This isn't a big issue, but how do we get LA sheriff arrested for Paris Hilton scam?

[yurbud]

I live here in LA and it was probably the most naked special treatment for a celebrity I have seen in my whole time here.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. If not arrested, a recall petition?

The sheriff is an elected official. Start a recall petition! It worked with your governor!

[yurbud]

4. it worked with governor because it was a well-orchestrated right wing campaign

they deregulated electricity, used that to blackmail state for billions, then blamed our hapless democratic governor for being bilked and installed Arnold.

It really is a neat trick to commit a crime, and not only profit from it financially, but shift the blame to someone else and profit from it politically too.

Democrats do the opposite. If they do something right, they let conservatives convince the public it was wrong, and then let them beat them over the head with it.

[Hand]

2. I believe the original judge is considering citing him for contempt of court.

Part of the original sentence specified no home arrest; the sheriff disobeyed that order and I gather the judge is PO'd.

[louis-t]

5. Very po'd.

That's it, I will not comment further on the matter. I refuse to be a part of this useless woman's brouhaha.

[marlakay]

3. Well she's on her way back to jail

according to cnn so the judge did the right thing.

[yurbud]

7. that's like saying drunk driving isn't a crime if you don't hit anything

the fact that the deed was caught and corrected doesn't make it right.

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. What was the medical emergency that got her out?

[yurbud]

25. she needed to let her nails dry

[jilln]

6. It is a big issue

The issue is fundamental equality under the law.

[yurbud]

11. that was the broader implication of the OJ trial too

He got very different treatment than he would have if he was just Bob Simpson.

I was working for an attorney service at the time and delivered something to the crime lab. I asked one of the criminologists if he thought OJ was guilty, and he just laughed. He said convictions were a slam dunk with one one-hundredth as much evidence--he got a guy convicted by finding a cigarette butt with his DNA on it next to a shell casing that matched the murder weapon. But then that guy couldn't afford the team of lawyers OJ could.

And in OJ's case, if he had still been in the NFL, he could have been acquited by a jury of all white men because they wouldn't want to hurt his team's chance of getting into the Superbowl.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

13. OJ had an overwhelming circumstantial case against him.

My criminal procedure teacher talked about means, motive and opportunity -- the three elements a defendent must have to be a suspect.

My father was a lawyer, and he told me that circumstantial evidence is the best evidence, because it follows the laws of chemistry and physics. It's better than eyewitnesses, because eyewitnesses can differ and be mistaken. In OJ's case there were no direct eyewitnesses, but there were corroborating witnesses who supported the timing of the crime.

And yes I am a lawyer.

[tiptoe]

17. The jurors were also confronted with four detectives "testi-lying" (and evidence tampering...which

would have been exposed upon appeal, if the verdict had gone against OJ.)

[jilln]

18. LOL testilying?!?

Is that a typo or did you mean to say that? I had never heard that word before. It's great.

[tiptoe]

20. Well, it's not a typo...based on "testi-lie" ...a term Alan Dershowitz used during the OJ trial.

lie{2} vi. lied, ly'ing
1. a) to make a statement that one knows is
false, esp. with intent to deceive b) to make
such statements habitually
2. to give a false impression; deceive one


One "testi-lie" was Fuhrman's use of the N-word, which he originally denied under oath (IIRC)...and defense witnesses were ready to be paraded to the stand to challenge that claim, but Judge Ito limited that presentation to just two witnesses...so as not to prejudice the jury (with too much of the truth, I guess).

