Are George W. Bush and Paris Hilton out of the same mold?

[Robson]

I admit I could be wrong here, but I have an opinion.

Both are loser rich elitist heirs that have made their way in this world based 200% upon their daddy's name. Neither are worth a tinker's damn as compared to those Americans that have worked 2 jobs for everything they and their families have.

[Jackpine Radical]

1. There's a bunch more you could throw in.

Pete DuPont comes immediately to mind.

[RL3AO]

2. No.

Bush hasn't tried to get out of doing something he didn't want to...oh, wait. You have a point.

[Fridays Child]

3. Still...

...she might make a better president.

[ShortnFiery]

4. Yes, but at least The Hiltons have not gone into politics ... yet!

The whole bunch of them, especially the mom, are a waste of humanity due to having everything handed to them by the late father/grandfather.

Let's tax the hell out of the idle rich by retro-actively INCREASING The Estate Tax for those inheriting over 6 million bucks? If you can't live on 6 million of inherited wealth then you don't deserve one cent: See the poster children for FILTHY rich scumbags =
The Hilton Family! ;)

[mrbill]

46. retro-actively increasing the estate tax to $6 million?

That would make lots of rich folks happy. In 2007, the tax is 42% of anything over $2 million.

[Madspirit]

5. Jail For Killer Ted Kennedy!!...n/t

[CatWoman]

7. and Laura Bush, too!!!

[Madspirit]

10. I thought hers was an accident

I didn't know Laura was drunk. Wow.
Lee

[CatWoman]

13. regardless

you said "killer", didn't you?

you didn't distinguish, or put stipulations on the "killer" :shrug:

[Madspirit]

20. I was really asking you

I don't know the details. Kennedy was drunk as a Hooter. If Laura wasn't she doesn't deserve any punishment...I mean if it was a true and real ACCIDENT.

...but hey, this is the Marquis de Sade forum. Let's lock them all up, beat them, shave their heads, brand them with an "S" for shame and be done with it. Woohoohoo.
Lee

[Robson]

22. Question

Lee...do you believe that anyone is truly accountable for their own actions, or are their actions the result of something beyond their control? I'm very interested in your philosophy on this. My own belief is that as an individual I'm totally and absolutely responsible for what I do...no one else. If I'm a loser or lawbreaker it is because I'm both. Yes there are others with an agenda that will work to influence my actions, but it is my responsibility to act on my own. Republicans don't believe in this philosophy. Do you?

[Madspirit]

31. No

I suffer from bipolar disorder which is technically a psychosis, PTSD, clinical depression and alcoholism. I have friends who suffer from schizophrenia. I KNOW you're wrong. I suggest Psychology 101.

...and don't bring Republicans into this if you really want a discussion. I am further from a Republican than anyone I can imagine. I've been homeless for YEARS on end. I left home at 15 because of the severe abuse, etc....and actually, it is liberals, traditionally, who have a heart and understand things like mental illness and alcoholism, not Rethugs. Republicans are the ones without heart or soul.

Also, I never said Paris should go scott free with no repercussions. NOT ONCE have I said that. I said I believe in community service and not jail for non-violent offenders. My principles go across the board and are not just reserved for liberals, friends and people I approve of.

Lee

[TexasProgresive]

41. if you run a stop sign or red light sober and kill someone

then you are just as much a killer as a drunk. Maybe worse since your judgement is clear.

[ShortnFiery]

9. It's over - but no one could claim that Ted did NOT get off light.

Having KENNEDY as a last name has it's perks too. However, it is overshadowed by their familys' dedicated service to the working class. :shrug:

[Madspirit]

11. How Many Women Would Still Be Alive and Unraped

...if there were no Kennedy men?
Lee

[CatWoman]

14. how many Iraqis would be alive and unraped

if there were no Bush men?

[Madspirit]

16. Right On!!...n/t

[ShortnFiery]

21. I don't get the question. I submit only that regardless of the party, the WEALTHY are more equal ..

even more so in PRESENT DAY America: Capitalism *unregulated* - On Steroids! :shrug:

Like ancient Rome, seemingly everyone and everything can be BOUGHT. :scared:

[Hippo_Tron]

47. Copechne got in the car with a drunk driver, Kennedy didn't kill an innocent bystander

[demnan]

6. No

She's never started a war from lies and doesn't hold an office from which she needs to be impeached.

[Madspirit]

8. Paris has killed 100s of 1000s of Iraqis?! I had no idea...

Jail for Killer Ted Kennedy!
Lee

[Swede]

12. Paris is a spoiled child. That's not her fault,it's her parents fault.

If you do the crime,you have to do the time,however.

[ShortnFiery]

23. Paris is 26 y.o. ADULT! Not a child - a spoiled ruling class woman.

[Swede]

27. A spoiled ruling class woman,then.

Not many would give that up. I don't hold that against her. We are lucky to be living in the West,many in Africa think of us as spoiled. We were born lucky. Her phalanx of lawyers getting her out of jail is a different ball of wax.

[ShortnFiery]

43. Filthy Rich is not attractive. Yes, being filthy "idle rich" I don't hesitate to hold against her.

:puke:

[wildhorses]

15. i can see parallels

not a long stretch by any means of the imagination

[Eric J in MN]

17. No. Paris Hilton has never claimed she should be president. (NT)

NT

[Hippo_Tron]

48. Paris has also never claimed that god thinks she should be president

[BlooInBloo]

18. Oh god. Paris will be President in 40 years. We're doomed.

[Colobo]

19. Yes: They are both spoiled brats.

One got to be President, the other one a celebrity. Their fame is based on irresponsibility.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

24. Please, Admit Your Wrong.

Opinion or not, they aren't even close to being the same. Do you actually believe for a second that they are?

