Fuck you colin powell, Gitmo is there BECAUSE of pricks like you.

[Philosoraptor]

I didn't watch it, but saw the now infamous clip of powell saying we should shut down the Gitmo torture facility this evening if not sooner, and he almost sounded like a real human being for a second till I remembered that little vial of white powder he presented to the U.N. and how he LIED US INTO WAR with all the rest of the nazi ghouls.

Fuck you colin, you're a nazi Uncle Tom asshole who is responsible for the deaths of half a million innocent Iraqis and 3,500 dead G.I.'s, why should a little thing like a torture factory run by the U.S. bother you? Fuck you.

I assume colin never even once suggested shutting down the whole obscene war and coming wars did he? Get real colin, or at least pretend to. Are you a human being with compassion all of a sudden now that Guantanamo Bay has become an international disgrace and habeas corpus is a corpse? Why feel bad about a few terrorists getting tortured at gitmo when there's all those other horrors going on? What's a little public torture matter to a guy who helped bush orchestrate the end of the world?

With all due respect sir, fuck you.

[Hubert Flottz]

1. I agree...It's a little late now for Powell to grow a pair!

He's as guilty as all the other enablers!

[Snotcicles]

60. Better do something big Powell, redemption is a long tough slog, you ain't even close. nt

[madokie]

2. I'll second that

[Solly Mack]

3. Fuck Powell. He's a thug. A willing accomplice in Bush's crimes.

Powell's hands are just as dirty.

[NNN0LHI]

4. I slept on this subject before commenting and came to the same conclusion you did

This POS should be in prison. Not playing footsie with our presidential candidate.

Fuck you Colin Powell!

Don

[Tesha]

10. I guess I don't understand why...

> This POS should be in prison.

I guess I don't understand why a who lot of people
aren't on their way to jail for lying to the Congress,
the PotUS and VPotUS chief among them.

Even unsworn lying to to Congress is illegal, isn't it?

Tesha

[NewJeffCT]

13. yes, it is illegal

to lie to Congress, even if you're not under oath.

[Totally Committed]

5. Thank you!

Because of Colin Powell's complicity in the lies of the Bush Administraion, and he direct lies to the UN, we invaded a sovereign country and killed thousands of people -- theirs and ours -- for those lies.

He will find no redemption or forgiveness until he appolgizes and confesses all he knows under oath. He is dead to me until then -- no matter WHOSE campaign chooses to take him on.

I join you in your poetic salute to the man: "With all due respect sir, fuck you." And, the same to anyone who chooses to give you political credence or cover.

TC

[Tyler Durden]

6. "With all due respect sir,"??? War criminals are not due respect.

When he joined the "Nazis 'r' Us" team and decided to shill and lie for them, he got in line behind Josef Goebbels.

He has dishonored himself and disgraced his service. He is due no respect.

[Philosoraptor]

8. I've NEVER understood the cult of adoration around him.

He never had any respect in my book, but he's always portrayed as a man of integrity and honor. Like bush, he is a living myth.

[Warren Stupidity]

9. Black republican thugs, assholes and idiots get a pass.

They have an immunity card. Somewhere in the Survivor Rulebook this is clearly spelled out. See Alan Keyes: idiot extraordinaire, complete asshole: immunity. See Clarence (the mute) Thomas.

[tabasco]

15. Me too. As a Major, he could not discover evidence of atrocities in Vietnam

and his entire career was made by wiping his boss's asses.

I met the man when I was an infantry officer in Somalia (another Bush folly).

When I shook his hand, Powell had soft hands, like a baby, like he hadn't done real work in ages.

[Tyler Durden]

17. Reminds me of the ass-kissing General in "Mars Attacks" n/t

[Tyler Durden]

16. What I ESPECIALLY love is the way his kid got away with murder.

I'm particularly sick about the cults of personality that have become rampant in this hemisphere.