Less apparent "testi-lying" were testimonies by the other three detectives. A certain eyewitness -- whose credibility would have been "solid" given his time, place and perspective at one of the crime scenes -- would have settled the truth about certain conflicting witness/detectives testimonies that would have had bearing on certain material evidence, i.e. IF he had been called and allowed to testify during the criminal trial (when the detectives took the stand). An entire line of questioning re certain physical evidence was precluded by the unresolved conflicting testimonies. For the prosecutors and defense repeatedly heralding the case as a "search for the truth" -- but who also both knew the implications of such a witness' testimony and possibly shared a tacit if not explicit "agreement/understanding" NOT to call the witness before cameras at least -- the absence of this witness during the criminal trial seems "curious"...ALTHOUGH...he DID testify during the civil trial, the only OJ-trial-event NOT TELEVISED (also "curious")!

Dershowitz would have handled a defense appeals process, which would have been a deeper, direct investigation of the activities of the police and detectives at the OJ crime scenes. Fortunately (I suppose) for the LA police department, OJ was found "not guilty" and an appeal was unnecessary.

[yurbud]

24. that particular lie was irrelevant. He didn't lie about the crime itself.

[tiptoe]

28. whatever you say. nt

[tiptoe]

21. there...I edited it for clarity of intention :)

[yurbud]

22. OJ trial also showed that you don't need torture to get people to blab

I watched a good chunk of the video of his interrogation online. They didn't rough him up. There was no good cop bad cop. It was more like something halfway between Columbo and seeing a good shrink.

Good interrogators know people want to tell their stories. If you beat them up, they feel like martyrs for their cause or at least their own personal dignity. When they give you the information, it's like admitting they are your bitch now. By contrast, when you take the time to treat them well and draw it out of them, they actually feel bad about withholding the information from you unless they are a sociopath.

OJ blabbed almost to the point of confessing.

[Fridays Child]

8. I wonder if money changed hands.

[bluestateguy]

9. He should be removed from office

Along with that DA in Durham County, NC (the Duke Laccrosse "rape case")

[OHdem10]

10. Please find me some LA Citizens who committed

the same "crime" as Hilton and received 45 days as punishment.
Accoring to TMZ -- the entertaiment group. There are none.
The Sheriff releases defendents all the time . This is not
unusual for Sheriffs to make decisions like this all the time.

Another Celebrity(actress) went into jail and within 30 minutes
she was released. Overcrowdeing in Jail.

I am not defending Hilton.

The Media has and continues to make a mockery of our system.

We all know people who can afford expensive attorneys get the
break. Making a spectacle of Paris solves nothing.



I am not defending Paris.

[yurbud]

12. if they had said overcrowding was the reason, it wouldn't have been as big a deal

instead they made up some medical crap and had a podiatrist sign an excuse for her.

[rustydad]

14. "made up"?

This young woman is the creation of being born into a disfunctional home in large part because the ubber rich usually are disfuntional. Is that her fault? She likely does have mental problems based on the life she appears to live. I am amazed at the amount of interest in her here at DU and at the fact that most posters seem to take pleasure in seeing her in pain. Cruelty is destructive coming from any source. Back off folks. Bob

[yurbud]

23. other people in jail have been raped by their parents, abandoned, and many have untreated mental

illnesses.

Being rich has its own unique problems, but they certainly aren't greater than those people have in the ghetto or trailer park.

If you don't like the consequences of the legal system for her, you should ask yourself if it's really acceptable for the rest of us unless you see us only as your maids, gardeners, and employees.

[jilln]

19. If you're not defending Paris, why did you put "crime" in quotes?

She committed a crime. Actually 2 crimes. Both pretty serious. Judge said so. Sentenced her. She should do her sentence. End of story.

[malaise]

16. Follow the money for starters n/t

[yurbud]

26. if I was her dad...well, I probably WOULD spend the money to buy off the sheriff, but then...

I'd spend an equal or greater amount to get her involuntarily committed to a mental institution until she gave up the porn and other dangerous behavior.

[yurbud]

27. what she needs is the old deal judges used to offer: jail or the ARMY

send her to Iraq.

She's so skinny, most of the bullets will miss her anyway.

[yurbud]

29. LINK: Contact LA district attorney about Sheriff Baca

http://da.co.la.ca.us/feedback.htm#feedback