I was in the LA County Jail system for four and a half months. It's not that bad!

[Joanne98]

What was I in jail for? Driving on a suspended license. It's was my third offense. The judge said I had "no respect for the law". He was right and you know what? I STILL DON'T!

You know what's pissing me off about the news coverage now. How everybody on the Tee Vee agrees that Paris is better off being in a cell by herself. She's not. If she wasn't such a snob and if she wasn't such a coward, she would find out that there are HUMAN BEINGS in there. It's true. There are some very nice people in jail. They take care of each other, they share stories and laugh. They help each other out. They protect the sick or depressed. They wouldn't be mean to her. They would try to cheer her up.

The truth about woman behind bars is they are not anything like the movies portray them. They are mostly poor woman with addiction problems. Mostly women who were breaking laws because that was how they survived. When I was in there what they mostly did was worry about they children. I'll never forget standing in line to use the phone and there was always women crying about their children. They didn't know where they were. They didn't want them to go to foster care.

I was hoping that Paris going to jail would start a REAL debate about this country's absolute lack of mercy on the poor in this country when it come to the "justice" system. But it looks like the fake "Hollywood" version of jail is going to win the day again. It's funny. Paris probably believes all that bullshit she's seen in the movies, so she'll keep herself away from them all. It's to bad for her. She's missing a chance to see a world that most people never see.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed that she'll change her mind.

[Mojambo]

1. One of the few worthwhile posts on "Paris" I've read.

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

[Sequoia]

2. I second it!

And by gum, I'm going to give it a vote. When I think of women in jail I think of that Linda Blair movie where everyone is mean and pulling hair.

[Joanne98]

10. Your welcome. I bitch about jail a lot. My son's prison for drugs.

I think the justice system is just a bunch of bull shit. I happen to know for a fact that poor people go to jail and rich people don't. California has so many fucking laws it's almost impossible to not break at least one during the course of the day. Poor people get tickets they can't pay because it's either pay the rent to the greedy ass landlord or your ticket. There's a lot people in jail for traffic crap because it adds up. People get their licenses suspended and they still drive because THEY HAVE TO! The bus system is EXPENSIVE and it SUCKS! Jimmy Hendrix was right about "Crosstown Traffic", it's hard to go east and west. There are regular people in jail and that's the truth.

[Colobo]

40. Respect the law and you don't go to jail.

[immoderate]

41. Not true.

--IMM

[Colobo]

42. In most cases, it is.

If not, most Americans would wind up in jail at some point in their lives.

[immoderate]

46. Most could.

My father was a cop. He told me that if he stopped a car, he could always find a violation if he wanted to. Mostly he didn't want to. Similarly, most people violate the law in some way, and if they wanted you, they could get you. There are so many laws! Not to mention that there are people who get railroaded. Then there are the Catch a Predator type thought crimes.

Allowing for some exaggeration :) almost anybody is vulnerable in some way. And very few are completely innocent. I respect the law, but then...:smoke:

--IMM

[treestar]

77. I love making this point to the "I have nothing to hide" crowd

As they shrug off the government breaching some fundamental right.

[Th1onein]

47. No, it's not.

When you're poor, it's hard to get that registration sticker on your car. It's hard to maintain insurance when you're poor. It's very difficult to get an inspection sticker on an OLD car.

I used to be a welfare mother. I worked constantly and got scholarships to get through school, but believe me, we suffered, and we broke the law.

It pisses me off to hear that phrase "respect for the law." It ain't about respect, most of the time, it's about MONEY. People who HAVE MONEY make the laws, and they make them to protect their money.

[Colobo]

89. Only wealthy people can afford to obey the law?

[fujiyama]

55. Funny thing is

we do currently have the largest documented prison population in the world (both as a percentage of the population and in absolute numbers).

[HCE SuiGeneris]

68. Authoritarian has spoken, do pay heed.

:puke:

[SemperEadem]

80. it doesn't apply to rich white people

they can break the law and get the law bent like a pretzel so they don't have to respect it.

[reichstag911]

45. Really.

That would be "the law" that's enforced by armed, uniformed thugs, prosecuted by corrupt and consequence-immune prosecutors, and adjudicated by political hacks, all of which groups are far more interested in their careers -- which they do by feeding the oppressive, unjust machine they serve -- than in actual justice, right?

[Name removed]

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[slampoet]

49. By the way,

If you find anything offensive in the above post just remember that while you go on the internet denying the entirety of American Black experience, people of color are dealing with more than someone on the internet calling them what they really are.

But you will probably ask the administrator for some kind of justice. (you know that kind that black people get ALL THE TIME when they just RESPECT THE LAW?)


The truth is though that is you had any respect for what other people had to go through in life you wouldn't be in this predicament.

[lildreamer316]

59. NOT SO.

Cops who are pressured and a jail system that is FOR PROFIT completely undermine that. Pay attention.

[ellisonz]

65. You would do well to read some Kafka...

In particular, I recommend the short story "Before the Law," which can be found at the following website: http://www.mala.bc.ca/~johnstoi/kafka/beforethelaw.htm

[TroubleMan]

70. Not true if you don't have money.

I've seen it hundreds of time personally, either myself, friends, or acquaintances.

[DBoon]

79. Not really

You don't need to respect the law at all.

You need to avoid being caught breaking the law in an obvious way. Has nothing to do with respect (attitudes and beliefs) and all to do with behavior.

Respect has nothing to do with it. Discretion is important, but all you can do is reduce the chance of being arrested.

It's sort of like being fired from a job. If you plan it right you can minimize your risk. You can never eliminate the risk. And being fired/arrested is something that can happen to the best of us.

I really really have little agreement with Ayn Rand, but there is a quote from the Fountainhead that in essence says that with enough laws, everyone is a lawbreaker, no one is innocent, and anyone who offends the wrong government official can become a criminal. I don't have the quote, but it is one of may two or three things that Ayn Rand has said that I agree with.

[seabeyond]

90. i have the money to make sure i can continue to "respect" the law

i think your post is very much out of touch, tending toward ignorant and certainly not in tuned to the issues a lot of people have to face on a daily basis.

i agree that there are so many laws today and any given time "luck" not at hand a person is there for a ticket of some kind. if the person does not have cash on hand then the hole is dug, and continue to be dug deeper and deeper until they are at the point, in jail. the more laws we acquire, the more demands we make of our society that they must do at our own expense to satisfy societies desires, the more this will become issue and people will be put in jail for trivial things.

i on the other hand can without pain, pay that ticket with no further repercussions.

it was a callous and unsightful comment from you.

[Fridays Child]

3. There was a missed opportunity. You're right.

Unless she's a sociopath, and there's nothing to indicate that she is, she would have come away from the experience a vastly changed person--and for the better, in my opinion.

[DBoon]

74. it worked for Martha Stewart

She came out with a new appreciation for justice

Celebrity doesn't always equate to hopelessly self centered

[LisaL]

4. You can't put Paris in general population. If someone were to beat

her up (and given how annoying she is, is that such a stretch that someone would?) we would never hear the end of it.

[Joanne98]

12. They wouldn't beat her up. It would be exciting for them. It's so boring in there.

They would probably offer to share their things with her. Woman in jail are sad and lonely.

[Bucky]

17. Did you even read the original post? Look I've been in jail too.

It sucked getting punished, but all I lost was my weekend. People in jail really aren't mean to each other. Mostly they're depressed, chagrinned, and bored. Several were hung over but only one or two were actually crazy. No one was violent; we looked out for each other.

I wouldn't wanna return, but in my experience jail is not like prison; the only people who found trouble were those looking for it.
.

[LisaL]

23. Yes, I've read the original post. But have you even looked at

Paris? A lot of people love to hate her.
No one is going to put her in general population because if something were to happen to her there would be hell to pay.

[slackmaster]

43. The few hours I was in jail, we talked about busting out

It did help pass the time.

[Ariana Celeste]

72. I played euchre and watched music videos.

When I wasn't cryin' on my bunk. For the most part the women were all very nice and supportive of each other, but there were a couple of shit talkers. A lot of talk about crack and other drugs since, well, most of us were in for drug charges.

[Richard Steele]

5. Recommended.

[Cleita]

6. Martha Stewart had positive experiences in prison with the

women who adopted her and whom she made friends with. She was even seen wearing a poncho one of the inmates had made for her. It's too bad no one gave Paris the articles that were written about this.

Also, excuse me but no one should go to jail for suspended licenses. I don't care how many times it is. There are other penalties that can deal with this without wasting tax money on people who are not felons.

[Joanne98]

19. I had high hopes for Martha Stewart. But I haven't seen her do anything

for the woman since she's been out. What a letdown for the women she made friends with. out of sight, out of mind.