Perhaps Mao had a good idea about making these stuffed shirts occasionally pick up a farm implement and hit the fields. Might humble them just a little.

HUBRIS is now the order of government.

[barbtries]

81. i am unfamiliar

is there a link? well, i'll google it...

[Tyler Durden]

93. Michael Powell? FCC?? Janet Jackson??? Howard Stern????

First amendment? Time Warner Deal?

Try googling THOSE.

How soon we forget.

[barbtries]

98. thanks

[rock]

7. ditto

[wakeme2008]

11. This Vietnam Vet says ditto

Just shut up colon.

[AlinPA]

12. Exactly. Exactly. Powell is a phony liar. The whole world saw him lie.

[DeSwiss]

14. He makes me want to puke!!!

K&R :)

[UTUSN]

18. Hear, Hear!!1 Colin's history is LITTERED with fuck-ups!!1

Everything from BIG (covering up Vietnam atrocities) to small (approving the new e-passport, every page covered with pictures where the visa stamps should go).


Are you listening, Senator OBAMA?!!1

[GliderGuider]

19. His argument was purely utilitarian, too

He argued that Gitmo was wrong because it had hurt America's standing in the world community. Not a word about the intrinsic immorality of detention without charge or trial. If it hadn't interfered with US foreign affairs, Unka Tom Powell wouldn't have said word one about it.

This clumsy attempt at post-hoc redemption has caused him to sink even further in my estimation, and I didn't think that was possible.

[Colobo]

20. It's NEVER too late to rectify, especially if lives are involved.

[libnnc]

24. Have you got skin in this game?

Besides supporting a candidate who seeks Powell's "expert advice" on foreign policy...

The families of the 655,000 dead in Iraq and the loved ones of the 3,500 dead US service men and women might disagree with you.

I think Powell has done enough damage for the next few decades, thanks anyway.

[hvn_nbr_2]

21. His mission: Save his legacy..... Mission...failed. nt

[Flabbergasted]

22. I disagree for the most part. It was well said and a timely comment.

I applaud him.

[lakercub]

83. I'm afraid I disagree with you

Timely comments would have been in 2002 and 2003...not 2007.

Colin should have publicly and loudly resigned rather than go to the UN with the crap he presented. He disgraced himself. He is one of the reasons Bush got elected. Many saw him as a moderate voice of reason among the religiously insane neo-cons. Clearly that didn't work. He might have disagreed with Bush behind the scenes, but in front of the public, many of whom trusted him, he was a simpering yes man.

Colin is the biggest traitor of them all. Not Cheney, not Bush, not Rumsfeld...we knew they were assholes. Colin was supposed to be the independent mind that would keep Bush in check, which was key for getting votes from the center. That makes him the biggest sell-out of all.

[RestoreGore]

23. Amen. He lied to our faces at the UN

Backtrackjing doesn't change his place in history.

[gravity]

25. What could Colin have done to prevent it?

The president was in charge of the foreign policy.

How would anyone else been able to prevent the war, if Bush already had his mind set on it?

Remember who the real bad guys are, not the folks who don't really have a choice in the matter.

[mondo joe]

26. He couuld have quit in protest. He could have refused to present a bogus case to the UN.

He could still try to regain his integrity by coming clean.

[gravity]

28. We would have still gone to war though

What's the point of quitting then?

Powell conceded that if we were going to attack no matter what, we should have the international community involved. Although he failed to persuade the UN, he tried to make Bush's foreign policy somewhat diplomatic in the process.

[mondo joe]

30. The point of quitting? Two things spring to mind: 1. creating a powerful public

voice against the war - remember, Powell was chosen to deliver the bogus message precisely because he was considered to have influence; 2. he would have kept himself clean.

[gravity]

35. A public voice wouldn't have stopped the war

Look at all the protest against the war before it started. He would probably just been labeled a "freedom hating french terrorists gay lover" and be dismissed.

Also the state of the country is more important than a personal reputation.

