I propose the immigration bill that most Americans want.

[Sapere aude]

The most important part of this bill would be a national ID card,legal papers, if you will. We would set up a new branch of Homeland Security Dept, another level of bureaucracy, if you will. Everyone would have to apply to this branch, (call it the NID department, similar to the DMV) for a national ID card. You would fill out a form and the NID would research your background, get your birth certificate from where you were born and any other information that is in a data base about you. That information would be put into your NID card. When ever you wanted to access government provided services you would have to present that card. It would be run through a scanner and all your information would be available to that part of the government. When you went to apply for a job you just give your NID card to any prospective employer and they would scan it just like the government would. When you went to buy health insurance or any kind of medical treatment you hand your card to the insurance company or provider and they would scan it also.

Anyone not able to prove their legal status would not get a card thus would not be able to access government services or get medical treatment etc. They would not be able to place their children into public schools nor would employers be able to hire them.

The NID department would have it's own enforcement agency, a police force if you will, with the ability to make random checks of individuals, the NID card would then be presented. These random checks could be vehicle stops or work place searches or even door to door canvasing of neighborhoods. Anyone with out the proper NID card, papers if you will, would be rounded up and put into detention camps to await deportation out of the country. Any children of these folks who were born in the US would be put into juvenile detention facilities to await foster care or be place in orphanage style institutions.

Anyone, no matter what their ailments or physical disabilities would be refused medical treatment, or social welfare or employment if they did not have the proper NID card. Thus they could not earn a living or be teated for communicable diseases and would they then would start a mass migration to what ever country they came from.

Those in the concentration camps would be put on busses and driven deep into Mexico and let off. The boarders would be secured by the NID department with the newly developed police force, gestapo if you will, An impenetrable wall would be built with laser detection systems and ground movement monitoring equipment. We would spend what ever it takes to make sure no one could get into this country alive without going through legal immigration methods.

That's about the gist of what most Americans would like our government to do about illegal immigration.



On edit: I did this as sarcasm. I'm trying to tell people what would happen if we did what most Americans want. Nobody really gets that I'm afraid.

You can't just enforce current law and we automatically go back to some time before there was illegal immigration and everyone made a living wage.

I really can't believe the stupidity of Americans on this subject. This is one time I think our representatives are smarter than the people. They are leading and we don't want to follow.

We are just a dumb as the freepers on this one.

[fasttense]

1. I have a simpler immigration bill that would solve all the problems.

Just fine the illegal employers $250,000 for each illegal they have working in their factory, on their farms or in their employ. Then do nothing else. Just wait and see what happens.

[enfield collector]

2. this would solve the problem in about 1 week.

[RB TexLa]

5. No it wouldn't. Someone presents me papers that appear correct

it's not my job as an employer to question them, and I would have no reason to do so.

[RaleighNCDUer]

9. Proper looking papers + background checks on hiring

and you're in the clear.

If you're too lazy to do background checks, you deserve what you get.

[RB TexLa]

10. The law doesn't require you to treat people like criminals

And I would not care to treat people as such. I understand certain jobs or industries require such check due to the nature of the work or environment.

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. Aw, cmon. I've never gotten a job application that didn't have a

'references' block. Just check the references. Is that so hard? It's not getting online and doing a criminal background check - just verifying the information given.

And you know what? If you hire an undocumented worker YOU are the criminal.

[RB TexLa]

13. Not everyone is as concerned with the legal status applied to human beings by the

US government as you are.

[RaleighNCDUer]

14. I suspect we are talking at cross purposes here.

I'm an open borders kinda guy. I think that anyone who wants to come here should, as long as they are not convicted criminals in their home country. I absolutely favor a total amnesty. The 'illegal' status only makes immigrants vulnerable to blackmail and exploitation by unscrupulous employers. If every worker had access to legitimate employment they could not be pressured into taking sub-par wages.

I also believe that the way to stop the exploitation of immigrants is to make sure that employers are held accountable for hiring people who do not have a legal right to work. Otherwise, if we gave amnesty to all the undocumented today, those employers would import more undocumented tomorrow to undercut the now legitimate workers. And which is easier to keep track of - several millions of individual immigrants or a few thousand employers?

No national ID is necessary. No draconian border protection. No concentration camps. Just ensure that employers work within the law, and fine the shit out of them if they don't.

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. That's my suggestion as well! It's Illegal Employment that is the problem. n/t

[Virginia Dare]

4. Add a mandatory jail term to that, and it would be pretty quick..n/t

[glowing]

6. I would add that the fine goes directly to city/ town and not into

a general federal cess pool to fund illeagal wars.

[rock]

8. It would even create a job industry

Companies that would vet your employees and insure that they're legit. They would pay the fine if they were wrong. This would be a big relief for the employer.

[treestar]

15. No, it's the government's job to enforce laws

Dumping it onto private citizens just increases costs for us all.

Employers will pass that cost on down.

It's a hidden tax, too, because it's the government's job.

Frankly, this country is too big to enforce restrictive immigration laws. We need to make it more like giving visas and identity documents to anyone that a US citizen wants here, either to hire or because they are relatives. The current system just creates underground people. Shows how insincere the freeper and such are about "security." They'd prefer 12 million underground people to facing reality.

[Cant trust em]

7. Supply and Demand

Another part of the solution would be that we work more closely with Mexico to increase economic opportunity and decrease corruption on their side of the border. Let's see what we can do for people to keep them from needing to come over in the first place.

[KamaAina]

12. That's the bill most Americans *think* they want.

If only we had a way to explain the consequences of it to them the way you just did to us, quite a lot of them would start to have second thoughts.

[Longhorn]

16. I got it!

I wouldn't want to live in the country you describe, and you didn't even try to list the other consequences of such a law, in addition to the obvious ones. :shrug: