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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:31 PM
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IF YOU DON'T LIKE AMERICA,. THEN YOU CAN GEEEET OUT!!!
I plan to, mental redneck douchebag, I plan to.

In fact, I hate America, there, I said it.

Strike that, I hate what America has BECOME.

This used to be the land of the free.

No longer.

This once was the home of the "brave".

Now, our populace has largely been reduced to sniveling cowards who exist (not live) in fear of the next "terrist attack" that Unca Boosh will protect you from. All you have to surrender is your very soul, your essential humanity, and out of that eminently foolish bargain, you, Mr. Rightist, get a wonderful false sense of "security", whatever that means in this ignoble year of our Lord (with all due sarcasm), Two Thousand and Seven.

This country is my enemy. This government is my enemy. And all too quickly, the PEOPLE of this once proud, honorable nation are becoming my enemy as well. I'm no spring chicken, I know of the atrocities perpetuated by the United States of America since our inception, but let's be honest, there is a fundamental, qualitative difference between past crises and the morass in which we are at present, collectively mired. This is a disaster of our own making. And by "our", I mean the Joe Sixpacks and 'Sally Housecoats' out there.

In the past, we the people could claim ignorance of the atrocious behavior of our elected officials, but once we've pulled back the curtain (as we have), and seen that the wizard is no more than some yahoo from the (proverbial) Midwest, then the culpability for the "wizard's" crimes falls upon ALL of our shoulders.

I am ashamed, utterly mortified, to be of this country. I DO NOT believe that my labor should be used to perpetuate death and destruction of innocents any longer, so I'm making arrangements to leave, once and for all.

For those of you who don't know, my brother is going back to Iraq in about two months time. He was supposed to be in country in about a week, but the Army (in its infinite stupidity) decided that they were going to keep him stateside 'til then, and ship him right into hell's maw when things will undoubtedly take a MAJOR turn for the worst. So, this is kind of personal for me.

To get to my ultimate point of the afore-read diatribe, I plan to goad a freeper or hundred into putting their money where their traitorous mouths are. Their veritable mantra is similar to this: "You don't like AMERICA? Then why don't you go to IRAQ?!"

I propose, to those brain-morons, "Fuck Iraq." Your "savior" done fucked it up so bad that all the king's horses, all the knig's men... How does that go?" No. No thanks. Not fir me. Speaking of which, why are you still stateside, lurking Freeps? Oh, RIGHT, "other priorities".

If those treasonous fucks want ME out of the country, as I'm so often implored to do, then they need to pony up to the "Get this man out of Jesusland (TM) and to a SANE country" fund. There are what, 250k Freeps? Shit, if they'd kick in a dollar per, I'd have enough money to get my America-hating-ass the FUCK out once and for all.

They'd never have to deal with me ever again. I'D NEVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM AGAIN (immeasurably worthwhile, IMHO). Everyone would be happy!

How much do you care to wager that just as always, the other side of the aisle would shirk their self-stated purpose and have "other priorites", when the time came to stand up for their principles? $0.00? Yeah, me too.

For the record, "I hate this America, and the sooner I can get the FUCK out, the better."

Again, there, I said it. I KNOW that I'm not the only one who feels this way. Those who are like-minded, stand with me. Your only other choice is silence. And silence is acquiescence. And acquiescence... I need say no more.

I want out, the sooner the better. So to those who would all-too-quickly brand me an "America-hater", I say: You're right."

So bankroll me and I'll be out of your hair once and for ALL... Oh, and a hearty "FUCK YOU!" while I'm at it.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:33 PM
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1. What I say is you get out, this is my country and I want it back, if you want
a police state so badly there are plenty other countries that have had such for many years...I am not going anywhere.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:39 PM
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4. It is that he doesn't want a police state...
and this country does not currently resemble anything like a democratic republic.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:45 PM
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6. He obviously is not aware just what kind of government is now in control then or he would be wanting
out if that is what he is against.
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:51 PM
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8. "...If you want a Police State so badly..."
Sir or Madam, this has BEEN a Police State for quite some time. And it's only going to get much, much worse before it gets even marginally better. I'm done. You want to try to wrest control of the corporatist apparatus that has virtually enslaved the American people? More power to you.