[mondo joe]

36. Pure speculation. You have no idea what Powell coming forward would have done.

And since his presence did NOTHING to stop the war he could, at a minimum, have bolstered the anti-war side.

"It would have happened anyway" is a very poor excuse for collaborating in a crime.

[gravity]

39. You don't know what it would have done either

Hindsight is 20/20, and he thought he was making the best decision at the time. If he would have known that getting the UN support would have been a failure, he might have acted differently, but it's still speculation.

To get back to my main point, I don't think that Powell should be considered as bad as the rest of the Bushies who the real criticism should be directed to wards. At worst Powell was an enabler, although I don't think anyone else would have done anything differently and successfully prevented us from going into war.

[mondo joe]

40. No, I don't - but I do know he didn't prevent anything that happened, and he made himself complicit

in it all.

Again: "it would have happened anyway" is a very poor excuse for collaboration.

[gravity]

41. "'it would have happened anyway' is a very poor excuse for collaboration."

I disagree.

If something bad is going to happen, you at least should use your power to make the situation better than it would have been without your presence.

[mondo joe]

42. What did Powell do to "make the situation better"?

[libnnc]

43. Exactly.

Hey, we agree!

:toast:

[gravity]

45. He attempted to get the international community involved

but he failed and his reputation suffered as a result.

[libnnc]

46. I thought he lied to the international community

and they wouldn't buy his bullshit.

That's how I remember it.

[mondo joe]

48. So he failed no matter what he did? He could have at least told the TRUTH even

if it didn't stop the war.

[gravity]

51. Hindsight is 20/20

[mondo joe]

58. Good reason to try to live with integrity. Even with hindsight, that stands up.

Collaborating on a crime hoping to mitigate it does not.

[kenfrequed]

62. Nonsense

Powell should have known better than most that the rationalizations for war were bunk. So in that instance there was no 'hindsight'?

The only way thre was a 'hindsight' is if he had already rationalized the lies as being a necessary evil to attempting to 'fix' Iraq and do away with Saddam.

This too would have required an incredible amount of stupidity as every analyst worth their salt predicted a break down in Iraq along the three ethnic lines. A proper military officer would have asked what the source of the 'intelligence' was and how reliable it was. (which would have tipped anyone off to the weird independent sourcing that the VP had set up.)

Do I blame Powell? Yes. He was in a position to know better. If he thought the war was trumped up he should have resigned in protest. If he thought the war was inevitable but that he could improve the situation, then the results either spoke to his competence or his capacity to have impact. In this case of the former silence would do fine, if he felt captured or locked out of the decision making then, once more, he should have resigned.

[gravity]

No shit he knew that

He just thought that it was worth it to get the International community involved if we were going in no matter what, even if it involves lying. It was the lowpoint of his career, especially since he failed to accomplish what he set out for.

[kenfrequed]

85. Ok

But that just doesn't work out. He knowingly used obviously and provably flawed intelligence to try to get international support for a conflict that he should have known would not have resulted in a stable Iraq. The use of outright lies diminishes America in the international community, and it is idiotic to assume that other nations with their own intelligence services would be as gullible as the people who get all their information from Fox News.


Even if we had won the support of most of Europe and even a few middle eastern nations the results could not have changed. The three factions still would be squabbling for power and would not care how many nations would be involved. The involvement of other nations only provides cover for an idiotic war with little reason or need.

Powell was either a fool or a croney.

[gravity]

67. No shit he knew that

He just thought that it was worth it to get the International community involved if we were going in no matter what, even if it involves lying. It was the lowpoint of his career, especially since he failed to accomplish what he set out for.

[IChing]

89. What a bunch of crap ....."He just thought that it was worth it "

Amazing!! The gravity of your logic and concepts of morality
falls as fast as you name.

You still.........either don't get it
but I think you do,

And that who we are fighting.

