you think about what she *said*?

[Erika]

3. I stressed her appearance because of the right wing negatives

She was great!

[Colobo]

4. I'll be honest... I think Hillary looked... sexy... I mean

An intelligent, commanding, mature lady who has a soft spot (loved hear her laugh at Wolf's question about Bill)... I'm 23, but... :evilgrin:

[Truth2Tell]

25. self delete

[illinoisprogressive]

5. yeah. she looked 60 rather than 63....oh she;s 59??? still old.

[Ken Burch]

6. classy response, there, IP

:sarcasm:

[TahitiNut]

14. Well, maybe you'll get lucky and not get old.

:eyes:

Considering the alternative, I don't know how "lucky" that would be. But ... whatever floats your boat.

[WilliamPitt]

58. Barf.

[William769]

76. Oy vey.

[zanne]

81. Oh yeah, punk?

Do not spark the ire of older women. They'll get ya.:spank: :hi:

[OnionPatch]

85. When you get older

maybe you'll appreciate more than just the dewy beauty of youth.

[quinnox]

7. She was hot tonight

I said so to my friend who was also watching. She looked really good, and her clothes were sharp. She has it all, looks and brains and everything!

[Mojorabbit]

8. She seemed very relaxed tonight n/t

[Quixote1818]

10. She came across much better on TV than by just audio

Her voice is kind of grating but when I started watching the debate on CNN web feed I thought she looked awesome and came across as very presidential. Her voice didn't bother me when watching her as apposed to just listening to her.

I think her hair style was better than in the past. She looked great!

[Maru Kitteh]

11. I'm sorry. I thought this was a parody thread.

I thought we were a little beyond (ok, way beyond) singling out females and considering their superficial attributes before their positions and views.

What about Joe and Bill and John? Did you like their clothes, hair and makeup too?

[MadBadger]

13. I think we can comment on Dodd's make-up

He looked like he was wearing a ton.

[PBass]

15. Hillary is more likable than the pundits like to claim...

She will do well in the debates in general, IMO.

I do wish she was more progressive.

[Erika]

16. I thought her choice of jewelry was well done also

Yes, women are judged by different criteria than men. Duh.

[BeyondGeography]

17. Yeah, like Gore's weight is never brought up by the press

and Edwards' hair and Richardson's double-chin and....Duh.

[lvx35]

18. Something about being a democrat makes for some beautiful older women.

Hillary was a knock out, and I've seen Pelosi be one as well. I'm 30.

[juajen]

90. That "something" is, IMHO, compassion and empathy for others

I agree that we have some beautiful-inside-out women who claim the democratic moniker.

BTW, I, too, thought Hillary looked fantastic. I hope she sticks to that hairstyle. It is very flattering. Her outfit, jewelry and makeup were also impeccable.

I thought Dennis looked great, also. I wish he would brush his hair upward off the forehead, though. I love Dennis. I think his elfish looks are adorable, and looks should never determine whether someone is presidential material; but, looks can be icing on the cake if everything else is great. Hillary's blue eyes are also quite beautiful.

[Qanisqineq]

19. I hate when people talk about a female's appearance but it's not an issue with males

But I also think you are right. She looked very good tonight and I even said that to a friend during the debate. I said (paraphrasing), "I think she gets better looking with age. She looks very pretty tonight".

[MadBadger]

20. THat isnt always true

I wasnt born yet, but I have heard the reference many times to the Nixon-Kennedy debate where people watching TV thought Kennedy won because Nixon's appearance was awful, and those who listened on the radio thought Nixon won. So, appearance can be very important, especially in the official Presidential debates.

[Qanisqineq]

75. I didn't say it was always true

I'm just saying it is often the case.

[Cleita]

21. It's good that she dressed up to deflect the criticism that she

would get from looking frumpy, but since she deflected that, what else was there?

[specimenfred1984]

22. I loved her shaved ears and epilated nostrils!

WOW, what a political statement that made!