I'm done. Best of luck.

I DO hate the current incarnation of the former United States of America.

And I'm out, once and for all, as soon as possible.

That is all. I utterly refuse to be a party to this any longer. Adios a las problemas del paises y las guerras entremeses, en total.

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:30 AM
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14. I understand your frustration but I fear that other countries will follow suit if this country
does not stop it here...too many like it already...
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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 02:53 PM
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20. I agree
once the pretense of democracy become untenable I have no doubt that it will be done away with not only in our country but the rest of the world.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:43 AM
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16. how long is 'quite some time'?
I gotta say that America does not seem all that different than it was 25 years ago.

From your rant, I am not quite sure what you are upset about, except the military service of your brother, but something like 400,000 Americans died in WWII and the USA was so evil that it actually dropped two nuclear bombs. So today is worse, how?
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:58 PM
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23. Oh, It's Different Now
It didn't seem like this when I was younger, or was I not paying attention?
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:56 PM
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11. I think the Dead Kennedys said it best
Real freedom scares you
'Cos it means responsibility

So you chicken out and threaten me

Saying, "Love it or leave it"
I'll get beat up if I criticize it
You say you'll fight to the death
To save your worthless flag
If you want a banana republic that bad
Why don't you go move to one
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 04:00 PM
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24. Punk Rock Rules!!!
Hooray for the Dead Kennedys. We need *real* punk rock again, not the toothless pop-punk we have now.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:35 PM
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2. many of us feel this way. the way our country has become and depending
on the election, i may go bunk with my relatives in France.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:37 PM
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3. Fuck 'em. I'm not going anywhere.
I've got more spite than they have will.
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Rue Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:48 PM
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7. Amen to that.
Though I'm wondering if it should be "more will than they have spite."
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:43 PM
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5. Let's just kick out all the Bush lovers. There are two of us
for every one of them, and most of them are wimps.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:37 AM
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15. The odds are probably 3:1 in reality.
How shocked would they be to find themselves the "tea" at the modern Boston Tea Party? Maybe enough of their NeoCon buddies with yachts would pick them out of the bay and ferry them to a police state more to their liking.

:evilgrin:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:52 PM
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9. I'm already making plans for Central America.
Belize, Panama, or Costa Rica. And my wife is finally on board.

I feel like a Jew in Germany in 1937.
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MLFerrell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:05 AM
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13. "I feel like a Jew in Germany in 1937."
Right period, somewhat unwieldy characterization.

I feel like a Pole in '38, shall we say... Or a non-National Socialist German during the same era. You get to watch your system of governance rot from the inside out; in this case, * has managed to destroy the foundations of the American system with remarkable rapidity. The U.S. will never be the country that it once was, flawed or otherwise.

The essential difference between the US and Nazi Germany is that the persecution and degradation isn't a direct implication of official policy as it was in Hitler's iteration, but the functional result, predicated on different pretexts and ideology, is ultimately the same

Germany in their late '30's belligerent period is by far the most apt analogous human government in modern times.

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:52 PM
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10. But where would you go?
There are few if any places left on this planet that aren't touched by the New Amerikan Corporatocracy. And those places that do seem remote from its grasp will soon (if not already) be suffering from global warming, courtesy Amerika.

Personally I agree with every word you wrote. I hate what this country has become. I hate that it started before I was born and that my eyes were ever opened to it, because the more I learn the less I see can be done to change things. The America I learned about in school is a fiction, or might as well be for how it contrasts with reality.

If you find a place to go where you can escape the Global Empire, let me in on it.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 02:44 PM
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19. Repost from a similar thread a couple of weeks ago...
In which I advised the OP writer to go west...


All the way to New Zealand. Find out what skills they want in their workforce, what your prospects for acceptance into the country are if you match one or more of those skill sets, then get thee to university and become an expert in the field(s) you're most interested in and that they're looking for.

Here's the CIA world factbook breakdown of New Zealand.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factb...


One thing of particular interest to me: They've only added about 1.2 million people since 1950, so they're obviously firm believers in maintaining a sustainable ratio between population and carrying capacity. That's huge, and will become more so as the world population doubles and redoubles into absolutely unsustainable numbers. And the inevitable massive environmental collapse triggered primarily by too many humans eating, drinking, excreting, polluting, driving, generating landfill, deforesting and so forth, will probably be far less catastrophic in New Zealand, with its relatively remote location blunting the effects that will devastate larger land masses.

Besides that, it's pretty temperate, particularly toward the north end of the South Island. Farther north, it becomes a bit tropical, while at the extreme southern tip of the South Island it can be pretty chilly. Also, the topography is highly varied, kind of like if you left San Francisco and drove east on I-80 to the Sierras. You can literally surf and ski on the same day in both CA and NZ.

So why aren't I typing this from Auckland rather than Oregon? After all, I'm completely incompatible with America v2.0 I certainly wouldn't immigrate here by choice. And I was just as alienated from US governmental, doctrinal and mass cultural institutions back in my 20s, although quite ignorant of the actual nature and function of those institutions. So why didn't I follow my instincts? I think it's two reasons: underestimating the sheer malevolence of the enemy, and overestimating my generation's impact on the values and assumptions that underlie the US.

I think we gave up too soon in the '60s - early '70s. We patted ourselves on the back for ending the Vietnam war (although how much our protests influenced the eventual end of the war is certainly debatable) and then we got rid of Nixon, or rather, he got rid of himself. So it was kind of like Mission Accomplished, and let's all go back to sleep.

We could have built on those accomplishments to create a movement for sustained peace and egalitarianism, and that shifted the country's economic motivators from sheer, unbridled greed and exploitation toward a more cooperative work model, with workers as owners and today's fucking bastard CEOs raping some other country.

I know that sounds ridiculously Utopian and unrealistic in today's dystopian state, but we had significant numbers, we were pretty well educated, we were raised on political activism, and we were battle-tested and ready for another good fight. We could have simply infiltrated the political system from the bottom up, winning places on school boards, city councils, planning commissions and the like, then leveraging those positions to climb the ladder toward Congressional seats -- which is exactly what the right wing has done over the past 30 years and is the ultimate cause of its dominance today (that and a ton of money, 24/7 wingnut demagoguery on the radio, media toadyism, and so forth). But instead, most of us just congratulated ourselves on a job well done and began emulating our parents -- kids, mortgages, jobs, suburbs, cars, commuting, layoffs, transfers, job uncertainty, recession, boom time, insane real estate prices, real estate bubble bursts, squirreling away our personal little IRAs and 401-Ks, creating the fiction of the possibility of carefree retirement, and so on... Given all that, had I had a clue what the last quarter of the 20th century would look like, I would have gotten out while I was still young, adaptable, strong and relatively unco-opted.

But you apparently still have choices and, sensibly enough, you're examining your options. IMO, here's what you're dealing with in the US:

You're living in the world champion of runaway capitalism, where the only thing that's valued in business anymore is the ability to extract more work from fewer people for less pay, all the while cutting or eliminating benefits, busting unions and generally creating a climate where the labor force is too scared and insecure to make much noise.

Where three out of 10 people around you at any given time are religiously insane and think the earth is about 6,000 years old. Where public education is just about extinct, and where there is no money for anything necessary or worthwhile, unless you like new nukes and aircraft carriers. Where the economy runs as a rigged zero-sum game, and where even rare and highly prized skill sets don't guarantee a job with decent pay. Where environmentalism is seen as subversive, and where intellect is viewed with suspicion. Where Constitutional guarantees are now optional, where celebrity worship trumps political awareness, and where the apex of mass culture is the Super Bowl halftime show. Where paper pushers make fortunes and caregivers make minimum wage, and where systemic racism and xenophobia create murderous monsters out of otherwise normal people. Where the second amendment -- the only one still respected by the feds -- has created a national free-fire zone. Where the distribution of wealth is so heavily concentrated in the greedy little fists of the upper five or so percent that they own about 60 percent of everything and even that's not enough for these parasites. Where the trappings of success go to the most devious or outright criminal, while the decent people get the dregs. Where a significant percentage of the country's infrastructure of roads, bridges, overpasses and underpasses is structurally compromised and in immediate need of reinforcement, but there's only federal money available if you're in the mass slaughter and genocide business.

I could go on, but if you've read this far you've probably gotten my point. I'd love to give you some pep talk about how the good old USA is on the rebound and good people are going to regain control next November, or how it's somehow immoral to leave the country of your birth in search of a better deal when there's so much to be done back home.

But I don't buy it. The next administration, no matter its intentions, will be hamstrung by BushCo's massive deficits, unable to find money to fund a progressive agenda, and will only manage to find the usual giant sums of money to feed the Pentagon, since Democrats are just as hooked into the campaign money supply as is the GOP and, worse yet, are terrified of being painted as "soft on terror" or "not supporting our troops" or some such idiocy.

Also, I just don't see this country getting past its quasi-religious faith in the gospel of the market economy, which guarantees that vital commodities and services like energy, health care and pharmaceuticals will remain in the hands of giant corporations whose only allegiance is to profitability and if that means you have to die because they can weasel out of approving a vital medical procedure, tough shit. The market doesn't give a damn about individuals; it only cares that there's enough of a cheap labor pool out there to keep feeding the machine.

Sorry to be so bleak, particularly first thing in the morning on what looks like a very pleasant day out here in Portland. But there are three recent times and places I would do anything in my power to avoid: 1930s Germany, 1940s to mid-'50s USSR, and 21st century America. Hopefully, you've had the incredible luck to have avoided the first two and stand a very decent chance of getting out of the third if that's how you choose to go. Good luck and very best wishes, whatever you decide.


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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-07-07 11:59 PM
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12. I Prefer to Take the Approach to a RWer:
"If you prefer an authoritarian government, there are many Latin American countries that better reflect your values. This is a participatory democracy with freedom of expression and a bill of rights. You can love it or leave it."
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 12:47 AM
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17. I'd rather THEY left and YOU stayed
as for me, I left a while ago, except I didn't really and I never really will. It's my country even if I'm not living there, and these traitors can bite me. I'm not done being an American, and I never will be until there isn't a me anymore.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 04:02 PM
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25. It would better for us all if THEY left, but God help the country they would choose.
It would be stripped of everything useful within a couple of years, and the poor stuck forever with the burden of trying to get back what took so long to create and maintain.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 05:22 PM
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27. Hmm. Iraq comes to mind...
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 11:23 AM
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18. Don't let the door hit you in the ass you dirty coward quiter.
That being said, I really doubt you will leave. Most blowhards are yes hot air.
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:47 PM
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21.  Many times I want out too
I have no idea where I would go . I do recall when this hidious attack on Iraq began which I was vocally against I was told by mnay co=workers to leave if I don't like it . Well I should have then when I had the money and by now the time it takes to move and be able to work in another country would be here now .

However I am stuck now . I have little hope that this will ever be the america it was 7 years ago and things look bleek most of the time .

The population here still seems to be in sleep mode or ignorent mode and the anger and rat race and pressure has become much worse . It is now even more a competitive madness just to keep a job or roof over ones head , I don't call this living or enjoyable by a longshot . I don't find buying junk a way to fill the void so here I am begining to hate people and the entire landscape of utter madness .

I have never run across so many rude and mindless in my entire life . Things have not progressed for the better that's for certain .
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tlsmith1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 03:56 PM
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22. I Hate *This* America Too
But I can't leave because I don't have the money. Actually, I heard that Vermont wants to secede. If it does, I'm moving to Vermont!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 04:04 PM
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26. I hate America under George Bush.
This isn't the America I know and love. What the fuck kind of country preaches that they are the land of the free, yet will torture anyone they damn well please? Or warrantlessly spies on their own citizens? Or charges insane amounts of money for gas, yet refuses to raise the minimum wage? Or thinks universal health care is a bad idea? Or treats celebrities like royalty and gives tax cuts to the people who don't need it? This isn't the America I grew up with.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-08-07 05:32 PM
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28. Some days I feel that way. But this is my country too
The redneck douche bags would love to see liberals leave. But I say fuck them I'm staying and I'm going to try to change things for the better. There's allot of wonderful things about our country and we have plenty of great people living and working here. I think we need to be optimistic and do our best to bring about positive change.

I feel way more positive now than I did right after the '04 election.
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