Should The Kansas Girl Murder Suspect Get The Death Penalty

[Parche]

Story Highlights• NEW: Edwin Hall, 26, appears before judge in Kansas woman's death
• NEW: Man matching video charged with abduction, murder
• Body of Kelsey Smith, 18, found across state line in Missouri
• Recent high school grad had been missing since Saturday evening

(CNN) -- A Kansas man appeared before a judge Thursday on charges he abducted a teenager from an Overland Park, Kansas, store parking lot and killed her.

Edwin Roy Hall, 26, of Olathe, Kansas, appeared via closed-circuit television from the New Century Adult Detention Facility in Gardner, Kansas. Court records posted online indicate he told the judge he had not yet hired an attorney but plans to do so.

Hall is charged with first-degree murder and aggravated kidnapping in the death of Kelsey Smith, 18.

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I dont know if there is one in Kansas, but should he get the death penalty if convicted?

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"Throughout history, compassionate minds have pondered this dark and disturbing question: What is society to do with those members who are a threat to society, those malcontents and misfits whose behavior undermines and destroys the foundations of civilization? Different ages have found different answers. Misfits have been burned, branded, and banished. Today on this planet Earth, the criminal is incarcerated in humane institutions, or he is executed.

[uppityperson]

1. Don't know enough facts and am against death penalty in general.

Don't know enough facts so cannot judge. Am against death penalty in general so say no.

[MedleyMisty]

2. No.

State murder is unacceptable.

[MistressOverdone]

3. No

but I would not be adverse to seeing him locked into a room with her brothers and daddy for just a few minutes.

[LisaL]

4. As I understand it, because she was taken across state lines,

her alleged killer is eligible for the death penalty.

[noamnety]

5. No.

The death penalty is harmful to society both socially and financially.

[rug]

6. No suspect should be executed.

Nor convict.

[liberalnurse]

7. Yes!

I would have no problem with someone taking him out back and .........ending his respirations.

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[Midlodemocrat]

54. Let's taser him to death.

That'll learn him!!!!


:eyes:

[liberalnurse]

75. A little late now.....

The girl has already been raped and murdered............

[Beaverhausen]

8. No - he should get life without parole if he is convicted

[magellan]

9. No

Death is too good for whoever did this.

[progdonkey]

10. No...

but I wouldn't shed a tear if some other guys in the prison he ends up in decide to share him as a prison bitch and/or he ended up getting shivved at some point.

The guy deserves to die, but the government doesn't have the right to be the agent of his death.

[Forkboy]

11. No.

[beyurslf]

12. KS does have a death penalty and it appears this case is eligible.

I would generally be against it in most cases.

[Jed Dilligan]

14. He should live as a lab rat

Studied and experimented on by psychologists every second of every day for the next howevermany years.

[ordinaryaveragegirl]

15. No

He'll suffer plenty in prison: 1) realizing exactly what he did, and 2) from the wrath of other inmates.

Capital punishment just doesn't do justice to a creep like this. He deserves life without parole and solitary confinement.

[liberalnurse]

20. Not really......they blend in with the rest.

There are soooooooooooooooomany sex offenders, rapist/murders now in prison...it has become common. They have sex crime inmates now in their own prison just for that crime.


another thought...........

They become just another life-long, free-bee for state elite healthcare services. They get 100% of everything they want, not just need in prison, while our elderly suffer without dentures, lay in their own waste and eat pureed left overs if they are in a Nursing Home and are dependent.

[Book Lover]

23. ROFL!!!

You are so chummy with LE, why don't you go get a prison nursing job? After all, wouldn't you want to treat patients using all that state-of-the-art, plentiful supply line you think they have?

[liberalnurse]

30. I really dislike the disparity all aspects of socialized care and/or treatment

of prisoners and our dependent elderly. The prisoners are able to self-advocate...our dependent elderly can not find the voice. So, the predator wins all rounds...for free too...100% better food, housing, socialization, 100% free health care without care of cost. Elderly are denied medication, food, housing all due to "Who is going to Pay" compared to no questions asked for prisoners.

[Book Lover]

32. The idea that prisoners have this great free ride is simply laughable

Yes, our elders are not given a free ride by our government - my father and I are living it. But this assertion of yours that prisoners as a group get access to this high-quality free heath care service is just not true. And therefore laughable.

[liberalnurse]

37. I beg to differ with you on that.

If they need a kidney transplant...they get it, dialysis, chemotherapy even if they murdered someone, a child....someone will die for them to get a kidney.... Hey, ya want your teeth fixed with bridge-work etc..., you got it. Do ya have Hep C from IV drug use? Here is your auto-immune treatment, need a live...here ya go.

Got a bad heart from all that crack?....Here, let's do a 4-vessel by-pass.....Ya feel sad, no pussy?...Here take this feel-good pill;

Hurt your knee while running from the cops? Here, let's give him a knee replacement....No worry...it's free or the state pays for it.



:banghead:

[Seedersandleechers]

65. I worked as a nurse at that same Gardner facility for several years....

I now work at the Jackson County jail where inmates get sleep studies, meds for pimples, and trazodone so they can sleep. I could write a book......

[liberalnurse]

74. Thank you for your honorable commitment.

I believe you work in a thankless job. I sense gratitude is as rare as moon rocks. My clinical experience pales to what you do.............I think you should write that book!


O8)

[liberalnurse]

40. No thanks...........

I prefer ER. I like the schedule. It gives me time to work on campaigns and Nursing Legislation. I teach at times too.

[Iris]

26. they get everything they want?

Like what? TV, weight room? Is that really all anyone could ever want?

Besides, keeping a prisoner on death row is more expensive than keeping him in a regular prison.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. Did you here they have COLOR tv nowadays?

Man, those inmates have all of the state-of-the-art stuff these days.

[Iris]

61. I won't be mad unless I hear they have REMOTE CONTROL!

Then I'll just ... :grr:

[Seedersandleechers]

68. How about plasma TV....

I've seen them at county

[Iris]

80. does each inmate have his own?

[Aviation Pro]

16. Should a man receive a trial first before discussing punishment?

Should the media pay just a wee more speck of attention to the number of troop "murders" caused by the Bush administration?

Should Rupert Murdoch be stripped of his citizenship and then as an illegal alien be deported to Gitmo?

Should Scooty LickinBallsSoon be given the same treatment as pussy heiress Paris "Boo Fucking Hoo" Hilton?

Just asking....

[EstimatedProphet]

17. No

If it's later found out that he was convicted by mistake, then what?

[liberalnurse]

19. That is so very remote.......today, DNA evidence is good enough for me!

I will not coven these sadistic souls. Terminate and re-cycle I say...(reincarnation/karma thinking).

[EstimatedProphet]

21. Sorry, I disagree

http://seattlepi.newsource.com/local/183007_crimelab22.html

IMO if 1 person is convicted and executed wrongly, that's too many.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. karma thinking?

Doesn't sound like karma to me.

or thinking...

[Parche]

28. THINKING

NO its Karma Chameleon........:rofl: :rofl: :hi:

[Parche]

36. LN

Hey I am with you Liberalnurse

People like this dont deserve to live, if convicted..........:hi:

[liberalnurse]

55. Looks like we are the "bold and brave" thinkers at DU.

I'll gladly take the heat to advocate for these innocent victims who suffered such pain and fear.

I don't sweat the small stuff here....I'm firm with my opinion on a plan of action for these empty souls,....

Lock-n-Load. :hi:

[bullimiami]

18. no. and im so sick of the 'life is precious crowd' which loves the death penalty

and war, and wouldnt spare a penny for a starving poor family but have to save their snowflakes and blastocysts.

[Selatius]

22. No. Capital punishment is just more needless killing and death dealing.

I am opposed to the death penalty on principle. Killing the man will deprive him of the choice to either repent for his wrongdoing or not. If there is an off-chance that he will repent, even if it's one in a trillion, that's more than enough for me to warrant at the very harshest life in prison with no parole, but not death. There is enough death already without adding more to the body count.

