If Paris Hilton spits on a guard she'll get to wear this mask!

[Joanne98]

This prison product is brought to you by Bob Barker. A sick sadistic retired Republican State Senator from North Carolina!
https://bobbarker.com/webguest/bGuestCat.asp?category=00000166



I want everybody in the world to know that the United States of America treats it's citizens like animals. See the similarity.






If you want to see how sick America really us go to this website and look at the products. It's a sick and twisted country.
https://bobbarker.com/webguest/default.asp

[Double T]

1. At least now 'WE' know what it is like to be kicked by our 'masters'.

[wtmusic]

2. Love the Super-Max Lockable Behavior Control Suit

http://bobbarker.com/webguest/bGuestProd.asp?product=SMAX1

...because uncontrolled behavior is a drag.

[Matariki]

21. Wow. It's like an S/M supply catalog or porn mag.

on edit: why can't i type right on the first try?

[rocktivity]

3. Wow--THIS is Bob Barker's new line of work

now that he's retired from hosting The Price Is Right?



:P
rocknation

[Joanne98]

8. It's a different Bob Barker, although everyone in prison thinks it's

the talk show host.

[hlthe2b]

77. Game show host B. Barker loves and respect animals...

Like him or love him, he would never get into this crap. I hope Joanne98 this misimpression gets corrected over time. :shrug:

But, I also have to add, that the muzzle shown on the dog is often necessary to help the dog. Veterinarians may have to use it to an injured or otherwise painful animal, just to get close enough to examine and to deliver pain medications--to help the animal. I certainly don't see how that is disrespectful...

Conversely, if you have a drug-addicted, severely mentally unstable, or simply very angry or anti-social prisoner, there may be times when such measures are necessary to protect medical or prison security staff. From an infectious disease point of view, human bites and exchange of body fluids through spitting or throwing of feces can be a very very serious matter.

The fact is that sometimes these devices are necessary to protect the dog from himself, to protect the human prisoner from himself and to protect those present trying to help either the dog or the human--or to prevent injury to others. I know it is an unpleasant image, but surely you understand the occasional need for these measures?

[cigsandcoffee]

4. Well, if they're spitting on people...

...then they're acting like animals. Should the guards just keep wiping it off?

[sniffa]

5. if you act Like an animaL

[Buzz Clik]

14. Some around here keep forgetting that...

[Joanne98]

19. If you get treated like an animal, you act like an animal...

What comes first? The chicken or the egg!

[cigsandcoffee]

Well, as to "the rest of the world..."

Try spitting on a guard in a Russian, Turkish or Iranian prison. I suspect you'll get a whole lot more than an anti-spitting mask.

There are lots of reasons for Americans to be ashamed, but these masks aren't one of them. IMO, anyway.

[sniffa]

56. ooh, turkish guards

i saw the director's cut of midnight express. :scared:

[sniffa]

54. you're bLowing my mind man

[hlthe2b]

79. As mentioned to you before Joanne98

in the course of my work in public health, I have had occasion to visit several state correctional systems (both men's and womens, not in Colorado) and at least one large county jail. While there are lots of major problems inherent in these state, local, and federal systems, I can at least state that these facilities appeared clean and probably better run than others in more densely populated areas of the country--especially the large county jail facility.

Nonetheless on all occasions, a segment of the incarcerated population immediately began "acting out" upon seeing any kind of outside group come in. That might range from nothing more than lewd taunts and gesturing--particularly towards the women in the group-- to a rare inmate actually throwing food AND body fluids, including feces, with prompting from their peer group.

When you have individuals with mental health issues, drug addictions or severe anti-social behavioral issues locked together, this does come out. The sad reality is that these kind of protective devices may be necessary in limited cases. What I think really concerns you, as it does me,is that their availability sort of invites misuse and use as "abuse."

[dogday]

6. Spitting and throwing feces and urine and the guards

is typical behavior for those in solitary.... These guards have to protect themselves from diseases and the like... Moral of this story, don't spit, if you don't want to wear this thing...