If your only evidence is that they are both rich and have well known dads, then I guess I can just as easily claim that you are of the same mold since you wear clothes and shoes just like them.

There are so many characteristics inherent within each individual. If you're going to claim two as being from the same mold, you're gonna have to give it a heck of a better shot than this.

[Robson]

25. So you disagree that both have used their wealth, status and Daddy's name?

I didn't mean to say they were the same. But they both used wealth and the family name to gain advantage over most Americans that have done far more with far less.....do you disagree?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

26. So You Disagree That You Wear Shirts, Pants And Shoes?

I say though not identical, you are of the same mold as them as well.

If you're going to stick to your line of logic without thinking outside of it, then I shall do the same.

[BlooInBloo]

40. It's a cute trick - assign broader and broader meanings to "same mold", until the claim becomes true

[LSparkle]

28. Probably, except that Paris knows her place is in a club

not in the White House. That probably means she's smarter than he is ...

[Robson]

30. touche....from that respect they are different

But neither belongs in the Whitehouse.

[philosophie_en_rose]

29. Hardly.

Paris Hilton seems to be a frivolous person, but she's not pretending to be a deciderer. And I assume Bush doesn't have an internet sex tape.

[A wise Man]

32. No, Bush didn't yell MOMMIE

When he deserted from the national guard he yelled "DADDY, DADDY GET ME OUT OF HERE".

[brokensymmetry]

33. Nope, not the same.

How many American soldiers has Paris killed?

How many Iraqi children and civilians?

How much did she increase the budget deficit?

How much did she transfer from the American taxpayer to Halliburton?

How many people did she abandon in New Orleans?

Paris Hilton is what she is. * is far, far more dangerous and destructive.

[Libby2]

34. Yes

[Demeter]

35. Are They Both Made Of Mold? Sure!

Slime mold!

[Warren DeMontague]

36. Yeah. Like you and me, they both evolved from other primates- and before that

other mammals, lizards, amphibians, and before that fish, multi and single-celled organisms.

Unless you're one of the pinheads running for the GOP nomination, in which case the two of them may have been "intelligently designed". :eyes:

Beyond that, though, there's not a lot of similarity. If Bush had limited himself to drunk driving and going to parties, the Country would be a lot better off.

I'm not going to jump on this weird French Revolutionary fetishistic crap fantasizing about what should be "done to" her. Give her the same jail sentence as anyone else who did what she did.

Beyond that, she's not guilty of anything except being rich and shallow. She hasn't destroyed the Constitution, she hasn't started any idiotic, lie-based wars. Enough, already, for fuck's sake.

[Dogmudgeon]

37. We hate Bush for good reasons. We hate Paris because it's cool.

It's the same reason we have episodic Pedo Frenzies and make bad jokes about Bubba, the prison rapist. It's a form of human stampeding behavior.

I can't say I hold Ms. Hilton in particularly high esteem, but with millions of Americans who have made her the receptacle for their bile and a judge whose opinions come straight from the gossip tabloids, she doesn't seem all that bad today.

--p!

[Robson]

38. YES...I respect Bush and Paris because they respect the common folk

Both have a high degree of respect for common working Americans eking out a living..... :sarcasm:

George Bush transfers their taxes to the rich.

Paris Hilton gets paid to portray a guest of the simple folk on her TV show.

Both use common folk to their benefit and both have little regard to our laws.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. And Just like George Bush, she scores cheap points by linking people who have almost nothing

to do with each other: Saddam Hussein & Osama Bin Laden, John Kerry & Jane Fonda, George Bush & Paris Hilton.

...Oh, wait.

[Dogmudgeon]

42. So, it's because she is RICH?

There appears to be no other reason for the public outpouring of hatred for Ms. Hilton other than that she is rich, and somewhat bubbleheaded.

With Bush, that just STARTS the list.

Hating Paris Hilton is as much as a narcissistic public indulgence as is the Freeper practice of hating Paris, France.

--p!

[ShortnFiery]

44. I despise the Filthy *idle* rich. If Conrad Hilton had not contested DADDY's Will these worthless

offspring would only have $250,000 apiece to make their own way.

Why do you think that filthy rich, but MUCH LESS than IDLE, Martha Stewart served out her "unduly harsh" sentence with grace? Yes, that's because she was THE PERSON who EARNED her fortune, not spoiled rotten offspring that contested a will and live a debauched and shameless lifestyle. :thumbsdown:

There's nothing wrong with earning your money but even Bill Gates does not want to leave his kids EVERY DAMN thing. I believe that he wishes for them to "serve the common good" and actually WORK before he crosses the great divide.

The Patriarch Hilton who did NOT wish for his spoiled heirs to receive his fortune must be rolling over in his grave.

The LIVING heirs have *tarnished* the once laudable name "Hilton" which now stands of the worthlessness of the
idle nouveau riche. :puke:

[Robson]

45. I'm starting to feel sorry for the little bitch

I hate to say this but I'm starting to feel sorry for the little bitch. If she can't cope with this perhaps she has some mental problems. Regardless I'll predict that her actions will end her career.

America still respects toughness such as Martha Stewart showed when she went to prison and they disrespect wimps.

But in another respect I can see Bush acting the same way if he had to face adversity such as impeachment. Just like with Paris, he'd be in the back seat crying Mommy.

[Hippo_Tron]

49. No, my opinion of Paris is pretty neutral, I loathe George W Bush

George W Bush is responsible for the suffering of others. Paris Hilton is not.