GOP Pollster: Clinton did not win the debate; Edwards came 'out on top'--LINK

[Blackhatjack]

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/GOP_Pollster_Clinton_debate_loser_Edwards_0604.html

GOP Pollster: Clinton did not win the debate; Edwards came 'out on top'

On Monday, Fox News' Fox & Friends asked, "The Dems Debate: Who Came Out on Top?"
GOP pollster and "framing" expert Frank Luntz explained that he had watched the debate with 31 Democratic primary voters in New Hampshire, who recorded their level of agreement or disagreement with the various candidates' statements on a computerized system that tallied the results and was able to display them as a running graph superimposed on video of the debate.

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However, Luntz concluded that, based on overall reactions, the winner of the debate was neither Clinton nor Barack Obama, who he called "the surprise loser," but John Edwards. Edwards actually managed to win over a whole segment of the audience from other candidates.

"They felt that John Edwards had a vision," said Luntz. "They felt that he had a commitment and they loved the way that he presented himself. They saw him as being very presidential. ... You're going to see John Edwards' polling numbers go up in the next few days."

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The fact Frank Luntz explained that 'he had watched the debate with 31 Democratic primary voters in New Hampshire' and recorded their responses indicates some credibility for the conclusion.

It is interesting that Fox News would name Edwards the winner since they obviously want Clinton as the Repub opponent.

But then again, if Fox News starts asking real Democratic primary voters to given their opinions, you tend to get results Fox News does not normally report.

[napi21]

1. With all this darn discussion about "Who Won" it looks like

nothing really changed! At least not materially. Nobody won and nobody lost.

[DinahMoeHum]

2. Who gives a shit what the GOP or Luntz thinks???

The worst Democrat in the current lineup of POTUS candidates is a THOUSAND TIMES BETTER than the best Republican anyway.

:kick::kick:

[itsrobert]

3. I agree

Obama is a thousand times better than the best Republican.

[rusty charly]

7. Arianna on Real Time with Bill Maher

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-tv/arianna-on-real-time-_b_48316.html

"The way Luntz described how he came up with "death tax" to replace "estate tax" was very instructive, and could have been used as a teaching moment to show how propagandists work. He set up the idea that you name a tax based on what is taxed. If you are taxed on income it is called an income tax, if on property, a property tax. All very logical. Then comes the twisting and falsifying, once he has that logical construct set up. He says, then if you die, why should it not be called a death tax? But remember the construct: taxed on x, then it is a x tax. Is the death tax a tax on death? A ridiculous idea. It is a tax on the estate of the deceased, so it is an estate tax, just as it used to be known to all. Maybe Luntz did this bit tongue in cheek, but it still showed how people of his ilk work. I wish one of the two panelists, or the host, would have commented more on this "doctoring" than Poundstone did. This Luntz shtick was almost as bad as his about liberals being too angry. As Ms. Huffington said, let's forget about pleasing Frank (and all the others that do as he does)."

[Art_from_Ark]

4. And Kerry won all the debates with Der Furor

Some lot of good it did him, though

[ccpup]

5. I'm officially confused

I thought the GOP wanted Hillary as their candidate because she'd 1) be super-easy to beat or 2) one of "them" in disguise? Or did someone not get the memo? :shrug:

[elocs]

6. It's so very important for all of us to know who wins or comes out on top

of each and every debate. Just like we need polls every other day to tell us what people are thinking.

[David Dunham]

8. Edwards will do a lot better if he stops $400 hair cuts

[Blackhatjack]

10. It is true that those who keep raising Edwards' so-called $400 haircuts just reveal their ignorance

It shows how uninformed these people are, and by continuing to raise it they just make sure everyone knows it.

[MindPilot]

9. why the obsession with who won and who lost?

It wasn't even a real debate which would focus on some very narrow issue (Resolved: The C-Word Should Not Be Used To Describe Ann Coulter)

It's a way to watch the candidates on their "runway" and hear them answer question while hopefully learning more about whether or not I want that person running the show.

A panel discussion would have been much better, but nobody won or lost.