Critique on the Debate

[quinnox]

John McCain looks like an old man, no energy. Sorry, John you seem to have lost whatever you may have had.

McCain is through in my opinion.

Tom Tancredo was the most consistent and principled, sure I disagree with him completely but he at least has a coherent philosophy.

Ron Paul was the best one by far and hit it out of the park with his comments on the war and incorrect use of pre-emptive war, that it is not part of the American traditional defense strategy.

Romney came off like a used car salesman, trying to please everyone at the same time. He has a John Kerry-like flip flopper image problem.

Rudy Guliana seemed like he will continue Bush's legacy of fear and scare. The most repellent of all the candidates in my opinion. He made my skin crawl with every answer.

[ellisonz]

1. "The American Empire is now approaching 1 trillion dollars a year."

-Ron Paul

[quinnox]

2. good line by Paul

[Bluebear]

3. Ron Paul: Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research.

Voted YES on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life.
Voted YES on banning Family Planning funding in US aid abroad.
No federal funding of abortion, and pro-life.
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record.
Voted YES on banning gay adoptions in DC.
Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer.
Voted YES on vouchers for private & parochial schools. (
Voted NO on establishing nationwide AMBER alert system for missing kids.
Rated 76% by the Christian Coalition: a pro-family voting record.
Rated 56% by APHA, indicating a mixed record on public health issues. (
Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration.
Rated 47% by the AFL-CIO, indicating a mixed record on union issues.

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

[WilliamPitt]

4. Damn. Now I can't vote for him.

[Bluebear]

Many here seem enamored by him. nt

[WilliamPitt]

7. He speaks eloquently against the Iraq occupation

but I'm pretty sure no DUer plans to vote for him.

Only people with perfect voting records can speak against the war, I guess. Or something.

[Bluebear]

10. Please spare me.

I will repeat, many DUers seem fascinated by him BECAUSE of his speaking against the war, yet ignore all his other stances.

[WilliamPitt]

12. They ignore his other stances because they don't support him

and won't vote for him.

Yeesh.

[Bluebear]

14. I forgot, how damn stupid of me.

By the way, do read this by the same OP:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=997406

Some people can speak out about the war, except for mothers of dead soldiers. Yeesh.

[quinnox]

15. that thread has nothing to do with this

I never said anything about Cindy not having a right to speak out, why you drag this into my thread is strange.

[WilliamPitt]

17. And that has what to do with Paul?

Nice try.

I reject your premise.

I'm also bored by this.

Have a good night.

[Bluebear]

18. Your record of patronizing snarkiness lies intact.

Good job. Or something.

[WilliamPitt]

36. Thank God.

One of us has to be consistent, I guess.

Oh wait, you are.

(he shoots, he scores)

:P

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. Couldn't Win The Debate With Actual Reasoning, So Ya Deflected With An Unrelated Thread? Too Funny!

I'd say ya got handed your hat on this one...

[Sapphocrat]

46. Yo, Pitt.

Answer two questions for me.

You're a yellow-dog Dem, right?

How does a yellow-dog Dem give eventhismuch credence to a don't-know-what-the-fuck-he-wants-to-be-from-one-day-to-the-next "former Libertarian" like Ron Paul?

[quinnox]

11. exactly

Ron paul is right on the war and there is no harm in applauding him for that.

[Marr]

24. I tend to agree. I've seen a fair amount of gushing praise for him

on several blogs. If it came down to Hillary Clinton and Ron Paul, something tells me that a fair number of DUers would vote for the stronger critic of the Iraq occupation. Ignoring the rest of his record isn't doing anyone a favor.

[Bluebear]

26. I appreciate it.

I have nothing against the man personally and just was pointing out what I , too have observed.

[WilliamPitt]

37. It will come down to Clinton v. Paul

right before the Earth crashes into the sun.

[Marr]

39. I didn't say I expect it to come down to Clinton and Paul.

I'm saying that, if it did, I would expect Ron Paul to have a measurable degree of Democratic support, because most people aren't aware of his stance on anything but Iraq. That Democratic support exists- whether or not he'll ever have the opportunity to cash it in is a separate question.

[ZinZen]

48. This is a Libertarian?????????

I always thought Libertarians wanted to stay out of people's private lives. Paul is a douche.

[H2O Man]

5. I watched it

with two of my kids. We had fun predicting each candidate's answer to each question. My son said that Mitt could talk a half-hour, and never say more than, "Ronald Reagan. The future."

[quinnox]

8. lol

[Marr]

30. 'We can't run on reform! We're the damn incumbents!"

They kept reminding me of Pappy O'Daniel. They repeatedly tried to blame all these Republican messes on liberals. That might've flown once, but we've had a one-party government for so long that they couldn't just point at the opposition branch and blame that for everything.