[liberalnurse]

41. It's quite cost effective.

I support community sanctions. Death is an option for violating these community boundaries such as child rape/abduction, child murder for sexual gratification...Yea, times up. That is the message I want to shout loud and clear. Learn it, obey it ortake your execution swiftly. It's their choice.

[Selatius]

53. It's quite cost effective to kill a man with a bullet to the head as well.

If you want to argue for executions, then do you support humane executions?

[liberalnurse]

78. Yes, I support humane executions.; lethal injection.

I would go as far to explore the use of a PICC Line insertion the day before the execution. There has been problems reported with waiting until the actual execution to start the IV to were the IV access has been difficult to secure. A PICC line would improve the expedition of the order.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PICC_line

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A peripherally inserted central catheter (PICC or PIC line) is a form of intravenous access that can be used for a prolonged period of time, e.g. for long chemotherapy regimens, extended antibiotic therapy or total parenteral nutrition. First described in 1975<1> it is an alternative to subclavian lines, internal jugular lines or femoral lines which have higher rates of infection. Subclavian and internal jugular line placements may result in pneumothorax (punctured lung).

A PICC is inserted in a peripheral vein, such as the cephalic vein, basilic vein, or brachial vein and then advanced through increasingly larger veins, toward the heart until the tip rests in the distal superior vena cava or cavo-atrial junction.

PICCs are usually inserted by radiologists, physician assistants, radiologist assistants, or certified registered nurses using ultrasound, chest radiographs and fluoroscopy to aid in their insertion and to confirm placement

[Selatius]

79. You see, I personally find the "humane executions" line pure crap and totally offensive

I mean, here you have somebody arguing for treating the condemned humanely when the ultimate outcome is death. It's missing the big picture that the condemned is going to die. I find it the most utterly astonishing display of the paradox of the human mind in existence. If one wants to talk about humanity, all I can say is that for me there is no such thing as a humane death penalty.

I find it as nothing but dishonest humanity. State sanctioned murder is grotesque, and "humane" executions performed by the state are both grotesque as well as dishonest. At least China and Saudi Arabia are more honest about their death penalty. Nothing about looking for the welfare of the condemned. Why bother? The guy is going to die. In China, they simply put a bullet in his head. In Saudi Arabia, they chop off the guy's head. Those governments are frank about the death penalty in that they dispense with the fake humanity. State governments here and the federal government are not frank about it.

I believe in reform, and I believe in the teachings of people like Jesus and Gandhi in terms of forgiveness and atonement and reform, but the death penalty is not anything of the sort. I find it morally reprehensible, and all I can say to people is that if they favor the death penalty so much, dispense with the bullshit humanity and simply put a fucking bullet in his head like they did in the bad old days, but don't lie about wanting to be humane or of deferring to the munitions of humanity.

Just bring the man out; have a small formal ceremony; have a prison guard officer with an officer's pistol walk up to the man; and put a bullet in him in the bricked off courtyard with barb wire fences. Film it for record and store it away for future generations. Give copies to anybody who wishes to see it. Since the state is doing it, it's a matter of public record. I would be disgusted with a state that does this, but I could say I would not feel the state was being dishonest about it either.

[Jed Dilligan]

70. Untrue

Death row costs more than life in prison because of the extra security and costly appeals process.

[Book Lover]

25. No one should get the death penatly

I will say it for as long as I have to: It is not prudent, wise, or correct to allow the state to kill its citizens.

[mitchum]

29. He should go stand in The Corner

[karlrschneider]

39. And sent to bed without supper.

:eyes:

[mitchum]

43. Is it still called that in Kansas?

I'm just referencing The Corner as I learned about in "In Cold Blood"

[TreasonousBastard]

31. If convicted-- no. If not convicted, certainly no. n/t

[Solo_in_MD]

33. Don't know engough of the facts but I do support the death penalty in some cases

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

34. No. eom

[Madspirit]

35. I NEVER support the death penalty. NEVER...n/t

[DemGa]

38. Locked in a cell 23 hrs. a day till he dies

It's a horrible, horrible crime, but I'm opposed to the death penalty.

[liberalnurse]

42. They will find ways to get out ......

more time out of the cell that is.....they are very manlipulative.

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[liberalnurse]

52. You don't know me at all...........

I'm both a life-long liberal and a practicing Registered Nurse with a Masters Degree. I have my opinion. Nursing is a job and not my identity.

Not all liberals think exactly like you.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it "Itchy".:smoke:

Since you assume so much without really valdating your claim....let me share this in response.

Understanding Karma is knowing it is not a Science but just a conceptual belief from one chosen Religious interpretation....like a faith-based "hobby".

Justice is defined:

wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

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the quality of being just or fair

the administration of law; the act of determining rights and assigning rewards or punishments;

"justice deferred is justice denied"

judge:

a public official authorized to decide questions brought before a court of justice

Department of Justice:

the United States federal department responsible for enforcing federal laws (including the enforcement of all civil rights legislation); created in 1870

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[IChing]

60. Exactly--

Nurse Ratched:
'If Mr. McMurphy doesn't want to take his medication orally,
I'm sure we can arrange that he can have it some other way.
But I don't think that he would like it. '

[liberalnurse]

73. Itchy, I have to hand it to you.....

You are indeed an inspiration to the Minority House.....

Now, if you could only comprehend the practice IChing, you would be complete.....Presently, you are a glass half full of stale beer ....clarity and divination is not your strength.

[MrSlayer]

44. If guilty, yes.

And quickly.

[ulysses]

46. no. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

47. STONE THE DUDE WITH LARGE STONES...bury him to the neck and stone away

so sez the BIBLE

[SeattleGirl]

48. No.

I do not support the death penalty.

[qdemn7]

49. Absolutely

and unequivocally. This piece of human filth could be a poster child for Capital Punishment.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

50. Should the murderer of the murderer get the death penalty?

If killing is wrong, shouldn't the person/people killing the murderer also suffer the consequences of their actions?

[SeattleGirl]

51. Exactly. Especially because the cause of death of the executed

person is listed as "Homocide."

[mitchum]

66. "Homicide" is not necessarily a criminal term...

suicides are technically homicides. If someone attempts suicide and fails, should they then be charged with "attempted homicide"?

[SeattleGirl]

72. No. Homicide is when one person kills another.

Suicide is when one kills, or attempts to kill, themselves. Regardless, though, I'm against the death penalty.

[JerseygirlCT]

56. No. No one should get the death penalty, ever. nt

[aikoaiko]

58. With due process, YES.

[MisterHowdy]

59. Yes

Planet is becoming overcrowded
and the American penal system does NOT rehabilitate criminals

Murderers deserve death.
IMO of course.

[mr_hat]

62. She was cute. So yes.

[brentspeak]

63. If convicted, yes

[tinfoilinfor2005]

64. yes.

Husband worked for years in the prison system and he would relay many stories of serial killers and murderers who were glorified by the msm. They got lots of perks that weren't offered to other inmates because of their "celebrity". I remember meeting him one day at his office and seeing a notorius serial killer walking around freely and doing a "photo shoot" of the families who had come to visit. Husband said, "Yes, he is interested in photography and his lawyers have set up special circumstances where he can photograph family visits."
This is a guy who was convicted of many serial killings. WTF???

[mudesi]

67. The death penalty is immoral and barbaric. Period. (nm)

[AuntPatsy]

69. Hard to answer such a question without all the facts.

[StarryNite]

71. It's easy to say 'no' and that he

should just be locked up for the rest of his life so he could think about what he did. Yet if my kid were his victim I would want to kill the piece of shit myself.

[Bluebear]

76. The death penalty is the easy way out for the criminal & does not bring a loved one back

'Today on this planet Earth, the criminal is incarcerated in humane institutions, or he is executed.'

Indeed. The USA is supposed to be humane. Let him live out the, what, 50 years left of his wasted life thinking of what he did.

[cboy4]

77. No.

I'm heart broken for this family.

But murdering him will not bring her back.

[11 Bravo]

81. Shouldn\'t he get, oh, I don\'t know, a trial first?

[RB TexLa]

82. He's already been convicted? Damn, that was fast.

[Beelzebud]

83. I am against the death penalty. Period.