[aikoaiko]

7. looks better than a beating

seriously, a mask like that seems like a reasonable response to being spit upon.

[tammywammy]

9. Spitting on someone is assault

The guards have the right to protect themselves.

[lynne]

10. Spitting and biting is a health hazard to the guards -

- The guards are doing their job and deserve protection from injury and disease just as every employee deserves no matter where they work. Info from the product website:

TranZport Hood helps deter biting and spitting

Protective Detainee Hood (Disposable)

Use on any prisoner or subject that has become belligerent, unruly or threatening. The medical filtration fabric helps to contain contaminants and is a deterrent against biting or spitting. Reduces the risk of possible lawsuits resulting from other protection methods that may cause unintentional harm to the subject. TranZport Hood is easy to use and stays in place with a secure lock tab.

* Reduces risk of exposure to airborne and bloodborne contaminates
* The TranZport Hood provides ample visibility, does not hinder breathing or hearing and is not constricting in any way when used properly
* 10 Each Per Case

[Joanne98]

13. I'm sick of whining guards....

They're fat lazy assholes who only wanted to become prison guards because they thought they could sit down all day. If they didn't fuck with people they wouldn't get spit on in the first place!

[tammywammy]

16. So, because in your words they're "fat lazy assholes"

they deserve to be spit upon???

[Joanne98]

20. It depends on WHY the prisoner spit on them in the first place.

[tammywammy]

28. I'm sorry I just don't get it

I've never felt compelled to spit on anyone. Or urinate or throw feces.

I understand you have a "beef" with prison guards b/c your son's in prison, but that doesn't mean all prison guards are evil as you want to portray them.

[Joanne98]

41. You've never been a captive. I don't think ALL guards are evil..

But the good ones are called whistleblowers. Unforunately, they have to live in fear for that.

[tammywammy]

43. Well, I've had family in prison

And they spit on anyone either. :shrug:

[Buzz Clik]

17. That's correct. It is the fault of the prison guards that those in jail are criminals.

[Joanne98]

23. If the Iraqi people were forced to were these masks, would you care?

Everybody feels sorry for the Iraqi people being tortured by the US but nobody cares about our own people who are getting treated even worse.

[mondo joe]

26. If they had due process and were imprisoned and spit on people, I wouldn't

mind.

The Iraqi people have in no way had due process.

[Joanne98]

29. What makes you think people have due process in this country?

Bush revoked Habeus Corpus, remember?

[mondo joe]

31. Are you saying everyone in prison was put there after that?

Curious.

[Joanne98]

35. I'm saying there are hundreds of thousands of people in jail

who shouldn't be there for a variety of reasons. Too many to count. One of the problems of getting them released is the PRISON GUARD'S UNION who is afraid of LAYOFFS if the population numbers get to low. You saw this issue come up in the TYC scandal. When little children were being beaten and raped by guards but the PRISON GUARDS UNION fought to keep them in there anyway. It seems that prison is becoming a JOBS program and that is NOT what it was suppose to be.

[mondo joe]

39. And that has nothing to do with Habeas.

I don't favor the number of offenses for which one can be jailed.

But that doesn't mean people didn't get due process.

[Joanne98]

57. You're right. It has to do with injustice. To me it's the same thing.

The criminal justice system in this country is just a bunch of bullshit and if something isn't done about it soon, other countries will start rejecting the whole American Dream LIE completely. You can't rule the world when you torture you own people. Ask Saddam Hussein.

[Buzz Clik]

85. Holy shit! The prison guard union is responsible for high crime rates in the US?

You are clearly one of the teeny tiny minority in this land who thinks that most criminals are not catching a break.

Sure, there are dozens of examples of innocent people being jailed, and some have been subject to capital punishment. Most people, however, are all too aware of repeat offenders getting off the hook due to police incompetence, loopholes in the law, and overcrowded prisons. And, no, the prisons are not filled to the gills because the guards' union is so powerful.

