Here We Go: Pope tells Bush he's concerned about the fate of Christians in Iraq...

[bridgit]

Bush tells Pope by way of assurance that "We're working hard to make sure that they/people lived up to the constitution/the modern constitution that was voted on by the people that would honor people from different walks of life and attitudes."

[krispos42]

1. Right.

Like all those Christian soldiers he won't buy body armor for?

http://www.vortrupp.de.nyud.net:8090/humor/pics/bullshit.jpg

[bridgit]

4. maybe this is the only body armor they really need after all...

http://www.armorofgodpjs.com

[krispos42]

8. Oh. My. GOD!

http://www.armorofgodpjs.com.nyud.net:8090/images/home.jpg



Yanno, when they make Superman costumes for kids, they have to put a warning tag on them. "Warning: wearing costume does not enable you to fly"

Do these come with a similar warning? Or, to go the other way, does it come with a guarentee?

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[bridgit]

11. hahaha, a guarantee would be preferable, though likely a limited warranty...

:rofl: :thumbsup:

[whistle]

2. How many Christians are in Iraq, excluding U.S. and allied occupiers

...and occupational corporate workers and their families?

[Retrograde]

15. There're the Chaldean and the Assyrian Churches

which have been in the area since shortly after the time of Jesus, long before the birth of Mohammed. The Chaldean Church recognizes the pope as its head, I don't think the Assyrians do.

[whistle]

16. Thanks, I was not sure how I would look that up, but with your post

...I was able to locate this website and corresponding information:

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The Christian minorities in Iraq today are among the oldest in Christendom. They make up about 6% of the population numbering fewer than one million out of a population of 17 million. They consist of two main groups:

1. The Catholics (650,000)

A. Chaldean Rite: more than 600,000 with one patriarch (Babylon in Baghdad); four archdioceses (Kirkuk, Mosul, Basra & Arbil; and five dioceses (Alqosh, Amadijah, Aqra, Sulaimaniya & Zakhu)
B. Syrian Rite: more than 47,000 with two archdioceses (Baghdad and Mosul)
C. Latin (Roman) Rite: more than 4000 with one archdiocese (Baghdad).
D. Armenian Rite: more than 3000 with one archdiocese (Baghdad).


2. The Other Christians (200,000)

A. The Church of the East, formerly Nestorian. More than 150,000.
B. Syrian Orthodox: More than 40,000.
C. Armenians. More than 5000.

The above figures are derived from CHALDEANS PAST AND PRESENT by Fr. Michael Bazzi (1993)

The Chaldean Church in the United States is divided into two dioceses, the Eparchy of St. Thomas the Apostle located in Detroit, MI consisting of 31 states with about 100,000 members in seven parishes and the Eparchy of St. Peter the Apostle located in El Cajon, CA consisting of 19 states with about 35,000 members in seven parishes. The Eparchy in Detroit is headed by Mar Ibrahim Ibrahim and the Eparchy of El Cajon is under Mar Sarhad-Yawsip Jammo.


UPDATE
Since we published this page, Mission "Iraqi Freedom" appears to be emerging as a civil war between the minority, formerly dominant, Sunni Muslims who seek through violence to prevent the inevitable emergence of the majority Shia Muslims to the position of power and control of the state and its oil and gas reserves. As for the Christian minorities in Iraq, their situation as infidels in a Muslim country grows ever more precarious. Christians are publicly harassed; their women are insulted for not dressing as Muslims; their businesses destroyed; and their churches are bombed, with the result that many are fleeing abroad. (see Christian Flight from the Middle East at: http://www.byzantines.net/byzcathculture/christflight.html) Recently elections were held in Iraq resulting in the unquestionable ascendancy of the Shia to power. Already their clerics have made it clear that they want a new constitution based on the Quran and governed by the sharia (Muslim law code). Accordingly it appears to us highly likely that in the future Iraq will resemble the Islamic Republic of Iran. America's misadventure in Iraq is bearing bitter fruit.
<MORE>

http://www.byzantines.net/epiphany/chaldean.htm

<also see link> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assyrian_Church_of_the_East

[napi21]

3. Sure, Christians are going to be just fine in Iraq! They'll do just as

well as the Shiia and Sunni do together!

[Pharaoh]

Interesting!

Amazing that he is not concerned for the people of Iraq but for the Christians in Iraq. Yeah that's some spiritual leader,.............

[bridgit]

6. i did find that a distinction this pope very capable of...

[Captain Hilts]

13. Not true. Cardinal Rat has consistently expressed opposition to the whole of the war...

and its effect on all the Iraqi people.

Much as I loathe him, I give him credit for that. And JPII, or whoever was pulling his strings at the time, was a voice against the invasion in 2003.

[rucky]

17. I think he was trying to say "cut the shit..."

in terms he thought the boy king would understand.

[BOSSHOG]

5. Which dobson's american family radio will twist to mean

THE POPE SAID ALL CHRISTIANS IN ANY COUNTRY ALL OVER THE PLANET ARE PERSECUTED. Christians in American have no fucking idea what persecution is. They are spoiled brats who have no respect for the constitution, the document which makes them spoiled.

[bridgit]

9. yep, by the time they get done playing a round of 'telephone line', Jesus will have been...

crucified all over again on a filthy little side street just outside the green zone, if not just inside Sadr City

[Nikki Stone1]

14. Hit the nail on the head, Bosshog

Here come the allegations of persecution

[tridim]

7. Just heard Idiot-boy's statement on the radio..

and I almost threw up in my mouth.

It just gets worse every day.

[bridgit]

10. i seen it on TV, bush is comletely vain, he has to slip his reading glasses on...

to see matters of detail, likely past the tip of his nose all is but a blur

[Captain Hilts]

12. The Vatican has been against this war from the Get-go. Let's give them credit for that. nt

[Avalux]

18. Pope should have said ALL people in Iraq, not just Christians.

I remember a pope not too long ago who was concerned for all humanity, not just those who call themselves Christians. He also had harsh words for Bush. I miss you John Paul.