[Erika]

23. She was a female class act

Impeccably dressed with brains. Yes, these things do matter to women. Go Hillary!

[MonkeyFunk]

24. Yes

she did look great. Obama looked fantastic, too.

[Erika]

27. Obama did look great

But Hillary wore the better necklace.

[MonkeyFunk]

35. lol...

true.

But seriously, I thought both of them looked fanastic, and anybody who thinks that's entirely unimportant... well, bless their pea-pickin' little hearts.

[Truth2Tell]

28. She's well polished

no doubt. Her presentation gets better all the time.

She still needs to work on her defensiveness level when it comes to criticism from the left.

It's the flashes of condescension that turn me off.

[Erika]

29. Get real. You earlier were obsessed with Obama

grabbing her breast. Is this a full moon or what?

[Truth2Tell]

30. Am I not allowed to make both a joke

and a serious comment in the same thread?

[Erika]

31. Grabbing a woman's breast is not a joke

It's obscene and the moderators have been alerted.

[Truth2Tell]

33. didn't intend to offend.

deleted it after consideration.

edit to add: Erika, please accept my apology for being out of line in your thread.

[Marr]

32. You'll have to forgive me for weighing her policy decisions more heavily than her

wardrobe decisions.

That's a much less flattering light.

[Erika]

34. As a woman, I deliberately posted on her appearance

Since the right wing has been so cruel to her. She can and certainly does hold her own in politics and her positions.

Maybe you havn't seen her referred to as the Piap by freeper type sites?

She was one classy lady tonight.

[Marr]

38. What is a "piap"? I don't understand the put-down,

but that doesn't surprise me as most of their commentary is white noise blather.

I'll have to politely disagree with you on your appraisal of Hillary Clinton. While she may hold her own in politics, I think her actual positions (and here I mean her votes, not her rhetoric), are atrocious.

[Erika]

39. Piap

By the right wingers means pig in a pantsuit.

[Marr]

42. Ah.

Just the sort of insightful criticism I've come to expect from our friends at sad end of the bell curve.

[dusmcj]

49. PIAP - the Talibicans own the patent on that.

Along with Babs Battleaxe (tm) - I always thought she looked manlier than Sr.

[pnwmom]

47. I agree, Erika. They're threatened by her. That's why they talk like that.

Typical insecure boars.

I've seen her close up and she has a very pleasant appearance and demeanor.

[Erika]

50. I can't understand the hateful attacks against her

and even her daughter. Remember when Rushbo referred to Chelsea as dog faced when Chelsea was only 13? These people are malicious and vile.

[pnwmom]

74. I remember that well. One of the things that always made

me like the Clintons was that they obviously were both good, caring parents to their daughter. And she has turned out to be a great credit to them, unlike some other daughters we know.

[Canuckistanian]

36. and her nails were like, bitchin'

She's so like, totally cool.

So like, this guy in Chem class was raggin' on her and I was like what-ever...

[tkmorris]

37. If she'd worn a burlap sack

and advocated for universal single-payer health care I'd have liked her better.

I honestly thought she did ok, but it had nothing at all to do with her ability to apply eyeliner.

[Swamp Rat]

40. LOL!

:rofl:

I'd prefer her grilled brown with a double dash of cayenne pepper. :9

[MonkeyFunk]

46. if only the quality of your graphics matched your wit...

oh wait... they do.

[Swamp Rat]

52. LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[MonkeyFunk]

55. My point is proven.

[Swamp Rat]

56. CONGRATULATIONS!!!

:woohoo: :party: :toast:

[TheWatcher]

41. And that would make her a Good President Why?

America: The Downward Spiral Continues.

[Erika]

45. The topic was about her appearance

I know. I posted it.

[pnwmom]

48. Unfortunately, appearance matters in a candidate. Not so much in a President,

but you have to be a candidate first.

[Bluebear]

73. You're right, you're much too sophisticated for the room. :)

[upi402]

43. totally

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[snot]

51. [self delete]

[dusmcj]

53. she looked great, but is she on hormone therapy ?

The overly round face and puffy features are a hint. If it's habit (the pursed lips as well) her handlers ought to train her out of that.

She does need to lose the shoes. They make her look mousy. Flats are one thing, Minnie Mouse is another.

[Erika]

54. You're joking, right?

or a laugh by yourself.

[dusmcj]

92. uhhhh, not really - seen it before

in my observation, women with hormone imbalances frequently have faintly puffy smooth tissue (which makes their features net out as "rounder") and faintly bulging, and also moister, eyes (which makes them look "brighter"). Sorry, it's a correlation I've noticed, your mileage may vary.

[Pastiche423]

57. Wow, Erika

From your previous posts, I would never have thought you were a DLC lover. Oh yeah, and a supporter of a warmonger that wants to keep our troops in Iraq until at least 2009 and to bomb Iran to boot!

Very surprising, indeed.

[WilliamPitt]

60. Yup.

It's campaign season again.

Yeesh.

[Pastiche423]

71. ESAD

[Erika]

61. Huh? This is about Hillary's appearance

Anyone who posts here regularly knows I hate the war.

You're very suprising, indeed. My nephew Marine is on his third tour in Iraq.

[Swamp Rat]

63. Sorry to hear that.

I'm worried my cousin will be sent back again. :hug:

[Erika]

My nephew joined right out of high school

Three tours in less than 22 months. Just starting his third.

[Swamp Rat]

68. He must be very young.

God this sucks. :cry:

[Erika]

72. Yep. Already suffered a concussion

and scraped up his buddies remains.

[Pastiche423]

64. So the point of your thread

was about appearances only?

[Erika]

65. Yep. I stated that. n/t

[MadBadger]

66. Is it okay then to mention how everyone else looked too?

[Erika]

67. Were any of them attacked as a PIAP by the right wing? n/t

[MadBadger]

69. Does it matter?

You started this thread simply commenting on her appearance, not what others have said about her. Well, I agree, but I also thought Obama looked good, as well as Edwards and others.

[MrSlayer]

59. Joe Biden's suit was very nice.

And his hair was perfect. Do you think he might be a werewolf?

[Erika]

62. Did the right wing slam his appearance?

Like they did Hillary?

[MrSlayer]

70. I wasn't aware that the RW had bashed her appearence so soon.

I figured that would come tomorrow with the morning hate talk shows. I thought she looked good actually. Much better than she's sometimes looked in the past.

You don't really think Biden is a werewolf do you?

[arendt]

77. Oh, please. What is this, Entertainment Tonite? How shallow! n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

78. Third Wave Feminism, ladies and gentlemen!

:eyes:

[bdamomma]

79. I thought Hillary looked very good last nite.

[JTFrog]

82. Any superficial beauty

she may have been channeling certainly melted away and showed her inner ugly when she started talking about how much safer we are now and how the Iraqi's are the ones responsible for not picking their dusty bombed asses up off the ground by now and resolving their own problems.

:puke:

[noamnety]

83. Mods?

Can we please have a forum like the 911 dungeon, but with less visibility, where the discussions about how women look threads can take place in peace without the derisive comments of annoying feminists like me?

I would volunteer to write their mission statement. :evilgrin:

[Bonobo]

84. Aren't you one of the people who scream

when a woman's appearance is mentioned? I don't get it...

Oh, it's ok if it is a POSITIVE opinion?

[mnhtnbb]

86. My first reaction was that I think Hillary's had a face lift. She looked terrific.

[Nimrod2005]

87. And did you notice the nice tan?

[HamdenRice]

88. I think her 1990s style was better suited to her current war stance

especially the shoot she did for Spy Magazine:

[dogday]

89. So she looked good speaking out of both sides

of her mouth... Sorry, I think she panders way too much... Just say what you feel....