neo con R. Sen. Mel Martinez is a LIAR

[donsu]

he was on c-span's Wash. Journal this morning.

he said NAFTA has improved the economy of Mexico. but as everyone, including the Mexicans know, NAFTA ruined Mex. Mexican farmers were screwed.

he also said that nowadays fewer people are coming across the border because we have more Border Patrol Guards, etc. baloney

what Cuban exile neo con Martinez is really interested in is Mexico's OIL. by the look of smugness on his face, he believes the neo cons control it.

what a punk

[derby378]

1. You're surprised? All neo-cons are liars...

:shrug:

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. Just as a little reminder, NAFTA started with Bush I. n/t

[madfloridian]

11. I thought NAFTA passed under Clinton. Correct me if wrong.

Rahm on Frontline:

"You know, politics is about mending and tacking and so on, and setting your priorities. We were a very determined administration. We made a lot of compromises to get NAFTA passed and a lot of deals to get NAFTA passed. Did we cave in or not? We got it done. I don't think so.

Did we make changes in his overall economic plan? Yeah. That's the art of sausage baking. That's what passing legislation is about. Did the principles of his deficit reduction plan get passed and priorities both on where you were going to spend money get changed within the government? Yeah. ... Did it change from the beginning? Yeah. Did we make compromises along the way? Darn right. Do them again. But did the ball get across the end zone line? Did a budget get passed according to plan? Did NAFTA get passed according to plan? Did money get shifted to education according to plan? Did we pass a crime bill according to plan? Did we institute six new education programs that had never been on the books according to plan? Yes. Did the basic written legislation change? Yeah. But did the ball get across the goal line? Yup."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/clinton/interviews/emmanuel.html

No date on the article but appears to be from the 90s

More:

http://www.citizen.org/trade/nafta/votes/

"In November 1993, Congress passed the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), despite widespread popular opposition. Several weeks before the 1993 vote, opponents of NAFTA had gathered a slim majority of the votes. Yet NAFTA ultimately passed. At the time numerous press reports documented deals -- many unrelated to NAFTA -- that the Clinton Administration had made with individual Members of Congress and groups of Members to obtain their votes to pass NAFTA.

The legacy of broken promises on NAFTA performance: NAFTA threatened the safety of the nation's food supply, undermined the nation's environmental regulations, and subverted American democracy while it cost the U.S. good jobs.

Public Citizen has monitored the promises President Clinton made to congressional Representatives to push NAFTA passage to determine whether those promises were kept and whether the concerns underlying the deals were in fact addressed.

Many of the commitments that the Clinton Administration made in 1993 in order to get NAFTA passed were never fulfilled. Many of the actions that the Clinton Administration did take proved worthless for the parties they were supposed to help."

[Norquist Nemesis]

12. You're correct! Sold/signed by Clinton, but was put in play by Bush I

Clinton had been in office 11 months when NAFTA passed so he gets the credit/blame. But it was Bush I was set the foundation and agreements in place to go forward with it.

http://encarta.msn.com/text_761571000___8/George_H_W_Bush.html
"In 1991 Bush proposed a North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) between the United States, Mexico, and Canada, which would lower or eliminate tariffs on trade between the three nations. The proposal, favored by Canada and Mexico, was designed to help North America compete against the growing free-trade zones of Europe and Asia. The agreement was eventually taken up by his successor, Bill Clinton, and ratified by the U.S. Congress in November 1993."

[Jack Rabbit]

3. There are two ways to tell if a neoconservative is lying:

• His lips are moving;
• There is printed verbage underneath his byline.

[donsu]

5. lol

nt

[11 Bravo]

4. Neo-con, Republican, and liar in the same sentence constitutes a triple redundancy.

[donsu]

6. true - do I get a free throw for making a triple?

may Mel never be elected again.

punk

[whistle]

9. Redundancy can only help the country in Martinez's case

...he is a slime-ball

[ivycat]

7. "nowadays fewer people are coming across the border "

I thought they were coming over by the millions, that's why we need to gather them all up and ship them back where they came from. Obviously, he hasn't gotten to that memo yet. :sarcasm:

[whistle]

8. Ahhhhhhh...yes he certainly is! As a Floridian who has watched this

...thick slice of ham and cheese politician oil his way through politics for more than nearly 35 years as an Orlando lawyer involved on various boards and commissions in the area, then Lt Governor of Florida, then onto Washington DC to become head of HUD and now as a Senator from Florida, his entire career has been one big fat lie to further the narrow wealthy special interest groups at the expense of the little people of our state. From the vote fraud in his narrow margin victory of less that nine tenths of a percent over Dem. Bette Castor to the circulation of fraudulent claims against Dem Bill Nelson concerning political issues surrounding the private family case of the brain dead young women, Terri Schiavo, who had been on life support for over 14 years to polarize voters, there has been no end to the slime Martinez oozes wherever he puts his feet! The sooner this corrupt bastard is exposed to the national scene the quicker the country and our state can be rid of him.

[porphyrian]

10. Unfortunately, he's got that JEB! teflon (JEB!lon?). - n/t