[Cleita]

26. Do we know for sure?

Maybe she's doing things behind the scenes. I hope that she didn't just drop them once she was out.

[BrotherBuzz]

35. She wrote that strong letter when she was released from prison, then....

it appears she dropped the ball. It would be cool if she's doing things behind the scenes, but her strength and value is using her name to promote the message publicly, and I'm not seeing it. :shrug:

[Cleita]

50. I'm thinking that she was damned for being their friends and damned for

not. Regardless, if she still keeps contact, I would say that she is quiet about it.

[BrotherBuzz]

56. Friends or not, I understood she was championing prison reform in an open letter

My guess is that one needs to get out and beat the drum a bit to make changes. I'm not hearing anything. :shrug:

Stewart calls for sentencing reform in Christmas website message

Bernard Hibbitts
22 Dec 04

Homemaking diva Martha Stewart called Wednesday for US sentencing reform in a Christmas message posted on her defense website. Stewart, currently imprisoned for securities-related crimes at the Alderson West Virginia federal correctional facility for women, said she herself was "fine, really", but directed her readers' attention to "the women here in Alderson will never have the joy and wellbeing that you and I experience. Many of them have been here for years -- devoid of care, devoid of love, devoid of family". Stewart continued::

"I beseech you all to think about these women -- to encourage the American people to ask for reforms, both in sentencing guidelines, in length of incarceration for nonviolent first-time offenders, and for those involved in drug-taking," wrote Stewart. "They would be much better served in a true rehabilitation center than in prison where there is no real help, no real programs to rehabilitate, no programs to educate, no way to be prepared for life 'out there' where each person will ultimately find herself, many with no skills and no preparation for living. "

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2004/12/stewart-calls-for-sentencing-reform-in.php

Heck, she even let the web site she published from in prison expire:

www.marthatalks.com expired on 06/02/2007 and is pending renewal or deletion.

[lildreamer316]

60. Her "talks" have been moved to a subscription newsletter.n/t

[BrotherBuzz]

67. LOL, so let me get this straight....

In order to be Martha Stewart's friend and hear her talk about prison reform, I have to pay Martha to sign up for a subscription newsletter? Always the businesswoman, Martha is. :sarcasm:

[MilesColtrane]

87. Self Deleted

Because I was just repeating what others have said, and it adds nothing.

[hlthe2b]

7. thank you for the "real world" perspective....

yours is one opinion that counts. Thanks for posting. :thumbsup:

[monktonman]

8. Joanne, you've never been to the mens side of the LA county

jail system.
Trust me....Its pretty bad.

[Joanne98]

18. Men in jail are different. Men have dominance issues....

My son is in prison. He's not having a hard time. He hangs out with his own little group. There are fights but you can stay out of them. He's the scabble champion of his cell block. They are good men in jail too. Everybody has a different story. You can ruin you life with one bad choice and it takes only a second. Those type of people should have a chance to redeem themselves. The lack of mercy for the "criminal" in this country makes me sick. Anyone can end up in jail. Paris is making that point today!

[monktonman]

33. redeem yourself with a 45 day sentence???

cum on.

[Occulus]

53. Okay, I have to make sure you never make this mistake again, for your sake

Please spell "come on" correctly. The way you spelled it has certain... connotations, best left unmentioned in this context, which are, well, best left unmentioned in this context.

I really hope you get what I'm saying. I'm not trying to start anything, here, and I'm not mad or pissed off or anything. Really. It's just... that particular spelling of that word has a particular meaning, and I thought you should be aware of that.

edited to add: :D

[Bucky]

44. I don't know about prison and I don't know about LA, but there were some tough guys in jail with me

And still nobody fucked with anyone else. It was a very civil experience. I'm glad to hear you son has found a good group to hang out with in prison. You're right that our society tries to dehumanize prisoners, and the violence in jail myth, while partly true, is still a big part of this stigmatization.

Prisoners are human too and if we started from this perspective, we'd have a lot more success in reforming people.

[Hippo_Tron]

58. The fact that we lock up nonviolent drug offenders is a huge part of the problem

Americans have a false perception that our 2 million prisoners are all murderers and rapists. And that really isn't surprising. Every TV show or documentary I've seen focuses on the violent offenders. Not once does the non-violent drug offender doing 10 years because of mandatory minimum laws get interviewed.

