New folk hero Ron Paul: "If you've been robbed by a black..you know how fleet-footed they can be!"

[Bluebear]

Beware the man who speaks to only one issue you agree with. Yes, he is speaking out against the war, but he is also a vile, hateful man:

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Texas congressional candidate Ron Paul's 1992 political newsletter highlighted portrayals of blacks as inclined toward crime and lacking sense about top political issues.

Under the headline of "Terrorist Update," for instance, Paul reported on gang crime in Los Angeles and commented, "If you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be."

Paul, a Republican obstetrician from Surfside, said Wednesday he opposes racism and that his written commentaries about blacks came in the context of "current events and statistical reports of the time." ...

Relaying a rumor that Clinton was a longtime cocaine user, Paul wrote in 1994 that the speculation "would explain certain mysteries" about the president's scratchy voice and insomnia. "None of this is conclusive, of course, but it sure is interesting," he said.

http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/aol-metropolitan/96/05/23/paul.html

[hippiechick]

1. Holy Moly!

:wow: Just like all those folks who used to want McCain to run with Kerry, eh?

[EFerrari]

2. Wtf? This country scares me.

:wtf:

[Phredicles]

3. I'll bite: Is he speaking from experience about being robbed?

[Bluebear]

5. I dunno, but "95% of black males in Washington DC are semi-criminal or entirely criminal"

Paul continued that politically sensible blacks are outnumbered "as decent people." Citing reports that 85 percent of all black men in the District of Columbia are arrested, Paul wrote:

"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal," Paul said.

[Virginia Dare]

9. Oh jeez, what a racist and loonbag...

and his statistical analysis skills really suck too.

[Phredicles]

11. So anyone arrested is automatically a criminal, as most people who live

near anyone arrested. Boy, that's some libertarian/small-government conservative.:sarcasm:

[deadmessengers]

4. oh boy...

:popcorn:

[Solly Mack]

6. I'm laughing but it's not funny

I'm laughing at the predictability of it all.

[Bluebear]

7. "He's *different* from other Republicans!"

No. He's not.

[Virginia Dare]

10. That's what I keep saying too..

he IS running as a Republican, and I don't give a crap about his anti-war stance, I disagree with the other 90% of what he stands for.

[tbyg52]

68. And he doesn't stick to his own professed philosophy

Aren't Libertarians supposed to be for keeping out of people's private lives? Then how does he square unwanted interference with a woman's body when she is pregnant? I heard him tap dancing around that one a talk show. It boils down to the same repug stance--my views are whatever they are because they are and how dare you question me.

[Solly Mack]

13. Exactly

every now and then a republican - conservative - right wing wacko - will say something that makes some sense...but that doesn't stop them from being what they are...

[femmedem]

28. And if you give a chimpanzee a typewriter and enough paper

eventually he or she will write Hamlet.

[Kahuna]

50. That's right. He's a republican for a reason.

:silly:

[Gelliebeans]

52. Exactly

that is what we saw a couple months back regarding Hagel and his stance against Iraq. The enemy of our enemy is NOT necessarily our friend.

[depakid]

14. People need to bear in mind that he's a Southern Republican

and no different than most Southern Republicans in that regard (fleet footed JC Watts notwithstanding). :evilgrin:

[IChing]

15. Ron Paul is a kernel of corn

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1061673&mesg_id=1061852

[CatWoman]

25. I'm laughing because it IS funny

:)

Mike Malloy schooled me on this moran last night

:)

Sincerely,

CatWoman the Fleet-footed :)

[Solly Mack]

29. LOL!

Imagine - a republican turns out to be a bigot. Whodathunkit? LOL

[Lone_Star_Dem]

8. He's just a laugh a minute, isn't he?

:puke:

[Bluebear]

He called former U.S. representative Barbara Jordan a "fraud" and a "half-educated victimologist."

That was in response to her calls for affirmative action.

[pepperbear]

12. I wasn't sold then and I'm certainly not sold now after having seen him on the DS

The man wishes to privatize EVERYTHING, without taking into account human nature.

[Donnachaidh]

16. A doctor who REFUSED to take Medicare patients

Now that's JUST the sort of leadership we need in this country.

