Anyone get the impression that Hillary will let by-gones be by-gones...

[Taverner]

Should she win the Presidency?

I distinctly got the feeling the other night that everyone on the stage (even Kucinich) would be invited as part of her cabinet.

I also noticed she is not attacking her fellow front-runners...Neither is Obama although he will go to the defense if attacked. ("4 years too late")

Granted I have not decided, but I feel that whomever wins the primary will be a good candidate.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. She'll do whatever's politically expedient - as she always does.

[Taverner]

2. I dunno - although she is the most politically astute

I think she is going to follow in her husbands footsteps and the first cabinet will be a mix of all Dem stripes.

Bill did that with his first cabinet - of course Stephonapolis (sp?) stabbed him in the back

[blm]

53. I think she WILL follow in Bill's footsteps, too. And let Bush crimes of office be bygones.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[KittyWampus]

54. Dammit BLM, I think you're right. PM me if you think any of the candidates would hold their feet

to the fire.

I don't think Hillary, Edwards or Obama would.

You and I both know Kerry would NOT.

[Tesha]

8. Bingo. She'll appoint Republicans where that wins her "points". (NT)

[Vadem]

52. Just as her husband did! I was so furious when Bill won....

and immediately started appointing Republicans to his cabinet as a bipartisan good will measure. We knew that had George H.W. Bush won, no way would he appoint any Democrat to anything!

[EFerrari]

3. I think you spent too much time at West Valley College.

(kidding - proud grad of De Anza here.)


It would be so cool to be able to go with Sen. Clinton but as far as I can tell, she's much more receptive to her political consultants than she is to the needs of her potential constituency.

[tularetom]

4. Unfortunately I'm afraid she will let bygones be bygones

when it comes to investigatging and prosecuting the incompetent and corrupt bushies who have been responsible for fucking up the past 6 years.

[EFerrari]

6. Yes, because the consolidation of power seems to take priority

over accountability.

I guess that makes her a politician, not necessarily a public servant -- if such a thing exists.

[ccpup]

15. how can you tell?

are you a Constituent who lives in her State?

[EFerrari]

17. No, I'm a voter that has been listening to her speeches and remarks

re the presidency that the Republics are slobbering to have her run for.

"If I loved you --"

[ccpup]

18. right

with an open mind, of course. :sarcasm:

I live in NYC and have many friends in staunchly conservative Upstate and, far as I can tell, repugs and Dems alike are mighty happy with our Senators Schumer and Clinton. Try as you might -- and you try pretty damn hard, by the way --, you just can't paint Hillary with that "do nothing" brush.

You're going to have to find another way to make her look bad.

good luck with that, though.

[EFerrari]

33. I don't have to do anything. She's doing a fine job, by herself. n/t

[ccpup]

43. and yet you still attack her at every turn

I actually put you on my Ignore List and then took you off because I felt guilty. On second thought, I figured 'hey, maybe they'll have something interesting to say'

Score one for following my first gut instinct.

[durrrty libby]

5. I think Hillary will surround herself with intelligent thoughtful

people, unlike the current administration.

[EFerrari]

7. So, she will fire everyone now in her employ?

Edit: Sorry but can I ask what leads you to believe that she would hire an administration more interested in the public good than in Hillary Clinton? I see no sign of that possibility.

[durrrty libby]

9. You are so closed minded so I won't waste my time honey

[EFerrari]

10. That's an easy out. I have no horse in this race and my mind

is by no means closed. Good luck building support for her if this is how you respond to people asking honest questions.

Oh, and I'm not your honey, thanks.

:hi:

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[EFerrari]

13. You are doing nothing to promote this candidate at this point. n/t

[ccpup]

16. and reading your Posts

often leads to me realizing it's eventually a waste of good time. do you do anything but attack HRC?

[durrrty libby]

23. Attacking HRC is their life's work. They are sad

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[EFerrari]

24. If you do a search, you'll find that I haven't advocated for any

Democrat yet -- mostly because we have so many really good candidates to date.

And, it's not much of a stretch for a liberal to have problems with Sen. Clinton. She's firmly a part of the same power structure that prematurely opened the NYSE when they knew damn well the air was lethal.

So, save it.

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[EFerrari]

31. DU is has many amenities that many of us are grateful for. n/t

[EFerrari]

30. Oh, and btw, so much for "universal health" when our 9/11 first responders

are DYING so the NYSE could be re-opened.

:puke:



http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.usatoday.com/money/markets/2001-09-18-wall-street.htm&h=180&w=180&sz=24&hl=en&start=5&um=1&tbnid=ewySWifcgYlMAM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=101&prev=/images%3Fq%3DNYSE%2BClinton%2B2001%2Bimage%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den

[ccpup]

37. I don't blame you

for the occasional stupidity on can find on DU, so why would you blame Hillary for a decision made by Giuliani, the heads of the NYSE and a bunch of other people she has little or nothing to do with?

Oh, that's right. You don't like Hillary. Got it.

go ahead and keep tarring her with your brush.

[EFerrari]

38. I gave you the occular proof. Who you gonna believe, me or

your lying eyes?

[ccpup]

40. oh, that's right

she was standing up there all alone. my bad.

[EFerrari]

41. She was standing there instead of taking care of the people of New York.

[ccpup]

44. yes

and you've spent the better part of an hour attacking her when you could be doing something useful.

but I'm sure that rule only applies to her, so ...

aren't you embarrassed yet? or are you one of those people who gets off on stirring the pot and getting everyone angry?

it must be nice to have the illusion of power in some aspect of your life, even if it is only on the Net and with people who find you mildly amusing and fairly tolerable.

bye

[EFerrari]

45. It's much easier to attack me than to think through the situation.n/t

[ccpup]

47. you're just wrong

and keep hitting your head against that same brick wall. I trust this will be lost on you, but I'll offer it anyway.