I will hand it you -- I never heard that argument before. And it's a classic.

[DemBones DemBones]

93. When I taught high school, I had a murderer in one of my classes.

He shot a relative in the back and killed him but the police screwed up so he didn't even go to juvenile detention.

Made me wonder how many other people like that are walking around free.

[Zynx]

61. That did not apply to the criminal justice system as a whole. Not even close.

[Buzz Clik]

82. Thank you. I was becoming convinced that rational thought had be banned from this thread.

[RedCappedBandit]

66. Surely not everybody in jail is a criminal? nt

[Buzz Clik]

113. surely not.

[zippy890]

18. I suspect many guards provoke the prisoners

and would just love a reason to put those muzzles and crap on them.

[Joanne98]

25. Exactly. And it's well documented too.

[lynne]

24. I'm hoping you forgot that little sarcasm icon -

[Joanne98]

30. Nope!

[lynne]

36. If that's the case then I think you must be biased in your opinion -

- Of course, the best way to avoid this problem would be to not end up in jail. But I'm sure that everyone in jail is innocent, too.

[Zynx]

60. I suppose you don't think much of police either.

[Marrah_G]

71. Let's let all the criminals live with you then

OR... give the guards a week off and YOU can go work in their place!

[michreject]

80. Or devils Island

Just put them someplace and forget about them. No guards nowhere.

[JackBeck]

74. Just curious...

What diseases are transmitted through biting and/or spitting?

[lynne]

78. You've never had a cold or the flu???

Any disease that can be spread via air will certainly become airborne when a loogie is hocked against someones face. Some diseases might prefer being placed directly into the system with a skin-breaking bite. Bites are also prone to bacterial infections. Here's a partial list of diseases spread via air and saliva:

• Chickenpox
• Common cold
• Diphtheria
• Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) infection
• Influenza
• Measles
• Meningitis (bacterial)
• Meningococcal disease
• Mumps
• Parvovirus infection
• Pneumococcal pneumonia
• Rubella
• Streptococcal sore throat
• Tuberculosis (TB)
• Whooping cough (pertussis).
• Cytomegalovirus (CMV) infection
• Glandular fever
• Hepatitis B

[JackBeck]

104. HBV is transmitted through blood, semen or vaginal secretions.

And if the inmate had TB, they would have already been quarantined upon their initial medical examine.

The flu, chickenpox, measles, whooping cough, glandular fever, strep throat and the common cold hardly qualify as serious health hazards in this day and age.

Meningocaccal disease is no longer thought to be transmitted through saliva.

Diphtheria, mumps, rubella has largely been eradicated in developed nations through wide-spread vaccination.

Meningitis is caused by a germ that enters a person's bloodstream. The officer would have to have an open sore or a gushing wound in order for infection to occur.

The only people who should be concerned about CMV are pregnant women and those with HIV, so if the officer was pregnant or had HIV, I'll give you that one.

My point with all of this is that the probability of an officer getting something that would be considered a serious health hazard is an extremely low %.

[youngdem]

11. Psychotic patients and inmates spit, and it's a health hazard

Act like an animal, get treated like one.

Don't spit on a guard and you won't ever have to wear one.

[Joanne98]

27. Maybe mentally ill people should be in MENTAL HOSPITALS

instead of jail? It makes sense to me.

[tomp]

50. yes, but as a mental health worker...

...we cannot allow people to spit at us either. the most humane, least restrictive measures will be taken. those measures will be taken based on the behavior of the patient. believe it or not, protecting the staff is at least as high a priority as protecting the patient.

that being said, i have never had to mask a patient for spitting.

[Joanne98]

110. But, if they were in hospitals they would spit LESS!

Don't you think. Or do you people have a problem too. Overcrowding?
How's this for a solution. Try to find out WHY their spitting and solve the problem. Maybe there's a reason? Maybe it's easy to solve? How old fashioned of me.

[tomp]

124. wow, where to begin?

first, who is this "they" that belongs in mental hospitals? i'm of the opinion that many, if not all, people who commit crimes are mentally ill, and should be treated as such. i believe in humane treatment of both "prisoners" and "the mentally ill". but no matter how humanely you treat some people, they still spit at you, or strike out at you, etc. bottom line: if you want staff to do the work required in either prisons or psychiatric facilities you must protect the staff.

second, yes, "we people" have a problem. it's called "overworked/understaffed", perhaps you've heard of it. american society has not yet figured out that it needs more and better trained staff to do the things it wants done the way it wants them done. they don't want to pay any more money for prisons or psychiatric facilities than they're paying right now. you get what you pay for.

third, mentally ill people spit because they're mentally ill. some criminals spit because they're being abused and there's nothing else to do. some criminals spit because they're mentally ill. in the final analysis, people spit when they're at the end of their rope in one way or another. your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to reform the world so that no one ever gets to the end of their rope. easy to solve? yeah, right. old fashioned? try naive.

why don't you try going to work on the front lines of the prison or psychiatric system and get back to us.

[mondo joe]

12. If she spits on a guard then maybe she SHOULD wear that mask. NT

[Joanne98]

15. It's a chicken or egg problem. When people get treated like animals

they behave like animals.

[mondo joe]

22. Then exerting some self control would be in one's best interest.

I have little good to say about people who spit on others, or those with no self control.

[Joanne98]

32. Is it okay to spit on someone when you're being tortured?

How about raped? Is it okay then?

[mondo joe]

33. Does it gain you anything to do so?

Does it?

[Joanne98]

40. People don't spit on people because they GAIN anything...

It's a reaction to an extreme emotion. LIKE A REFLEX! Anyway, that's the way we used to think when we were human beings.

[mondo joe]

44. As I said, it would be a good time to exert some self control.

That's something humans do too - control their reactions, especially when it is in their own best interest to do so.

[zippy890]

37. if they exerted self control they wouldn't be in the fucking prison

to begin with.

You are a very lucky person. Probably nice childhood, both parents around, a good role model. No mental illness problems, no addiction problems. probably had many opportunities to make something of your life.

Oh to always be totally in self control throughout ones life, I envy you.

I am NOT excusing criminal behavior. But there are an awful lot of drug addicts and mentally ill people, mostly low-income in jail, which isn't doing them any good, its just making them worse.

[mondo joe]

42. Interesting. I feel there are too many jailable offenses, and that prison is often

inappropriately used to house the mentally ill, and to worsen minor offenders.

But with the exception of the mentally ill, people do have a choice to exert self control or not - especially when it comes to their own best interest.

And for the record, you're quite wrong - I grew up in a poor neighborhood in a poor city, and my parents were divorced before I can even remember. I ate meals on the free lunch program, and at least half my relatives were on welfare, in jail or on parole.

[zippy890]

46. yeah, right

" grew up in a poor neighborhood in a poor city, and my parents were divorced before I can even remember. I ate meals on the free lunch program, and at least half my relatives were on welfare, in jail or on parole."

and I'm Elenor Roosevelt

[mondo joe]

48. Hm, did I make some exceptional claim?

What about my life do you find so extraordinary as to make it implausible?

Do you not believe people with my background can grow up to write in complete sentences, and believe in self control?

[zippy890]

51. yes, your claim is implausible

your forgot the part about living in the projects and running away from the gangs.

:rofl:

[mondo joe]

52. Again, what about it is implausible?

You're exposing some unfortunate bias on your part.

[LisaL]

53. Spitting on someone is health hazard. Would you want

a drug addict or a mentally ill person spitting on you?
I don't think so.

[JackBeck]

76. How is spitting on someone a health hazard?

What diseases could potentially be transmitted, besides the flu, whooping cough, or glandular fever?

And the mere act of spitting someone isn't going to transmit a disease. The germ needs a point of entry.

[High Plains]

116. What are "drug addicts" or mentally ill people doing in prison?

We are a sick, sadistic society.

[LostInAnomie]

34. Why should guards not be afforded basic protections?

Just because they signed up for the job doesn't mean they signed up to be assaulted with bodily fluids, especially bodily fluids that could contain infectious diseases.

I've worked in jails and with the violently mentally ill. In many cases they will give you no warning when they are going to spit (or do worse) at/to you. If they have shown a pattern for this behavior, why not protect against it? Or should guards just allow themselves to be assaulted? :eyes:

[tammywammy]

38. Don't you realize

It's just a "fat lazy assholes" that are prison guards. They deserve to be spit upon. :eyes:

[LostInAnomie]

47. Yeah, being a "fat lazy asshole" has to be the reason they get spit on.

Not that they are working around violent criminals that see little consequence in assaulting an authority figure. That can't be it. :eyes:

[Joanne98]

58. Oh come on. Don't you think cops and prison guards have an attitude problem?

Have you ever tried to get someone out of jail? They treat everyone like shit. Get real.

[Marrah_G]

72. No I don't

[LostInAnomie]

73. "They treat everyone like shit."

That is a grossly unfair accusation. I have personally released dozens if not hundreds of people from jail and neither I, nor the other guards I worked with treated anyone like shit. We were professional because we had to be. We may have been a little cold or impersonal at times but that's what happens after a day of dealing with criminals that 9 times out of 10 deserve to be there and more than likely will be back. It is especially hard to be cordial when you've been spit on or have had your arm jerked through the tray hole and bitten by someone who could have any number of diseases. Sure there are some assholes, but that could be said of any profession. Then again, assholes in other profession aren't being filmed 24/7 to ensure that they don't misbehave.

I would have loved to have had one of those masks. Especially to use on all the drunks and geekers who spit on us because we had the audacity try to fingerprint them.

Maybe you should point the finger on all the criminals that won't control their own behavior or take responsibility for their own actions.

[rucky]

45. We shouldn't even treat animals "like animals". n/t

[Joanne98]

59. That's true. The modern world is so un-natural. It's part of the problem.

the more mechanized we get, the more human or animal traits get controlled and retracted. It's perverse.

[postulater]

49. A couple years ago

our local police put one of those on a kid after a routine traffic stop. They used in wrong and suffocated the guy. His parents got a settlement instead of grandkids.

[Name removed]

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[michreject]

83. If someone murders someone for whatever reason

They should go to prison for life. No parole. No deviations in sentencing.

[Name removed]

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[michreject]

106. No deviation in sentencing

Too many people looking for excuses instead of taking responsibility for their actions.

We are a country of laws. The rule of law maintains order. This is true regardless of the political party in control.

You don't want to go to prison, don't break the law. If you do and get caught. Don't complain.

[Joanne98]

62. The best book wrote on the US prison system to date. (deep thinkers only)

This book really connects all the dots.
http://www.amazon.com/American-Methods-Torture-Logic-Domination/dp/0896087530

Brilliant study of the US state's use of methods of barbarism, February 15, 2007
By William Podmore (London United Kingdom) - See all my reviews


In this important book American journalist Kristian Williams shows how the US state has institutionalised torture. President Bush asserted in February 2002, "None of the provisions of Geneva apply to our conflict with al-Qaeda in Afghanistan or elsewhere throughout the world." As the Schlesinger Report concluded, this Presidential ruling allowed US forces to increase their use of illegal interrogation techniques.

So US police, military and prison guards routinely treat detainees brutally. The repulsive abuses at Abu Ghraib are typical, not aberrant. There have been more than 400 reports of abuse in US detention camps in Afghanistan, Guantanamo and Iraq, and a hundred inquiries have been launched. There were 13 officially acknowledged murders at detention camps between January 2002 and March 2005.