They had to say that the Republican Party's only problem is that they have behaved like liberals, which only makes the viewer ask, "well then why the hell should I vote for you?".

[sproutster]

6. Agree with your opinion %99, I thought McCain picked it up on the end.

He was very thoughtful in the second half. I wouldn't vote for him, but I thought he picked up his game.

[BuyingThyme]

9. They already had the debate?

[DianaForRussFeingold]

13. Ron Paul won me over on the war issue! One of them said bush was a liberal!

He could use a dictionary! Ron Paul will win over a lot of NEW Democrats, especially the ones that left their party due to bush. The following is what the Dems should be saying! "War and incorrect use of pre-emptive war, that it is not part of the American traditional defense strategy." Pretty bad, a Republican Conservative has to be the one to tell it like it is! Edited due to migraine aura

[Bluebear]

29. 'Ron Paul will win over a lot of NEW Democrats'

I hope not!

[DianaForRussFeingold]

45. I sincerely hope he won't but I have to admit I am a little frustrated

:dem: :dilemma:

[Union Thug]

49. Me too. How a dem could vote for Libertarian "economics" defies reason.

His war stance notwithstanding, Ron Paul is still a libertarian social darwinist at heart. So he shows a little common sense on the war in Iraq, so what? There ARE other issues, right?

[ProSense]

16. "He has a John Kerry-like flip flopper image problem."

What an idiotic wingnut bullshit talking point!

[quinnox]

19. look, it is true

I know you are a big Kerry fan but the truth is Kerry did have an image problem of being a flip flopper in 2004 election, like it or not. Kerry made bad mistakes and the republicans were able to paint him in this light by using Kerry's miscues... "voted for it before voted against it"

[ProSense]

23. That's absolute nonsense!

Romney changes his story every chance he gets. That a big difference from a gullible public buying a Rovian talking point, which you continue to spew!

[quinnox]

25. I agree in part

But I'm talking more image than substance. You are right about the substance but I'm talking the image, public perception.

[ProSense]

28. You're repeating Rovian spin! Period! n/t

[Bluebear]

31. 'Kerry sealed it - no more Mass. liberals'

'First we tried Mondale and failed. Then Dukakis (ugh - the less said the better). Then Kerry, close but no cigar. No more Massachusetts liberals for president. I think Kerry sealed the deal, and wonder if there will be another for at least a generation.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x274674

Someone just didn't care for Kerry!

[quinnox]

32. lol - are you going to post every thread I ever did

that you didn't like?

I was a huge Kerry fan in the primary but I think he made critical mistakes in the general election, so sue me!

I stand by my threads.

[Bluebear]

33. At least you know now that they are memorable!

[quinnox]

34. well I try

I think it is necessary sometimes to put a little spice in threads to make it interesting.

[politicasista]

40. delete. got the point

:hi:

[fedupinBushcountry]

27. BS

All you are saying is that you drunk the koolaid. Sad.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

20. Critique is dead on!

:hi: :kick:

[quinnox]

21. thank you

[Hawaii Hiker]

35. Sam Brownback expresses concern over cancer

yet doesn't believe in stem-cell research....Memo to Sam, rather difficult to cure deadly diseases like cancer, etc. when you DON'T BELIEVE in stem-cell research, :crazy:

I'm also convinced Mike Huckabee believes the earth is not only flat, but that it is 5,000 years old!

[BadgerKid]

38. Empower consumer choice, disempower family choice ?

Did I gather that correctly?

[politicasista]

41. Sorry, but you are not going to make me support Hillary

by putting down fellow Democrats. It's a put off. Funny or not.

[quinnox]

43. that isn't my aim

I'm starting to notice something, a lot of Kerry people showing up here. Well, glad that you all are staunch Kerry supporters, but I'm going to call it like I see it. And in my opinion Romney does remind of John Kerry. The same state, the same image problems. A flip flopper who changed his position dramatically in order to please the conservatives now that he is running for president. He even is viewed as a "Massachussetts liberal" by some in the far right wing. Also, superficially, Romney has the big hair just like Kerry, and somewhat resembles Kerry physically.

[politicasista]

44. And I stand by my post

You think the RW and the media will go easy on any Dem?

Plus, I know you support Hillary and attack other Democrats to promote her. If you have an opinion about Romney, then leave Kerry and the RW talking points out of this discussion. They should NOT even be compared. Kerry has been the opposite of what you say. He is consistent. Romney, on the other hand is a slick douchebag.


It is downright sad that a Democratic site repeats RW lies about a Democrat.

[Swamp Rat]

42. Ron Paul is going to divide the repuke party in two.

;)

[DianaForRussFeingold]

47. Maybe

Preempt and Plunder :evilgrin: Great Bumper-sticker :loveya: