Abortion for religion's sake!

[Counciltucky]

How about THIS logic...

People should have the ability to abort so that they can send their offspring to Heaven before they have a chance to sin.

(Yes, I say it tongue-in-cheek, but it's more rational than a lot of anti-choice arguments.)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

1. One Of The Most Stupid Arguments Towards The Point I've Ever Heard, No Offense.

[Counciltucky]

2. None taken.

Like I said, it's tongue-in-cheek.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

8. Not nearly as stupid as EVERY SINGLE forced birther argument I've ever heard. nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. Compared To Most, Sure It Is. By A Longshot.

But I have a feeling you're going to be judging it based more on emotions than objectivity.

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

13. Awwww, That's So Cute! Using That Beaten To Death Misogynist Word!

Too funny.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

16. Okay, I'll bite then. Explain why it's stupid.

Because to me it's a perfectly rational argument to pose to someone who opposes abortion on fundamentalist religious grounds but also believes in all the tenets of that faith. It seems far more compassionate to abort the fetus and secure it's place in Heaven than to give birth to it and expose it to the potential risk of eternal damnation through acts it may commit in life. The woman who has the abortion can always get "born again" and repent afterwards so it's really a win-win for both of them, dontcha think?

Now try to come up with an answer that doesn't (a) contain the similar religious view or a different one of your own or (b) contain some criticism of the pregnant woman's behavior.

[Counciltucky]

17. Wow...

I didn't even think that deep about it, lol. I was more/less being a smartass.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

18. Me too

But I relish any chance I get to point out inconsistencies like that. Trust me, most anti-choice religious nuts haven't thought that deeply about it either.

[Warpy]

3. I pointed out the doctrinal nightmare that eliminating Limbo

would present to the antiabortion Roman Catholic Church. If an aborted fetus zings right up to heaven, what's the point of birth, risking hell as one traverses the miserable journey of life?

I don't suppose that occurred to those old men in dresses and funny hats in Rome, but eventually it's going to dawn on them that they're going to have to rethink a few things.

[Lars39]

4. Makes sense,

given that some fundies believe an infant should be trained out of their willfullness.

[treestar]

5. This is where their logic leads

They never stop to think about that.

Just like the Muslims and their paradise with 70 virgins. If it's a better place and you truly believe in it, you'll be suicidal. It is the rational end of religion so it is the reason everyone should take their religion with at least one grain of salt, step back from it and see it as something to get through life. That's how cults end up killing themselves. Taking it so seriously and making it so central to their life that they reach that logical conclusion that they will be going to Paradise, so they drink the kook-aid and board the Hale-Bopp comet.

[Iris]

6. I like your style treestar!

You've been spot-on with all your posts today!

[patrice]

15. Bingo!!

Their leaders are, as the Bible so aptly put it, "... as whited sepulchre(s)."

The whole thing has become so god-intoxicated it is blasphemous and it is a god of death, hence the great religious revivalism around 9/11 and the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq, which the media exploits and for which the general public is flogged if anyone tries to say anything against the "glory" of dying for some (HIGHLY HYPOTHETICAL) thing we are told is "the Greater Good".

I call Bullshit on all of that:
99.9999999999999999999999. . . 9% of the time it is NOT "Better dead than____________" and that .00000000000000000000. . . 1% of the time that it MIGHT be, I want to be the one who chooses what the _______________ is; that's not the Government-Economic-System's right nor privilege.

No NUKES!!!

[krispos42]

7. I've wondered that myself

Idly, of course. I'll have to watch this thread to see what opinions come up...

[China_cat]

10. But then you have the denominations

who say that babies, children, stillborns, etc, will go to hell if their parents aren't saved.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. I actually argued this point to a particularly religious forced birther one time

His response was so tortured that it would have been laughable were it not so obviously borne of misogyny and venom. According to him, subjecting an unborn fetus to the high probability of eternal torment and damnation (given his belief that the vast majority of humans were not True Christians) was an acceptable price because of the importance of punishing women who have sex with pregnancy. You know, Eve and her vessel-of-sin descendents and all.

[patrice]

14. Or how about this one:

What if we are near or at critical mass for a series of changes which will make us extinct?

People should have the choice to choose abortion to prevent Earth from aborting the Human species.

Perhaps it is a certain concrete physical calculus of survival, conscious or intuitive, that motivates Choice.

This would be Pro-Life Abortion.

P.S. It also suggests one explanation for Homosexuality, as in Pro-Life Homosexuality.