The US state, with Labour's connivance, has consistently used `extraordinary rendition', kidnapping people and then transferring them to other states for torture. For example, the CIA illegally sent suspected al-Qaeda trainer Ibn al-Libi to Cairo for torture, where he apparently confessed that Iraq had trained al-Qaeda members to make bombs. Bush then publicised this confession, as did Colin Powell to the UN, even though the Defense Intelligence Agency had already warned them that the confession was unreliable.

Williams details torture by the US military and the US police, by US allies overseas, and in US prisons, jails and detention facilities in the USA and abroad. The US state uses torture methods like stun guns, stun belts, pepper sprays, restraints, rape and the threat of rape, `supermax facilities' and solitary confinement. The US state promotes torture in its training programmes, for example in the `Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation', formerly called the School of the Americas.

Williams reveals the US state as a machine of coercion, of organised violence - represented by armed bodies of men, the police, armed services, prisons - designed to subjugate the will of others by force. Williams proves that "The product of torture is not truth, but terror. Its strategy is not that of objective investigation, but of political intimidation."

http://www.amazon.com/American-Methods-Torture-Logic-Domination/dp/0896087530

[sniffa]

64. deep thinkers onLy?

:rofl:

you're kiLLing me.

:rofl:

[Joanne98]

68. It's an academic book. Sorry most people don't like to read them.

[DemBones DemBones]

101. Academics use better grammar; "It's the best book WRITTEN on the

subject."

[Joanne98]

119. I didn't say I was an academic. I said he was...

[Error]

63. And if you spit on a guard, you're behaving like an animal.

[sniffa]

65. you're not a deep thinker

[Error]

69. that is a weak argument

I respond to your argument and you insult me?

an I'm not the deep thinker?

[tammywammy]

70. ...

:rofl:

[Joanne98]

67. I have to go to the pound to get my animals some flee stuff. Let me say this..

First. I'd like to apologize if I insulted any DU cops or prison guards.
But I believe the US justice system is so broken it's almost beyond repair. It has no credibility left. It's a total joke. I know that some cops and guards feel the same way. It's got to be hard having a job like this especially if you have a heart. This is a subject we Americans are going to have to hash out and it's not going to be pretty. It's a very tough and emotional issue. I'm taking advantage of the media attention on Paris Hilton to discuss incarceration. I'm not just bitching on a Saturday afternoon. I haven't even got into the "Prison Industrial Complex" part yet. What a scandal that is. Please forgive me if I insulted you. It's not personal. Peace!

[LostInAnomie]

75. You've implied that all guards are "fat lazy assholes" that abuse prisoners...

... and "treat everyone like shit", but "it's not personal". :eyes:

I guess I'm just not a deep enough thinker to fully appreciate the subtlety of your point.

[Joanne98]

91. Don't cry.

[LostInAnomie]

117. I guess that's the kind of deep thinking response I can expect...

... from someone that thinks a mean looking mask made of mesh equals cruel and unusual punishment. :eyes:

[Jed Dilligan]

81. I have nothing against prison guards,

I just want to see their numbers and pay reduced by about 70%.

[Marrah_G]

84. 70%????

Exactly how much do you think they make? My ex has to work an extra 20 hours a week doing traffic details just to make ends meet.

Perhaps in other parts of the country they are outrageouslu paid, but in Mass they barely make enough to afford to live here. Most have second jobs. I remember back in the 90's he decided to find out how much it paid in NH because we wanted to move there. I think it was 8 or 9 dollars an hour at the county jail.

[Jed Dilligan]

89. In California, which is the largest state prison system

They make about ninety bucks an hour and are the most powerful political lobby in the state. And, their service sucks.

[Joanne98]

103. Bingo! So nobody can get released because they might lose their jobs.

The "put people in cages then have people guard them industry".

I have this proposition to offer the prison guards union. Let's replace the humans with DOGS! I bet that on every block in Ammerikka there is at least one dog who doesn't do what it's told. Let's slowly start arresting these dogs and replace them with the humans. That way the guards won't lose a day of work. Deal?

[tammywammy]

86. Well, reduce anyones pay by 70% and a bunch of them will just quit

But then who will be prison guards?

And seriously, how much money do you think they make if it can be reduced to 70% and still be a livable wage?

[Jed Dilligan]

88. End the War on Drugs nt

[tammywammy]

92. So how does that answer my question

How much do you think prison guards get paid that they can take a 70% pay cut and still make a livable wage?

[Jed Dilligan]

95. In my state, they could.

I don't think they should make more money than people with much more difficult and important jobs, like cleaning toilets in office buildings.

[tammywammy]

97. So is this all prison guards across the board

from the minimum security prisons up to Supermax? Are you equating a a person that guards murderers and rapists to someone that cleans toilets? Do you not see a discrepancy between the two jobs and the hazards doing them?

[Jed Dilligan]

100. You open a door, you close a door.

Big deal. We're more likely to get hepatitis from a dirty toilet than killed by a murderer.

As for hazards: agricultural workers get killed all the time, and we depend on their labor to survive every single day. No one's advocating paying them a hundred bucks an hour.

[tammywammy]

102. Well, in my state

Guards don't make that much. The most recent story I've seen says that with raises that were proposed the average pay rate is $36,000. I think they're worth that.

I also agree that agricultural workers don't get paid enough either considering the dangers they encounter.

But, I completely disagree with equating a prison guard to toilet cleaner. It's different.

[Jed Dilligan]

105. What do you have against toilet cleaners?

Do you think their job is lowly and unimportant? Do you think it isn't hard? Do you think the demands placed on them don't tempt them to take shortcuts that would jeopardize public health?

The only thing that makes guarding inmates "different" is our collective fear of criminals, which is based more on media images and myths than actual encounters with criminals.

[tammywammy]

107. I have nothing against people that clean toilets for a living

I'm sorry if you interpreted anything that I've said that way. It's an under-appreciated job....but at the same time so is guarding prisoners.

[Jed Dilligan]

109. That depends on the state you're in.

Here, they are extremely over-appreciated. The CCPOA is the most powerful political lobby in California. That is not an exaggeration.

[Joanne98]

96. It makes too much MONEY for the feds! But that's exactly want should be done.

THIRTY YEARS SINCE THE WAR ON WARS WAS DECLARED AND WE ARE STILL LOSING!

They don't want to win. They're LOSING ON PURPOSE. It's too PROFITABLE from them to let go!

[Joanne98]

87. The California Motor Vehicle laws!

Most people who live in CA know why Paris Hilton had to go to jail for driving on a suspended license. It a VERY serious crime in CA and here's why.

In the 1980 election Howard Jarvis put Prop 13 on the ballet. This capped real estate taxes at 13%. The homeowners were ecstatic. The bureaucratic in the government apparently weren't and that explains what happened next. How to make up the lost tax revenue? Let's use the DMV. Let's collect the money thru creating all kinds of new driver laws. We'll raise the fines and make the sentences harsher. THAT'S THE TICKET!

Everybody in CA knows about the four-legged embezzlement machine, officially known as the "street sweeper". All of a sudden the "street sweeper' was everywhere. Your street got sweeped once a week, on both sides, whether it was dirty or not. This traumatized whole families. "Did you move the car? " NO? OMG where are the KEYS?" Everybody in the house would run out to the street. Some people would even stand in front of the monster, trying to buy time. The street sweeper brings in TONS of money. Because there's no room to park in LA, everybody gets tickets and those tickets add up and then you get pulled over and get another ticket for not paying your tickets and then you fail to go to court because you don't have the money to pay your tickets and then you get a warrant and you drive anyway and then your license gets suspended and you drive anyway and then you get pulled over again and go to jail for your tickets which get paid off by jail time but you are now charged with driving on a suspended license so you get a court date and you drive anyway and you get pulled over again and go to jail. THIS is the way the system works. Driving on a suspended license is a VERY SERIOUS charge in CA because it's the only way you can get people in jail to pay their tickets, THAT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE, so you can make up the revenue prop 13 took away.

If you took all the CA DMV laws and put them in books and stacked them up they would go ALL THE WAY TO THE MOON!

So Paris Hilton HAD to go to jail because if she hadn't all the other DMV criminals would have REVOLTED.

Oh. Paris should know that it is the criminals responsibility to get warrants remove off the books. You have to buy something called an ABSTRACT! You get it from the court and take it to the DMV to get your warrants removed BUT if you don't know that, your warrants never get taken off and the next time you get pulled over you get ARRESTED AGAIN!

I had a non-registration ticket. I paid it twice, I went to jail for it TWICE and before I left CA, I went to go get my license and it was STILL ON THE COMPUTER. that was thirteen years ago and I KNOW it's still there. If I visit I will no doubt get pulled over and go back to jail. HI PARIS!

The CA DMV laws are a perfect example of why the whole criminal justice system is just BULL SHIT! people who take it seriously are IDIOTS!

there are well intention people who try to get mass transit system built in CA but it will NEVER HAPPEN unless you undo prop 13 first. Because it's not about the law, it's all about the MONEY!

Before I went to jail for driving on a suspended license. The court told me I could get probation if I just paid 4000.00 dollars. My dad offered to pay it for me, I said NO! I'm not giving the bastards ONE MORE PENNY. I'll just GO TO JAIL. Let THEM pay for it. HA HA! And that's what I did.

There are thousands of people in jail who are only there because they are making money for SOMEONE. That's not a justice system that's an embezzlement system. If people are spitting on guards it's because they are frustrated and beyond coping sanely with an INSANE SYSTEM!

[Jed Dilligan]

90. Yep.

A clever response to the tax revolt: replaces taxes with fines by making everyone a criminal and every crime serious.

[Joanne98]

99. I was waiting for someone on tee vee to talk about this last night

But NO.... It's a secret!

[sniffa]

98. k&r

Let's get this on the greatest page!!1!

[Joanne98]

108. You know. None of this would be happening if we had a REAL economy.

Like we use to before globalization. When we used to produce things that people needed, before we shipped ALL our jobs to China. Now we have to think of ways to pay people to do things we don't need. Services we don't need. Let's charge prisoners three dollars a minute to use the phone. Good one. Let's have them assembled products for 17 cents an hour. Let's have them clean up TOXIC WASTE DUMPS! If they die they can't sue. Prison Industries.. YEAH! I bet this is part of the reason Washington is soooo determined to get the Immigration Bill passed. They will have 12 million new human commodity units to PUT IN JAIL! CHA CHING!!!

[Joanne98]

111. The Drug War...

http://www.dunwalke.com/1_Brady_Bush_Bechtel.htm

[Joanne98]

112. Prison Industries..

http://www.unicor.gov/

[Joanne98]

114. Paris Hilton had to go to jail because, if she hadn't.....

It would have exposed a chink in the armor of a very big secret. A FAKE justice system, with FAKE laws, to impose FAKE order, in a country that has FAKE freedom.

The corporate rich and the politicians they corrupt know exactly what's going on, but they were going to try to sneak by a two tier punishment scheme. One for the rich and one for the rest of us. THEY weren't suppose to get caught in their OWN spider web. But poor Paris, God Bless her, blew the whole thing wide open.

We got Paris yesterday and we will get Scooter next week and we will KEEP GETTING THEM. We're going to put the bastards in their own monstrous creation. We're going to keep doing it until there are more of them behind bars than there is of us. Frankensteins come forth. I have a jail cell for you.

[Xenotime]

115. Animals is how America's elite see the general population.

Therefore, they feel they can do what everthey want.

[Joanne98]

118. I'm surprised they don't neuter us!

[Xenotime]

123. LOL good one.

[Joanne98]

120. I just asked my dog if he want's a muzzle and he said NO!

[tiredofthisstuff]

121. Hey, I have an idea.

[mondo joe]

122. And if she eats someone's face she'll get to wear this one.