In reality violent offenders are an incredibly small part of the prison population. Nonviolent offenders, who are mostly there because of absurd drug laws, could easily be reformed. Often they end up worse off because of the people they are exposed to in prison.

[Hekate]

9. I'll Recommend this. Thanks for sharing your experience. nt

[Az_lefty]

11. Great post, I think your right on target.

:toast:

[snappyturtle]

13. Good post. If Paris would look at her time as an opportunity

rather than being so affronted by it she probably would survive. Thanks for posting! K&R

[Joanne98]

27. I'm hoping that if she's in there for 20 days, she'll get bored and talk to someone.

We need famous people to help get the message out about the people behind bars. They are hidden from the public. Maybe she'll come thru. You never know.

[snappyturtle]

66. We can only hope. nt

[depakid]

14. It must be mighty boring being locked down 23 hours

I agree, she'd be better off in gen pop- both for the reasons you describe and just because there'd be a more to do.

[Joanne98]

29. It is. Solitary confinement is the worse punishment.

It's the other people who keep you sane. I actually feel sorry for her. She's making it harder on herself.

[LisaL]

39. Well, if I was able to pick, I sure as hell would pick

a nice solitary cell over general population. By the way, she is allowed to read. Read, and rest, sounds like a vacation to me.
I saw it on TV. It's a nice cell. I stayed in hotel rooms smaller than that cell and I had to pay for it.
It's not like she is going to be locked up in solitary confinement for years.

[Occulus]

54. Solitary confinement has been known to drive people insane over long periods

If her cell is as 'nice' as you say (I'm envisioning something roomier than the 8x6 cinderblock cell a friend of mine was in for a couple years), it's not punishment, even if she is alone there.

My subject line deals more with tiny little lightless solo closets, which according to you hers is not.

I agree with those on this thread who have said she should be in the general population. Oooh, public! Danger! But I bet she has people in there who like her, just like on the outside, and I bet they would go out of their way to make sure she doesn't have a rought time of it while she was there.

There's something to be said for being a public persona and being in jail, in the general population: you're almost guaranteed that someone there will be layal to you and watch your back.

Of course, there are always those public persons who will be killed if they were to be put in with everyone else. I think we all know who would spark a contest among the inmates for "first blood".

Paris Hilton is not one of those. There are a lot of people who like her (for whatever reason), and I bet some of them are in the same jail she is.

She deserves to be housed in the general population, if for no other reason than to see and hear the problems and hopes and concerns of 'reg'lar folks'. It could be a learning experience for her... but my bet is on that not happening.

And that's kind of sad.

[NJCher]

61. hmmm, maybe there's something good about her own cell

I'm just guessing here but I'm thinking this woman doesn't have much in the way of personal resources. So being by herself might force her to find something within to get herself through.

OTOH, maybe Paris will meditate her days away and come out a wiser soul than when she went in.



Cher

[LisaL]

69. I never said the cell was big.

As for having people in there who like her, all it would take is one snotty comment for those people to change their opinion, and the woman might not even realize what she was saying.

[datasuspect]

62. in her case, with the short stay

it might help her to stay in solitary, at least she won't get an antibiotic-resistant strain of tuberculosis or staph.

[treestar]

78. I've never been in jail, but I can get the clue that it's no vacation

You're locked up. Trapped. That's the punishment. Loss of freedom.

[Morgana LaFey]

15. Wonderful, insightful, compassionate post

I love your reality-based portrayal of the women in jail.

[EFerrari]

16. . . . .

:yourock:

:loveya:

[Bucky]

20. I've gone thru and blocked 16 Hilton threads from my view. This one I won't

I've been in jail (men's side, of course) and it wasn't bad. It was boring, but people are generally not vicious to each other. We commiserated. It wasn't like prison because everyone there had a hope of getting out. Mind you, that was a lock up tank--no one was in for more than 48 hours. But people there were generally decent to each other and looked out for the couple of demented guys who inevitably end up locked up, too.

I'll K&R this thread. It reminds me of a time I was surprised by how decent people can be to one another.
.

[Joanne98]

24. I know. It's surprising isn't it. So many decent people behind bars..

maybe that's why there aren't any left out here. They're all locked up. It's really just sad.

[Ariana Celeste]

75. It really surprised me, too.

I will always keep my ID bracelet to remind me of the couple of days I spent in county.

