Will DEMS CALL OUT "PRO-LIFE" GOP PREZ Candidates who have NO Problem with 650,000 DEAD Iraqis?

[FrenchieCat]

using tactical Nukes, or splitting families apart if they have violated immigration laws, or not allowing loving Gay couples from being joined in recognized unions, and not seemingly caring much about Katrina victims.

I saw the GOP debate.....not all of it, but I did see the part about them being the "pro-life" party.

When will the Corporate media call Republicans out on this blatant and obvious hypocracy?

Why in the hell are the "Dots" not being connected on this?

I want our Dem Candidates to pounce on these assholes in reference to this "pro-life" bullshit, pronto!

That is why I don't believe shit that any politician says....I go by deed and record.

Fuck the high fallutin' rethoric!

:mad:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0706/05/se.01.html

HUCKABEE: I really believe that, if you define it a moral issue, it is our respect, our sanctity and our understanding of the value of every single human life.

Because that is what makes America a unique place on this planet: We value every life of an individual as if it represents the life of us all.

Many of us who are pro-life, quite frankly, I think, have made the mistake of giving people the impression that pro-life means we care intensely about people as long as that child is in the womb. (Doh...ye-Ha! :eyes: ) But beyond the gestation period, we've not demonstrated as demonstrably as we should that we respect life at all levels, not just during pregnancy. (and, watcha gonna do about it? :eyes: )

We shouldn't allow a child to live under a bridge or in the backseat of a car. We shouldn't be satisfied that elderly people are being abused and neglected in nursing homes. It should never be acceptable to us that people are treated as expendable -- any people. (and, watcha gonna do about it? :eyes: )


But the unique part of our country is that we elevate and we celebrate human life. And if you look at us with a contrast to the Islamic jihadists, who would strap a bomb to the belly of their own child, march him into a crowded room, set the detonator and kill innocent people, they celebrate death; we celebrate life.

It's the fundamental thing that makes us unique, and it keeps us free. I pray we never, ever abandon that basic principle. :wtf:

BROWNBACK: I think it's the life issue clearly, and I'm pro-life and I'm whole life.

And one of the things I'm the most -- the proudest about our party about is that we've stood for life. We've been a party that has stood for a culture of life. And it was in our platform in 1980, and it continues today.

And with that respect -- and I have respect for my other colleagues -- that's why I don't think we can nominate somebody that's not pro-life in this party, because it is at our core.

We believe that every life is beautiful, is sacred, is a child of a loving God from natural -- from conception to natural death.

And that applies not only here and in the womb, it applies to somebody that's in poverty, it applies to the child in Darfur. :wtf:

And that philosophy, being pro-life and whole life, is something I think can really help move us forward as a country and as a party.

Yeah, OK......What-E-ver! :eyes:

[RufusTFirefly]

1. All you have to do is quibble with the counting methodology

It's a bit like questioning the science behind global warming.
Maybe it's actually less than 650,000. Maybe it's actually more.
Whatever.
What's important is that this tactic effectively derails the discussion and prevents a politician from having to confront his or her own callousness and hypocrisy.

[FrenchieCat]

2. Well, one could be prepared for that comeback.......of how many dead....

since there are back ups to support the number!

More than 650,000 people have died in Iraq since the U.S. led invasion of the country began in March of 2003. This is according to a new study published in the scientific journal, The Lancet. The study was conducted by researchers at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad. Researchers based their findings on interviews with a random sampling of households taken in clusters across Iraq. The study is an update to a prior one compiled by many of the same researchers. That study estimated that around 100,000 Iraqis died in the first 18 months after the invasion.
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/12/145222
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6246127
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/10/11/182938/36


But yeah......I think if the Dems had their "fact-check" in order, they could do some real damage in terms of attacking GOP on this issue.

[glowing]

5. Questioning global warming... if scientists do not question it, you

would mot know anything about it. Global warming and the science and the models always need to be questioned.... we always need better data and better methodology. To say that we shouldn't question hypothesis and continually test them is lunacy... its right up there with the world is flat and the sun revolves around the earth. This is one of the reasons I hate text book science. It takes the thought and questioning and discovery out of science.

[FrenchieCat]

7. Yes, but what I am talking about is not debatable science by any stretch....

these are dead bodies! There can be no argument about this. Whether it is 400,000 or 650,000 dead bodies, the party of "LIFE" is up to its collar in hypocracy.....since they were so gun-ho to go into this war! Their leader, who professes to love Jesus Christ, as well as the rest of them are simply not interested in the well being of "life". And them saying it doesn't make it so.

The Democratic Candidates who have a microphone need to be talking about this like yesterday.

I'm writing letters to their campaign.

The opening is larger than the open borders between Mexico and the US for Jesus' sakes!

[glowing]

10. I understand dead people are not debateable. Believe me I protest

as much as I can... I feel like I need to do more. I just wouldn't use the analogy with science... I would use it with something solid. I do not dispute your reasoning with the Pro-life and war. Like many have said, the Republican mantra is "we support life until you are born".

The reason people are worried about illeagal immigrants is because they are worried about their little bubble.. A lot of jobs have been outsourced, illeagal immigration has pushed down the wage. Housing, gas and prices in general are getting harder and harder for a lot of people. This has to do with general quality of life. If the middleclass goes, there is no in between... you have become a real slave nation. Its fear. And this is more real that Iraqi's dying in another country. This is tangible and they can feel it.

[sniffa]

3. but they don't count

however, they are upset that some of those iraqis were pregnant women. not for the women of course, but for the unborn chiLdren.

[FrenchieCat]

4. Yep! But my point is that just like Guliani attacks Democrats on issues......

on a national platform (the debates), our Democrats better start attacking the GOP Candidates (as a group) relentlessly on this.....like right now. I don't know what we are waiting for, but this needs to happen over and over again. The hypocracy is simply too clear NOT to point it out......time after time. That's what the GOP does, and the difference is that this attack would be nothing but truth!

[FrenchieCat]

6. I'm gonna be writing some letters to the media about this shit........

Them talking out of their ass to placate themselves in this kind of Alice in Wonderland "we are soooo great" mentality.

Noise need to be made on this.

[Initech]

8. Only furthers my theory that pro life = culture of death

And yet these are the same people that run off screaming "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA" with their hands over their ears at the very mention of anything sex related.

If these people really were pro life, you'd think they'd embrace sex and encourage it while frowning on death (ie, um, WAR!!!! which has killed over 650,000 people so far). Yet they also encourage abstinence, which goes strongly against the pro life theory.

I know I'm rambling, I'm just looking for a little consistency in this stupid pro life arguments. :eyes:

[FrenchieCat]

9. Just write a letter to whatever Dem Prez campaign you are supporting

suggesting this "discrepancy" between "caring for life" and not wanting to count the Dead as a political attack against Republicans.

Our Dems need to take a page out of the GOP toolkit, Don't just attack your primary opponents, attack the General Election opponents. THe GE is the big prize and comes really, really soon after the Primaries. The public need to hear this discrepancy over and over again.

This could affect which primary the Independents (who in many place can choose which primary to vote in)choose to participate in.

[AllyCat]

11. Maybe some will, but my guess is, most won't

Frankly, I feel that the majority of Dems in Congress support this war in some way or don't want to admit they've made mistakes. By calling on the Repukes to explain themselves, they'll just open themselves up to criticism for voting for this or that.

Kucinich might (probably has) but won't get MSM coverage. Gravel too. And Ron Paul for that matter. But the lot of them, on the whole, I hold partially complicit in this mess and I doubt they'll do anything about it.

[FrenchieCat]

12. Well that IS a problem, but only to some degree......

any Democratic candidate who is pro-choice should want to use this argument.....because the whole point is that Republicans act like they have the corner market on the "sanctity of life".....which of course they don't.

I realize that Previously "ProWar" Dems, in particular those who supported agressively supported this war might be a bit timid about using this argument against the GOP........but that's the problem; timidity!

Obama and Kucinich in particular could use this to their advantage....since they opposed the war from day one! Actually it makes no difference which Dem says it, as long as the message is heard.

[Nikki Stone1]

13. Maybe they can just arrange for a bolt of lighting to all the GOP candidates.

:)

[FrenchieCat]

14. Well, that would be a "Godsend"........now, wouldn't it? heehee! n/t

[Nikki Stone1]

15. Hey, it would send ME back to church!

:evilgrin:

[FrenchieCat]

16. Well, as a minister's wife, I'm on my knees as I type.......Praying for a miracle of this nature,

Cause lighting striking 10 times with that type of accuracy would be just that.......that's is certain...LOL!

[Nikki Stone1]

17. Would it help to put antennas on these guys?

And then pray for rain?

[FrenchieCat]

18. or do a Rain dance!