NOT. :puke:

[Straight Shooter]

40. He wants to abolish Medicare.

He flatly stated so in his interview with Jon Stewart. Needless to say, the audience did not applaud. The best we can say about Paul is that he may be the lesser of all the GOP candidate evils, but the margin is razor thin.

[Donnachaidh]

61. He comes across as this giggly old nice guy

but some of his policies are frightening. He's NOT the candidate anyone should want.

[silverback]

67. Payments, the patients he took.

It was the money he declined.

[KurtNYC]

17. Redundancy: "racist republican"

Yes. he is a racist. But they all are.

He is a racist who has no real shot at ever being President but he is still a useful wedge in the GOP. Ron Paul can peel the libertarians away from the Mitt Romney's and other big spending, big government, nation-building, war chest bankrupting, racist Republicans (who do have a shot at the white house). He can continue to remind Republicans just how far away from their ideals they have moved.

[NightHawk63]

18. "Rethinking Birthright Citizenship" - Enjoy

http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst100206.htm

[ProgressiveEconomist]

75. Thanks for that URL. Paul sems like a loony loose-cannon for any cause with

which he might be involved.

On that webpage, Obstetrician Ron speaks from experience in Texas about helping undocumented women deliver what he calls "anchor babies". What a contemptuous way for a doctor to refer to his most helpless patients! Ron does not appear to be playing with a full deck.

Maybe he resents having not always been paid for attending to the needs of "deadbeats" when he was on call at hospitals. Maybe Ron wants only Caucasian mothers who can give obstetricians $5000 cash retainers should have their babies granted citizenship.

[shadowknows69]

19. I was robbed by a black man

he walked away slowly. He had a gun. Didn't need to run I guess. Didn't turn me into a racist though.

[Name removed]

20. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[AspenRose]

21. Are you lost?

Because this place is called DEMOCRATIC Underground.....

[Ferret Annica]

31. Are you?

I am a Pacific Green, and the whistle blower that derailed Nader's attempt to get on the ballot in Oregon via initiative petition.

I am also a forest activist who has done plenty of non-violent civil disobedience, and have the scars to prove it.

I am an Anarchist from Eugene, Oregon, and when voting in this flawed system, I vote for whom I feel is the evil of the two lessors. I never voted for Bill Clinton and find him a loathsome creep, but I vastly admire Wayne Morse, George McGovern, and feel John Kennedy was our last real POTUS.

I don't care what you think about my opinions, I just care what I think about my opinions. And yes, I am in the right place being here. Thanks for sharing your amusing little snipe at me. It means nothing.

[AspenRose]

33. Check the rules, I didn't make them up.

"Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office."

So when you say you'd support Ron Paul over other democrats, yes, it sounds like you're lost.

[Ferret Annica]

37. I know the rules

I am pro-choice, anti-Bush/Cheney, anti-war, pro environment, anti militarization of the police, pro shut-down of Gitmo, for war crime trials for the Bush Administration leadership, and have voted for Jesse Jackson, Jerry Brown, George McGovern, Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, John Kerry, and a few others in general and primary elections.

Before Clinton came along prompting me to become a Pacific Green I was a Democratic Precinct Committee person.

I know the rules, and I am in the right place. So what if I think Ron Paul is the best GOP candidate in this early season for the POTUS race and prefer him to a Democratic candidate? The rules were never meant to make live just that much more black and white.

I am in the bounds of the rules and in the right place. Quite the Pavlovian response my opinion gets from you. Thanks for sharing, I am amused.

[personman]

45. Is Ron Paul a lesser evil?

Do you know very much about right-"libertarians" or "anarcho"-capitalists? Is there any doubt that their ideology is worse than the status quo?
Are you aware of the (several, well-reasoned) anarchist critiques of so-called anarcho-capitalism?

"There are self-styled "anarcho-capitalists" (not to be confused with anarchists of any persuasion), who want the state abolished as a regulator of capitalism, and government handed over to capitalists."

-Donald Rooum in What is Anarchism

"Anarcho-capitalism, in my opinion, is a doctrinal system which, if ever
implemented, would lead to forms of tyranny and oppression that have few
counterparts in human history. There isn't the slightest possibility that
its (in my view, horrendous) ideas would be implemented, because they would
quickly destroy any society that made this colossal error. The idea of "free
contract" between the potentate and his starving subject is a sick joke,
perhaps worth some moments in an academic seminar exploring the consequences
of (in my view, absurd) ideas, but nowhere else.

I should add, however, that I find myself in substantial agreement with
people who consider themselves anarcho-capitalists on a whole range of
issues; and for some years, was able to write only in their journals. And I
also admire their commitment to rationality -- which is rare -- though I do
not think they see the consequences of the doctrines they espouse, or their
profound moral failings."

-Noam Chomsky


Also, Section F of the anarchist FAQ: Is "anarcho"-capitalism a type of anarchism?
http://www.infoshop.org/faq/secFcon.html

This is not necessarily the case with you, as I don't know you, but I see a lot of IMO gullible and enthusiastic young leftists and radicals who buy in to his Rage Against The Machine talk without looking in to him, and I think it's a shame.

[Bjorn Against]

46. So as a forest activist why are you supporting a man who wants to do away with environmental laws?

Ron Paul wants the big corporations to be able to clear cut forests all they want, and dump more toxins into our soil do you support that? If so how can you call yourself a forest activist?

[KingFlorez]

23. This is Democratic Underground

This isn't the place for you if you don't like a GOP candidate being criticized.

[Ferret Annica]

35. Bull

I merely understand that neocons will be attacking Dr. Paul on all fronts, including this one in trying to derail his insurgent campaign that threatens the neocon's hold on the GOP party.

You do not know me, and have no idea how very liberal my worldview actually is, and how little regard or faith in the system's ability to actually give us a decent POTUS from any current major party that I have.

I would vote for Obama over Dr. Paul, but I have no love for the Clintons. If that boggles your imagination, oh well, so it goes.

[Phredicles]

42. "I merely understand that neocons will be attacking Dr. Paul on all fronts"

Wait, so if we don't appreciate Paul's Libertarianism Of Convenience and are alarmed by his, shall we say, selectively impressionistic assessments of certain ethnic groups, we're neo-cons?

To borrow a term, Bull.

[Ferret Annica]

62. No, I am not saying you are neocons

I am saying that they are the originators of much the buzz generated on the Internet to try to discredit Dr. Paul. I make no accusations directed at anyone in particular. Please do not get your feathers ruffled in that manner, it is unwarranted.

[Ferret Annica]

63. If the GOP candidate is being unfairly lambasted

and I speak up, so what? I am from Oregon, Governor Tom Lawson McCall was an extremely liberal GOP Governor of the early 70s. I really dug him. And I like Mark O. Hatfield, former GOP Senator from Oregon. One of my idols, Wayne Lyman Morse who was a Democratic Senator, originally was a GOP Senator who switched in the early 50s.

Party affiliation is often more blurred to us third party members such as us Pacific Greens, but we are extremely liberal, and I am an Earth First! activist who has nearly died being made to fall three stories from a tree breaking many bones in my arms and my skull which put me in a coma several days.

I am in the right place, and I don't give a damn if you don't like my independence and iconoclasm. It is who I am and why when someone so completely wrong ran and became POTUS like William Jefferson Clinton I dropped out of the Democratic Party.

I was pissed and disillusioned. In this last election I worked tirelessly at the phone banks and canvassing for John Kerry. I was the whistle blower who kept Nader out of the race by discrediting the initiative petition campaign Repugs paid for to try to get him on the ballot to split the voting plurality to try to give Oregon to Bush, or at least spread Kerry's resources a wee bit thinner.

You react impulsively, much as a FReeper would. Not that you are, or that lame or stupid; but I don't need or want to hear your foolishness.

You may be Democratic, but there is a very good chance I am to the left politically of you. I may some day become a Democrat again. But if I am screwed with enough because I am not one now, that doesn't make me very eager to do that anytime soon. Have a good day.

[LeftishBrit]

65. It's not just a party issue...

As someone with an interest in recent American political history, I also have a huge respect for the memory of Wayne Morse, and for more recent people in a similar position like Jim Jeffords. There were other Republicans of the past, whom I think quite well of: Senators like Brooke and Javits and Case and Weicker; judges like Earl Warren - indeed wasn't John Paul Stevens a Republican to start with?