When I got to the jail, I was terrified. Because of my charges and ridiculously high bond, I fully expected to spend a few months in county before being transferred to the prison for years. All I could picture was the shit I've seen on tv. And then I get there, and I'm crying, and all these women support me and talk to me, it was really eye opening... I don't think about it often, but I'll never forget it.

Reading all the threads bashing Paris for crying and freaking out really pissed me off. Of course she's going to cry! There's nothing wrong with that! There was always someone crying in the women's block, and they sure as hell weren't cry babies or anything like that. Just because Paris is rich doesn't mean she isn't human.

[alcibiades_mystery]

21. I worked with the Incarcerated Mothers Project in NYC

Riker's Island, Rose M. Singer Building.

You're certainly right about the mother-child relationship among incarcerated women. The project was designed to get kids back with their family members rather than floating in foster care. Everybody pretty much wanted in. That said, it also looked a bit less idyllic than all that. One thing I noticed was that many of the women we interviewed had shredded earlobes from where earrings had been ripped out. Whether this happened in the jail is anyone's guess. They certainly seemed to wear some jewelry.

By the way, the Singer Unit was almost entirely a dorm set up, locked room with 50 beds, a sitting area, and a TV room. Green industrial paint, signs everywhere saying that possession of fashioned weapons would result in additional charges. The work I did there was fulfilling, but you never left Singer undepressed.

[sasquatch]

22. Will you now post a pic in the "post your pic" lounge threads

So we can now see what a real "naughty girl" looks like?

[loyalkydem]

25. I don't know what she is so afraid of

Being in jail is not that bad. I was locked up 3 times in my life. Mostly for stupid decisions. Now I was on the men's side of the jail in my area. The guys aren't bad at all. As long as you talk to people, they don't care where your from as long as your honest with them.

[Joanne98]

28. Actually I just learned how to post pics the other day...

I'll have to get a digital camera. lol

[The Backlash Cometh]

30. Martha Stewart certainly seemed to deal with this properly & with far

more dignity. Her interactions with the other cellmates certainly sounds like they learned from each others, in a positive manner.

[Joanne98]

31. Martha Stewarts tough. she was probably the meanest woman in her cell

block. lol

[The Backlash Cometh]

36. LOL!

[truedelphi]

32. Martha Stewart spent her jail time in with the regular population.

She had fans and seemed to actually get a little taste of what life is like.

She and her cellmate didn't even win the award for best decorated cell that was held during her stay there.

[LisaL]

37. Did not win the award? How can that be?

[earth mom]

34. Great OP & thread!

:applause:

Paris needs to come down from her lofty perch to realize and understand that life can be brutal for so many people-far more brutal than anything she's going through right now.

[Name removed]

38. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Catherine Vincent]

51. I think Susan MacDougal could talk to her.

We all know she spent time in jail because of Ken Starr. She had a hard time but she made the best of it.

[Bozita]

52. Just sent your post and a link to this thread to Bernie Ward

[Joanne98]

81. Thanx.

[Vidar]

57. You've just become my favorite ex-con.

[Solly Mack]

63. Thank you for this

[zippy890]

64. thanks for sharing your experience

from your post:

"The truth about woman behind bars is...they are mostly poor woman with addiction problems.

We imprison people who break the law because of addiction problems and mental illness. And we imprison people because they are poor. These things are related.

along come Paris Hilton and everybody says 'look, the system works, justice is blind' blah blah. meanwhile the prison system is breaking, overpopulation - and a lot of these people have mental illness and are poor, and this is where our society puts them.

again, thanks.

p.s. I have no respect for the law either.

[RagingInMiami]

71. Having recently spent 16 hours in jail

for http://journals.democraticunderground.com/RagingInMiami/46">photographing police against their wishes, I was thrown in an overcrowded cell with about 25 people. I was being charged with nine misdemeanors, so I was in the same cell with other people arrested on misdemeanors. The felons were in another cell.

Most of the people in my cell were arrested for drugs or alcohol or domestic abuse or simply vagrancy. It was mostly poor blacks and Hispanics. We were the ones who were not going to bond out.

There were homeless people who stank to high heaven. Thuggish looking youths who looked as if they would kill you. Loudmouths who sized everybody up as soon as they walked in the cell.

By the next morning, we were all friends.

[madrchsod]

83. i never read how your case was resolved

hope everything turned out ok..

