Republicans berate Bush, but sound a lot like him

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Craig Crawford's Trail Mix: GOP Debaters Belittle Bush's Worth as Ex-President

By Craig Crawford, CONGRESSIONAL QUARTERLY

Published: June 6, 2007

It was not the most important question of last night’s Republican presidential debate in New Hampshire — but it sure was a telling one as the hopefuls headed for the hills when asked what they would do with George W. Bush if any of them get to the White House.

About the most serious reply was Kansas Sen. Sam Brownback suggesting that Bush could spend his ex-presidency teaching college students. Former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson derisively noted, “I would certainly not send him to the United Nations.”

What a striking contrast to how the Democrats jumped for the chance at their most recent debate to propose creative and substantive roles for their party’s last president, Bill Clinton.

Among Republican debaters, Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo all but insulted Bush, after recalling how White House adviser Karl Rove once told him to “never darken the door of the White House” in retaliation for their policy differences. That memory provoked the maverick Tancredo to tell the debate audience that his plans for an ex-President Bush would be to tell him “exactly the same thing Karl Rove told me.”

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Is it possible to belittle Bush and support his failed policies by spewing the same old lies? Yes:

Hubert Humphreys of the Right
Wrong Information Given out in New Hampshire

Rudy Giuliani maintained during the Republican debate that "It's unthinkable to leave Saddam Hussein in charge of Iraq and be able to fight the war on terror."

If he means by "war on terror" the counter-terrorism struggle against al-Qaeda and kindred groups, then it was in fact unthinkable successfully to fight them and also invade Iraq. The US occupation of a major Muslim Arab country has reinvigorated al-Qaeda. It has drawn major resources away from counter-terrorism. It has delivered millions of Iraqis into a maelstrom of terrorism. There was never any operational cooperation between al-Qaeda and Saddam.

McCain said, ""When Senator Clinton says this is Mr. Bush's war, that this is President Bush's war -- when President Clinton was in power, I didn't say that Bosnia, our intervention there was President Clinton's war . . . When we intervened in Kosovo, I didn't say it was President Clinton's war."

But the situations are not the same. Clinton did not mislead us into those conflicts. They were, moreover, limited in scope and fit the Powell doctrine. After enormous numbers of lies and misstatements, after deviousness and the outing of an undercover CIA operative, after over four years of ineptitude and pigheadedness, this is Bush's war. It isn't mine, and I resent McCain trying to make it mine. He can have the miserable thing if he wants it. I fear he will find that some albatrosses make it hard to keep your head above the water.

Romney blasted Democratic Senate Majority leader Harry Reid for allegedly having said that "the war in Iraq is lost." He added, "Harry Reid was wrong. We did not lose the war in Iraq. And that's not the sort of thing you say when you have men and women in harm's way."

Romney has not the slightest idea what is going on in Iraq.

Gen. Rick Sanchez, in contrast was a commanding officer in that theater. He admits that the US cannot win in Iraq. The best it can hope for, if it does all the right things politically and economically, is a stalemate. If you don't win, you lose. And, by the way, Reid had said exactly the same thing, that military victory is impossible and that only a political settlement has any chance of success.

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It's the same old enabling GOP:

Kristol Unclear

Seriously, Bill Kristol has lost his mind.

I FEEL TERRIBLE for Scooter Libby's family. Millions of Americans feel terrible for Scooter Libby's family. But we can't do anything about the injustice that has been done. Nor can we do anything to avert a further injustice looming on the horizon--Judge Reggie Walton seems inclined not to let Libby remain free pending appeal.

Millions of Americans feel terrible? Really? Does anybody know a single person outside of the right wing media that care one whit about Libby, a CONVICTED PERJURER? Yes, such a terrible injustice, putting a man behind bars for lying during an investigation. Does anyone else find it funny that the same people who support torture and holding folks indefinitely at Guantanamo find the Libby case an injustice? Good god, how can anyone take these people seriously?

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Nothing has changed since the 2006 election:

Just received this reminder of why we’re voting from the pen of Larry Gelbart - the brilliant writer of MASH, TOOTSIE, OH GOD, FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM, SLY FOX and CITY OF ANGELS.

Apologies if overly long, but the reasons for change are many.

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Hayworth—Representative Don Sherwood—Representative John Patterson—Representative Rodney Alexander—Representative Roy LaHood—Representative Bob Beauprez—Representative Bob Ney—Representative Randy Cunningham—Representative Chris Cannon—Jeff Gannon—Representative Mark Foley—Representative Dennis Hastert—Representative Jim Kolbe—Representative John Shimkus—Representative Tom Reynolds—Over Paid—Over Reaching—Over Logging—Under Armored—Under Suspicion—Beneath Contempt—Senator Bill Frist—Senator George Allen—Senator Conrad Burns—Senator Joe Lieberman—Senator Rick Santorum—Senator Trent Lott—Senator James Inhofe—Senator Pat Roberts—Senator Sam Brownback—Rubber Stamps—Robber Barons—Senator Larry Craig—Craig Schelske—Ken Blackwell—Lester Crawford—Crawford, Texas—Brian Bilbray—Margaret Spellings—Media Consolidation—Homophobia on the Range—Fearmongering—Smearslinging—The RNC—The DNC (Do Nothing Congress)—DC (Dutifully Corporate)—Family Valuables—The Far Wrong—The Far Righteous—Reverend Jerry Falwell—Reverend Pat Robertson—Reverend James Dobson—Reverend Lou Sheldon—Ralph Reed—Gary Bauer—David Safavian—Vice Presidential Energy Task Force—Seventy Dollars a Barrel—Three Bucks a Gallon—Record Oil Company Profits—Anwar Pipeline—Anbar Province—Arthur Anderson—ABB—Adelphia Communications—Merck—Eli Lilly—Mirant—AOL Time Warner—Kmart—Bristol-Myers Squibb—CMS Energy—Duke Energy—Nicor Energy—Reliant Energy—Dynegy—Peregrine Systems—Homestore.com—Xerox—Qwest—Tyco—WorldCom—Global Crossing—Global Warming—Global Boiling—Lee Raymond—Exxon—Enron—Abramoff—Tribe Bribes—Mike Scanlon—Grover Norquist—War Profiteers—War Privateers—Halliburton—Bechtel—Blackwater—CACI—Titan—Carlyle Group—Custer Battles—Kellogg, Brown & Root—George Tenet—Unanswered Questions—Questionable Answers—Adam Kidan—Timothy Flanigan—Lawrence Lindsay—Jessica Lynch—Jim Ellis—John Colyandro—Donald Keyser—Peter Roskam—Katherine Gun—Garrett Lott—Armstrong Williams—Talking Points—Pointless Talking—Chuck McGee—James Tobin—Thomas Scully—Kenneth Tomlinson—Allen Raymond—Claude Allen—Katrina—Rita—Harriet (Miers)—FEMA—FISA—NSA—Cut and Run—Run on Cuts—Bring It On—Dead Or Alive—Terri Schiavo—Bill Frist, MD—John Bolton—Diebold—Florida, 2000—Ohio, 2004—North Korea 2006—Selective Diplomacy—Preemptive War—Iraq.—Iran?—Sleeper Cells—Stem Cell Research—Darfur—Dubai Ports World—Swift Boat Hit Men—Max Cleland—Douglas Feith—Mumming the Press—Dumbing the Proles—Roger Ailes—Sean Hannity—Bill O'Reilly—Fred Barnes—Morton Kondracke—Brit Hume—John Gibson—Ann Coulter—Laura Ingraham—Michelle Malkin—Glenn Beck—Neil Cavuto—Neal Boortz—Neil Bush (No Brother Left Behind)—Rush Limbaugh—David Frum—David Horowitz—Golden Parachutes—Shrunken Pensions—Sunken Bipartisanship—Bernie Kerik—Eminent Domain—J. Steven Griles—Numerous Convictions—Occasional Confessions—Social Security Privatization—Abrupt Resignations—Porter Goss—Dusty Foggo—Zero Accountability—Even Less Credibility—Michael Chertoff—Homeland Insecurity—Ahmad Chalabi—Baghdad Museum—Tora Bora—Taliban Resurgence—Iraqi Insurgents—General William Boykin—General Eric Shinseki—General Janet Karpinski—General Ricardo Sanchez—General Anthony Zinni—Mission Accomplished—Lawbreaking Lawmakers—Impeachable Sources—Suppressed Medicare Costs—The Donut Hole—Intelligent Design—Intelligence Failures—Ari Fleischer—Scott McClellan—Tony Snow—Tony Perkins—Tony Rudy—Tony Blankley—Tony Blair—Downing Street Memo—The Late Great Britain—Ken Mehlman—Dennis Prager—Wayne Simmons—Frank Gaffney—Expiration of Assault Weapons Ban—John Ashcroft—Alberto Gonzales—Alberto Fernandez—Danny Diaz—William Bennett—Stephen Hadley—Karen Hughes—Bunnatine Greenhouse—Richard Grasso—Brian Doyle—Thomas Noe—Ted Van Der Meid—Tan Nguyen—Michael Gerson—Michael Medved—Michael Reagan—Michael Maloof—Michael Savage—Aluminum Tubes—Rice—Yellowcake—Niger—Valerie Plame—Joseph Wilson—Scooter Libby—Robert Novak—Richard Armitage—Brent Bozell III—Paul Bremer III—Gulf II—Non-Regime-Changing Regime Changers—Neoconmen—Ex-Non-Vet Vulcans—Playing to an Enraptured Audience—Armageddon Uber Alles—Paul Wolfowitz—Richard Perle—David Wormser—Elliott Abrams—James Woolsey—Zalmay Khalizad—William Kristol—The Coalition of the Dwindling—Staining the Course—WMD (W's Mass Denials)—Mad Cowboy Disease—Mad Cowhands Disease—Kissinger Redux—Duck Cheney—Rumbo—Blossom (the Turd)—George (the Fourth):Son of a Higher Father; Uniter, Decider, —Flatulater; —Reader of at least three Shakespeares, Camus' "The Stranger" and "The —Pet —Goat;"—Prematurely discharged National Air Guardsman, missing in inaction, who —describes members of the political party that successfully prosecuted —two —world wars as quitters.—Billions Missing in Iraq—Trillions Missing in D.C.—Missing Limbs—Missed Lives—Iraq—Iraq—Iraq.

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1. Thanks for the review

Sounds like tancredo is telling bush don't let the door hit you on your ass on the way out and go fuck yourself. And oh my I tear up mightily every time I think of scooter libby and his poor, poor family. I mean it was only lies for the good of the party, how could he be prosecuted for that?

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2. Kick! n/t