In the UK, there have been quite a few Tories of the past whom I would prefer to Blair: Harold Macmillan, R.A. Butler, Edward Boyle, several others. If, Heaven forbid, John Reid had become leader of the Labour Party right now, I would have had to think long and hard about whether Tory leader Cameron might be better.

I know all about being disillusioned with one's party, and though I've never voted Tory, I've voted mostly for our national third party (Lib Dem), and occasionally Green, for many years. I'm as far from a rigid party-loyalist as one could get.

What I have against Paul isn't that he's a Republican as such- it's that he's a racist, sexist in his policies, and extreme economic right-winger. (The latter facts are no doubt connected with his choosing to be a Republican!) I assume he's not going to win; and if he helps to split the Republican party, he may be a 'good thing' from the point of view of getting a Democratic president. I just think that, on the basis of his own words, he isn't anyone that a liberal/ left-winger should be supporting.

[Ferret Annica]

73. I am supporting him for the GOP nomination

I would only support him for the general if someone I absolutely loathed won the Democratic nomination.

I do not agree with your take on Dr. Paul. I think the racism and sexism spin is anti momentum medicine, with no real substance to them. As far as anything else goes, he would be a reasonable POTUS who worked well with Congress, wouldn't nominate anyone radically right wing or neocon to the SCOTUS and would not get much of his economic agenda passed. But he might be a good choice to reintroduce needed budgetary austerity and produce a needed reexamination and some introspection in how the government runs in terms of taxation and spending.

He is not my first choice, but I like him better then some of the Democrats running.

[silverback]

24. More than that, it's a lie.

Source material? Anyone?

A video or a credible witness or even an original publication containing any of these words?

It was a desperate campaign smear 11 years ago and now it's just sad.

Even sadder that you'd spread such slander without even attempting to verify it.

[Solly Mack]

26. Damn

lolololololol

[Forkboy]

32. Insanity...it's not just for breakfast anymore!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. He's only wrong on gay rights?

So you're saying he's right about black people?

[onenote]

43. "He's addressed this" -- Care to share what he said?

[CGowen]

47. here is something from 01

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1063768&mesg_id=1064164

[FredScuttle]

49. Here's what he added...

"They're good dancers, too, from what I hear"

[Kahuna]

53. LOL!

:rofl:



Did he really say that? :shrug:

[Kahuna]

51. Oh brother...

:eyes:

[bullwinkle428]

54. With regards to gay rights, being the Libertarian he is, he should

have NO PROBLEM WHATSOVER with gays serving openly in the military, as "individual rights" is placed at the forefront of their philosophy. He was not willing to come out and say that, so there's some serious inconsistency in his "ideological purity", which his supporters like to stress.

[Phredicles]

56. That's why he should be called a pseudo-libertarian or libertarian of convenience;

he takes libertaian positions when it suits his purposes but there's no consistency.

[Telly Savalas]

69. All libertarians do that.

Libertarianism is the belief that government is evil and should be limited except in cases it does things the libertarian agrees with.

[Phredicles]

70. Beautifully put!

I may have to, ah, borrow that somewhere down the line.:P

[KingFlorez]

22. It doesn't matter, he's anti-war

To a lot of people here, that one issue somehow makes him better than all the Democratic candidates. He might be anti-war, but he's not a good candidate.

[CGowen]

27. So he thinks a 57 year old like him at the time can't catch a teenager? n/t

[CGowen]

30. apparently not his words

These quotations became an issue during Paul's 1996 campaign for Congress. During the campaign, he declined to distance himself from the statements. But in a 2001 interview with Texas Monthly, he said he had never written or approved those words for his own newsletter. He said he failed to disavow the words during the campaign on the advice of his political advisors. "They just weren't my words," he tells me. "They got in because I wasn't always there. I didn't have total control. And I would be on vacations and things got in there that shouldn't have been."

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/02/ron_paul/index1.html

[onenote]

44. that is an extremely lame explanation/excuse

[Bjorn Against]

48. And why should we believe him when he won't even disavow the words?

Saying his political advisers told him not to disavow them is a lame excuse, if he didn't believe them he should so. It was his newsletter and he was responsible for the content.

[Bluebear]

60. I don't believe him. nt

[Old and In the Way]

34. Don't matter....the base will never elect Paul.

But he provides some comic relief....like a turd in the kool-aid punch bowl. I agree he'd be bad news as President on his domestic agenda, but he speaks like a real traditional Republican on foreign policy.

[Stinky The Clown]

36. I love some of DU's erstwhile 'heroes'

For some, it seems, the world is binary.

[Swamp Rat]

39. Good!!

He will continue to draw away isolationist, state's rights repukes from the GOP!!! :woohoo:

[Exultant Democracy]

41. I am not happy that Ron Paul has figured out the "internets," in the end

my friends I think we will come to remember this as a turning point. Eventually Ron Paul's, on-line community, organization and tactics will be used to benefit the Republican party, his organization has the potential to evolve into the equivalent of their, "MoveOn.org."

The good news is that our 10 year head start on the "internets" will probably give us an advantage during the next two elections while they work on their model.

[tjwash]

55. So this means he's NOT going after the Black Vote then?

nt

[Bullet1987]

57. I don't know any Republican that goes after the Black vote...lol

[ddeclue]

58. Ron Paul =r/w nut job!

and who TALKS like that??? "fleet footed"????


Weird!!

Doug D.

[marmar]

59. Thanks for the reminder, Bluebear.....

Just because an asshole is anti-war it doesn't make him any less of an asshole.

[Kurovski]

64. Oh no, he is most definitely a nutbag.

It's just weird to hear a Republican today tell any kind of hard truth.

We expect so little honesty from them that when we hear it, we go a little nuts ourselves.

He doesn't have a prayer.

[LeftishBrit]

66. Here are excerpts from a speech of his published on his own site - Argh!!!!

A Republic, If You Can Keep ItDr. Ron PaulU.S. Representative from Texas

Address to the U.S. House of Representativesdelivered on the Floor of the House January 31 - February 2, 2000

....The modern-day welfare state has steadily grown since the Great Depression of the 1930s. The federal government is now involved in providing health care, houses, unemployment benefits, education, food stamps to millions, plus all kinds of subsidies to every conceivable special-interest group. Welfare is now part of our culture, costing hundreds of billions of dollars every year. It is now thought to be a "right," something one is "entitled" to. Calling it an "entitlement" makes it sound proper and respectable and not based on theft. Anyone who has a need, desire, or demand and can get the politicians' attention will get what he wants, even though it may be at the expense of someone else. Today it is considered morally right and politically correct to promote the welfare state. Any suggestion otherwise is considered political suicide.
.


....Controlled curricula have downplayed the importance of our constitutional heritage while indoctrinating our children, even in kindergarten, with environmental mythology, internationalism, and sexual liberation. Neighborhood schools in the early part of the 20th Century did not experience this kind of propaganda.

....It is now accepted that people who need (medical) care are entitled to it as a right. This is a serious error in judgment.

...Probably the most significant change in attitude that occurred in the 20th Century was that with respect to life itself. Although abortion has been performed for hundreds if not thousands of years, it was rarely considered an acceptable and routine medical procedure without moral consequence. Since 1973 abortion in America has become routine and justified by a contorted understanding of the right to privacy. The difference between American's rejection of abortions at the beginning of the century, compared to today's casual acceptance, is like night and day. Although a vocal number of Americans express their disgust with abortion on demand, our legislative bodies and the courts claim that the procedure is a constitutionally protected right, disregarding all scientific evidence and legal precedents that recognize the unborn as a legal living entity deserving protection of the law. Ironically the greatest proponents of abortion are the same ones who advocate imprisonment for anyone who disturbs the natural habitat of a toad.

....The welfare system has mocked the concept of marriage in the name of political correctness, economic egalitarianism, and hetero-phobia.


....Any academic discussion questioning the wisdom of our policies surrounding World War II is met with shrill accusations of anti-Semitism and Nazi lover. No one is even permitted without derision by the media, the university intellectuals, and the politicians to ask why the United States allied itself with the murdering Soviets and then turned over Eastern Europe to them...

[LSK]

71. everyone should try and catch the Jon Stewart interview with him

Where Jon illustrates his stance against social security and medicare.

[underpants]

72. Wow talk about an impressive vertical leap to conclusions

He had old coot written all over him anyway

[BlooInBloo]

74. Par for the course in America.