[RagingInMiami]

93. My case still has not been resolved

In fact, I haven't even gone to trial yet because my lawyer has been conducting depositions on the cops who arrested me, where he subpoenaed them and asked them under oath to describe the events leading up to my arrest.

So far, he's interviewed two cops and they have contradicted each other as well as what was stated in the arrest report.

He is supposed to interview a third cop and then I think he is going to the State Attorney's office and ask them to drop the case.

[Ariana Celeste]

73. I hope she spends some time listening to the inmates.

She could potentially come out a much better person. Now I have no side on this, in fact, I really don't give a shit about Paris Hilton.

I do however, understand her crying and being scared. I imagine if I had been in jail longer, I would have calmed down after another a couple of days. Would have been able to eat and sleep. I was only left alone when I wanted to be alone, other then that, I always had one of the other ladies talking to me, telling me about their lives, holding my hand. Had I stayed longer, I would have done that for the first timers and all the other ladies as well. When it comes down to it- you are right. It's not that bad. It ain't good either, but jail isn't supposed to be nice.

Maybe after a few days she will actually talk to people.

[Joe Chi Minh]

76. That was Susan McDougall's experience. Paris' background, however,

is against her - not in relation to the other prisoners, but in terms of her own character/spiritual development.

There is so much she could learn from the other women there, in principle, but the difference between their life-styles and backgrounds would have been so great, she could either be too irreparably damaged to learn, or too overwhelmed by the magnitude of the gulf, to be able to sort her head (and soul) out within the time-scale of her sentence.

[Joanne98]

82. I had no idea. this thread would be so popular. I wasn't even paying attention.

People in prison are our mothers and fathers our husbands and wives our sisters and brothers our sons and daughters and our grandchildren. Don't let the state strip them of their humanity.

[Kat 333]

84. Did she have a choice ?

I wondered about that. If she had a say in the matter. Is it possible that they would automatically place her in a cell alone due to policy ? If she did, actually, have a choice I agree with you. I would probably go crazy having no one to talk to during such a nightmare. You would be each others support system to get through the day.

[LoZoccolo]

85. What did you do to get your license suspended? n/t

[Kat 333]

86. She wasn't given a choice.

According to her lawyer, Richard Hutton ... Hilton in solitary confinement

"But the reality is this: if she were an ordinary citizen she would have been put in GP - that's called general population. In general population, she would be living in a dorm with 30, 40 or 50 other women and the time would pass pretty quick .

"But because of who she is, they had no choice - and believe me we are more interested in her safety than anything else - but they had no choice but to place her in administrative segregation. And that is the correct term for where she is.

"That means she is in a cell with less than 100 square feet <9.29 square metres>, she is in that cell 23 out of 24 hours a day, in solitary confinement.

"For the one hour a day that she's out, she's allowed to be in the 'module', take a shower and talk on the phone. But she's in isolation for 23 out of 24 hours a day. And ask yourself, for what? For driving on a suspended license, as a probation violation," he said in a rousing end to his address.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/paris-in-solitary/2007/06/05/1180809472438.html

[momophile]

88. thanks, Joanne98, for the thread - now a question

I was arrested in Chicago during the March 2003 protests. Chicago cleared out an entire police station so that we female protesters were all incarcerated together. The officers processing us kept saying how lucky we were that we weren't thrown in with everyone else and how much we shouldn't want to end up at Cook County jail. So do you think they were just bullshitting us? 'Cause I have to say, if so, it worked - I was scared.

And thanks again for the thread.

[Ariana Celeste]

91. Yeah they were bullshitting you.

Probably trying to scare you. Cops talk a lot of shit.

The only real harassment you have to worry about in the women's block is from the officers. All the ladies in my cell block were very good to me. They held my hand, did everything they could to help me out and calm me down when I was crying and freaking out. However, I had officers take me aside and ask me if I was a man. After I had been strip searched.

[Truthiness Inspector]

92. Ahem

You were not famous when you were jailed.

Paris is.

Your post is well-meant but simply not realistic. No one gave a shit when you entered the system...everyone did when Paris entered.

Apples and oranges.

And on top of that, to suggest that prisoners are just a buncha nice folks, please. They may not all be bad people, but most are ones who made bad in other words CRIMINAL "choices" to wind up there in the first place.


But let's all feel GOOD, nobody in jail or prison is bad. They are all really the nicest people you could ever meet! :puke: