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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:09 PM
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The wonderfulness of Ray Bradbury
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:13 PM
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1. Wow, he is a jerk
I guess those 8 years of peace and prosperity, ending in a budget surplus, just really pissed him off.


This is why I tend not to know to much about authors and artists.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:15 PM
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2. Great writer: doesn't have a clue how the world works.
He was the same way in 1997 when I heard him speak in Toledo. Much of his generalities made a lot of sense, but when he started talking about Reagan and SDI I knew it was all conjecture and no examination against fact. Still, I agree that American mass media is pretty low quality.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:16 PM
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3. Nothing appears at the link but a red screen
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:16 PM
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4. Sure seems like a worthwhile target too
I mean the awesome power of Ray Bradbury over our media and our world is frankly awesome to think about. Someone has to stand up to this extremely powerful and relevant person, and thank goodness there are still heroes willing to take up the good fight.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:29 PM
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9. Quick...start a thread about this!
Waste everyone's time by pointing out how some people waste their time!

You're the only one who can save us Obi Wan.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:30 PM
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10. My work here is done.
I apologize for expressing an opinion at variance with your own.

Bryant
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:31 PM
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12. "My work here is done."
If only...
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:37 PM
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14. I meant my work here at this threat
As for DU in totality I will not leave DU until and unless I am banned.

So don't get your hopes up.

But once again, I apologize from the bottom of my heart for any discomfort seeing an opinion at variance with your own might have caused you. I know how delicate many of my fellow DUers are.

Bryant
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:21 PM
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5. He's a now senile writer of simple children's books from long ago.
He needs a diaper, not a podium.



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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:25 PM
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6. And I still love his books...some of the best ever. I don't care
about his current politics.

His books would warm the heart of any liberal.
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StudentsMustUniteNow Donating Member (859 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:25 PM
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7. He's right about TV
The threat is the idiocy of the mainstream media, and dumbing down fueled by market effects.

His political views are his own. He has the right to hold them, however misled.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:25 PM
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8. They took it off, but I found this piece by Bradbury, it is not dated though
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Censorship in the Age of Multiculturalism

"Fahrenheit 451" by Ray Bradbury

451 degrees Fahrenheit is the temperature at which paper burns.


"Fahrenheit 451" is a multimedia age horror story of genius about firemen who are paid to set books ablaze and is more important than ever in our era of 'political correctness' and shallow consumerism. Got an unpleasant reality? BURN IT! Does that hurt your 'self-esteem' or make you uncomfortable? BURN IT!
Below is an addendum where Bradbury scathingly deals with those who have tried to censor his book on censorship (imagine that!).


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"There is more than one way to burn a book.
And the world is full of people running about with lit matches."


by Ray Bradbury

About two years ago, a letter arrived from a solemn young Vassar lady telling me how much she enjoyed my experiment in space mythology, The Martian Chronicles.

But, she added, wouldn't it be a good idea, this late in time, to rewrite the book inserting more women's characters and roles?

A few years before that I got a certain amount of mail concerning the same Martian book complaining that the blacks in the book were Uncle Toms and why didn't I "do them over"?

Along about then came a note from a Southern white suggesting that I was prejudiced in favor of the blacks and the entire story should be dropped.

Two weeks ago my mountain of mail delivered forth a pipsqueak mouse of a letter from a well-known publishing house that wanted to reprint my story "The Fog Horn" in a high school reader.

In my story, I had described a lighthouse as having, late at night, an illumination coming from it that was a "God light." Looking up at it from the viewpoint of any sea-creature one would have felt that one was in "the Presence."

The editors had deleted "God-Light" and "in the Presence."

Some five years back, the editors of yet another anthology for school readers put together a volume with some 400 (count 'em) short stories in it. How do you cram 400 short stories by Twain, Irving, Poe, Maupassant and Bierce into one book?

Simplicity itself. Skin, debone, demarrow, scarify, melt, render down and destroy. Every adjective that counted, every verb that moved, every metaphor that weighed more than a mosquito - out! Every simile that would have made a sub-moron's mouth twitch - gone! Any aside that explained the two-bit philosophy of a first-rate writer - lost!

Every story, slenderized, starved, bluepenciled, leeched and bled white, resembled every other story. Twain read like Poe read like Shakespeare read like Dostoevsky read like - in the finale - Edgar Guest. Every word of more than three syllables had been razored. Every image that demanded so much as one instant's attention - shot dead.

Do you begin to get the damned and incredible picture?

How did I react to all of the above?

By "firing" the whole lot.

By sending them rejection slips to each and every one.

By ticketing the assembly of idiots to the far reaches of hell.

The point is obvious. There is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches. Every minority, be it Baptist / Unitarian, Irish / Italian / Octogenarian / Zen Buddhist, Zionist/Seventh-day Adventist, Women's Lib/Republican, Mattachine/FourSquareGospel feel it has the will, the right, the duty to douse the kerosene, light the fuse. Every dimwit editor who sees himself as the source of all dreary blanc-mange plain porridge unleavened literature, licks his guillotine and eyes the neck of any author who dares to speak above a whisper or write above a nursery rhyme.

Fire-Captain Beatty, in my novel Fahrenheit 451, described how the books were burned first by the minorities, each ripping a page or a paragraph from the book, then that, until the day came when the books were empty and the minds shut and the library closed forever.

"Shut the door, they're coming through the window, shut the window, they're coming through the door," are the words to an old song. They fit my lifestyle with newly arriving butcher/censors every month. Only six months ago, I discovered that, over the years, some cubby-hole editors at Ballantine Books, fearful of contaminating the young, had, bit by bit, censored some 75 separate sections from the novel. Students, reading the novel which, after all, deals with the censorship and book-burning in the future, wrote to tell me of this exquisite irony. Judy-Lynn Del Rey, one of the new Ballantine editors, is having the entire book reset and republished this summer with all the damns and hells back in place.

A final test for old Job II here: I sent a play, Leviathan 99, off to a university theater a month ago. My play is based on the "Moby Dick" mythology, dedicated to Melville, and concerns a rocket crew and a blind space captain who venture forth to encounter a Great White Comet and destroy the destroyer. My drama premiers as an opera in Paris this autumn. But, for now, the university wrote back that they hardly dared to my play - it had no women in it! And the ERA ladies on campus would descend with baseball bats if the drama department even tried!

Grinding my bicuspids into powder, I suggested that would mean, from now on, no more productions of Boys in the Band (no women), or The Women (no men), Or, counting heads, make and female, a good lot of Shakespeare that would never be seen again, especially if you count line and find that all the good stuff went to the males!

I wrote back maybe they should do my play one week, and The Women the next. They probably thought I was joking, and I'm not sure that I wasn't.

For it is a mad world and it will get madder if we allow the minorities, be they dwarf or giant, orangutan or dolphin, nuclear-head or water-conversationalist, pro-computerologist or Neo-Luddite, simpleton or sage, to interfere with aesthetics. The real world is the playing ground for each and every group, to make or unmake laws. But the tip of the nose of my book or stories or poems is where their rights and my territorial imperatives begin, run and rule. If Mormons do not like my plays, let them write their own. If the Irish hate my Dublin stories, let them rent typewriters. If teachers and grammar school editors find my jawbreaker sentences shatter their mushmild teeth, let them eat stale cake dunked in weak tea of their own ungodly manufacture. If the Chicano intellectuals wish to re-cut my "Wonderful Ice Cream Suit" so it shapes "Zoot," may the belt unravel and the pants fall.

For, let's face it, digression is the soul of wit. Take the philosophic asides away from Dante, Milton or Hamlet's father's ghost and what stays is dry bones. Laurence Sterne said it once: Digressions, incontestably, are the sunshine, the life, the soul of reading! Take them out and one cold eternal winter would reign in every page. Restore them to the writer - he steps forth like a bridegroom, bids them all-hail, brings in variety and forbids the appetite to fail.

In sum, do not insult me with the beheadings, finger-choppings or the lung-deflations you plan for my works. I need my head to shake or nod, my hand to wave or make into a fist, my lungs to shout or whisper with. I will not go gently onto a shelf, degutted, to become a non-book.

All you umpire, back to the bleachers. Referees, hit the showers. It's my game. I pitch, I hit, I catch. I run the bases. At sunset I've won or lost. At sunrise, I'm out again, giving it the old try.

And no one can help me. Not even you.


*********

Give 'em hell, Ray!

http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/451/451.html

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:30 PM
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11. He's an idiot,but "The Coffin" is the best short story I've ever read.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:35 PM
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13. I don't care what others' opinions about him are,
but he is a great author and has always been one of my all-time favorites. His "Martian Chronicles" is a classic.
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:45 PM
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15. Criticized Michael Moore for plagiarizing the title "Farenheit 911". . .
yet he himself ripped off a Walt Whitman poem title for a compilation of short stories (I Sing the Body Electric!: and Other Stories), and later made a joke of one of Whitman's finest poems so Bradbury could publish another compilation, this a banal collection of poems unworthy of even marginal association with Walt Whitman's memory (When Elephants Last in the Dooryard Bloomed). Even then, he couldn't get Whitman right and changed the spelling of "Bloom'd".

A passable writer, some good ideas, but overall, Ray Bradbury seems a sad and lacking specimen of intelligent life.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-04-07 02:52 PM
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16. Wonderful writer, but sounds like a jerk personally
One of my favorite stories is his "Something Wicked This Way Comes". I mean the book, not the awful attempt at a movie version.

I feel similarly about Harlan Ellison, for different reasons. Love their stories, but everything I hear about them personally leads me to believe their world view is antithetical to mine.
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