I worked with Hillary in her 2000 Senatorial Campaign, am friends with her and her husband and daughter and still remember the kindness she's shown me time and again (when my mother suddenly died in 2000, when I opened in a play here in NYC, when my movie did well at SunDance). The Hillary you've created in your head and that you so actively hate bears no resemblance to the Hillary I've come to know and appreciate. You're attacking her for things that are, for the most part, untrue.

And I have no problem with that. Shows how incurious and petty you are; says very little about Hillary or her work. God forbid we have more people like you (ie. our ) gain positions of power and influence.

[EFerrari]

48. I'm glad you felt petted by the Clintons. lol n/t

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[EFerrari]

32. Are you search impaired? n/t

[durrrty libby]

27. You are just as bad as the other one so I don't care what you think

[movonne]

20. I hope you don't feel this way come election time...I fear with her

administration will be a bush administration light...the more I see and read about her and her husband (whom I was very fond of) I'm beginning to get the creeps...just watch who she surrounds herself with...and the DLC is running the show..

[durrrty libby]

25. Bush light? Ha that is ridiculous and absurd.

[EFerrari]

34. Do you have anything besides insults, dl?

Like, reasons anyone should support "I love Bush's War" Clinton?

You know, my nieces are all under five and they could do as well.

[durrrty libby]

36. " Do you have anything besides insults, dl"

"You know, my nieces are all under five and they could do as well."

This is rich.

How to be a hypocrite without taking a breath.

[EFerrari]

39. That wasn't hypocritical, that was observation. n/t

[durrrty libby]

50. Many of my sisters have so much to learn, but sadly

many can not shut their traps long enough for a lesson

:hurts: :hurts: :hurts: :hurts:

[dogday]

35. Hillary does some double speak

I cannot understand her... What is her position on the war, does she want to end it and bring everyone home? Why does she think we are safer than before when the war in Iraq has made us less safe?

She seems to pander to one opinion then another....


I am one who wants a candidate whose stance on the war is absolutely end it now....

[MannyGoldstein]

11. She Will Disembowel Any Strong Democrat

The Clinton playbook is to savage any strong Democrat - anyone who might be competition for them. One example was the looney tirades they made against Howard Dean (using Carville as a mouthpiece), claiming that Dean had lost the '06 election.

This is why the Dems lost every freaking election once the Clintons took control of the Democratic party - they destroy any strong candidates, for fear that they'll grab the spotlight.

[MH1]

19. Exactly - ref: John Kerry, Oct 31 2006. n/t

[rinsd]

21. I love easily disproved BS.

"This is why the Dems lost every freaking election once the Clintons took control of the Democratic party - they destroy any strong candidates, for fear that they'll grab the spotlight."

Every election?

1994 was of course a debacle with huge net losses for both House and Senate.

Let's see they of course won the 96 Presidential.

1996 also saw a net gain of 8 seats in the House for the Democrats though a net loss of 2 in the Senate due to two retirements and an upset.

1998 saw a net gain of 5 seats for the Democrats, virtually unheard of in the 2nd term of a same party President. There was no net change in the Senate.

2000 saw a net gain of 1 in the House and 4 in the Senate.

[Tesha]

55. Is there a reason why your numbers stopped in 2000? (NT)

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[durrrty libby]

51. Disembowel any strong democrat????

If they are so strong, then their bowels will stay intact.

It's the foolish hate from our own party that kills us

Don't blame Hillary, blame you.

[quinnox]

14. Most likely

Maybe that is why Obama seems to not be aggressive towards her, he wants a place in her administration. I doubt any of the current candidates will attack Clinton too harshly because they want a place in her cabinet or future administration.

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

22. I wish,...she would support another woman for President.

No. I do not believe she will be President. Yes, she is capable of leting "by-gones be by-gones".

She is an extraordinarily intelligent and persistent and courageous woman!!! SHE IS!!! I don't deny and fully acknowledge what she is!!! But, damnit, she COULD BE humble enough to take all the resources she and her husband acquired to support the first woman President IF IF IF she wasn't so SO SO ambitious.

She is going to KILL US OFF with all the baggage she carries (and, YES, that baggage is NOT entirely her own).

Why can't she acknowledge the fact that, she can be far more successful in working from the "inside-out" by defeating her right-wing enemy via a backdoor rather than being stubbornly self-ambitious?

[durrrty libby]

42. What the heck? Why would she support someone else

when she is the most qualified?

She should be humble??? No way.

She is so ambitious? well duh..She wants to be president

But at least you got this right

"She is an extraordinarily intelligent and persistent and courageous woman!!! SHE IS!!!"

Exactly why she should be president

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

46. Her husband was President. She wants to be President.

She SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT in lieu of her husband, quite frankly.

She wasn't.

Who knows, she may be the first female President of the USA. Personally, I WANT A FEMALE PRESIDENT. However, I do not believe she will be that because,...her husband already served and the 'right-wing' has all ready destroyed her. MOREOVER, she's failed to take a stand against US imperialism by CHOOSING to give the neocons total power AND her husband holds hands with Sr. Bush every goddamned chance he gets.

NO. The Clintons have proven their willingness to 'play' in order to politically survive. I can't say either would fail to actually SERVE democracy if they reach the 'top',...but, I can't say they aren't already failures in maintaining the health of our democratic experiment.

I can say NEITHER have inspired me to believe our country will rise above the corporate plutocracy that is KILLING DEMOCRACY, to date, because they hold hands with that bunch.

And,...that is all I can say.