[skepticscott]

76. What the freak does that mean??

What "hindsight" are you talking about? He LIED to the international community to get them to support a war for reasons he KNEW weren't valid. He knew before he gave the speech to the UN that what he was going to say was a lie, and he knew while he was saying it that it was a lie. What the f*ck does hindsight have to do with it??

[IChing]

49. "He attempted to get the international community involved" on

supporting the war that is hardly doing something.
Talk about revisionist history and GOP talking points.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2002/09/20/bush_ed3__2.php

http://www.counterpunch.org/cloughley09202003.html

[IChing]

44. So how did he "make the situation better" ?

This sound like an excuse used by the Nazis generals of WWII

[gravity]

52. Fuck Bush

He is the real criminal, along with Cheney, Rumsfield and the rest of the gang.

I'm just tired of all the criticism directed towards Powell, when he wasn't the architect of all this mess. If Powell has total control of foreign policy, I bet anything that he would have not been in Iraq.

While criticism of his actions is warranted, he just isn't on the some level as the other Bushies. That's all.

[IChing]

53. I'm tired of your revisionist history on Powell

And Your defense of him

[ProudDad]

78. He's the WORST of the co-conspiritors

He KNEW it was a tissue of lies and saluted, drew his sword and lied his fucking ass off.

If he had resigned instead, I doubt that there would have been an illegal invasion of Iraq.

But, it was not in his nature to display that kind of courage. He's been an ass-kisser from way back even before he was tasked to cover up the Mei Lei Massacre.

[Virginia Dare]

96. Agreed 100%...n/t

[disndat]

50. His son, Michael

was given a cushy job as head of the F.C.C> where he continued to dismantle that agency's public protection against the monopolization of the airways, began with the first Bush 43 administration. The right wing administrations of the two Bushes used Blacks to front for their worse assaults against the Constitution and the people of the U.S., starting with Clarence Thomas, the bobble head.

[ProudDad]

79. His son, Michael

is a SHIT of the lowest order.

michael powell makes even colon look better...

[lakercub]

84. Ummm...quitting would have been huge.

I tend to agree with you that we would still have gone to war. Bush had that in mind from the get-go (which, if Powell had any integrity at all, would have caused him to denounce Bush before the 00 election. Remember one of the reasons Bush got elected was people knew Powell would be part of the government.). However, if Powell had loudly resigned...John Kerry would have run away with the 04 election, and we would now be getting out of Iraq. Since Powell had credibility with the center, the center would have realized that Bush was a raving, unchecked madman. There is no way even the Swift-Boaters could have countered that.

Bush won in 04 because he still had much of the center. Without Powell, he would only have had his base. He wouldn't have had a prayer of winning...and his polls would have been deeeeeeep in the 30s already.

So the war still would probably have happened, but Bush's second term would not have...and there isn't much hindsight needed for that. A lot of wrongs would be in the process of being righted if Bush hadn't won in 04.

[libnnc]

27. He could have said, "I'll leave before I lie to the UN."

He could have divorced himself from those vipers a long, long time ago. Washed his hands of them.

Instead, he went along with deceiving the public.

[gravity]

dupe

[gravity]

29. And what will that accomplish?

There would just have been someone even worst in his place, who would have attacked without even giving a rat's ass about the UN, or diplomacy for the matter.

[Beelzebud]

33. Well for starters he'd still have a shred of credability left.

[libnnc]

34. Well, what good did Powell do at all?

What did he accomplish?

Except sealing his legacy as a useless, doormat...I can't think of one thing he did right.

Not to mention the FUBAR mess his son Michael made of the FCC...

[ProudDad]

80. The MSM would have HAD to pay attention to Colon

They ignored the tens of MILLIONS of people in the streets and the dozens of voices like Dennis Kucinich's, etc. who were telling it like it was.

Instead there was a chorus of "influential" pukes and Dems who were either part of the pro-invasion bandwagon or completely silent in their cowardice.

[Bluerthanblue]

68. shhh- you are not supposed to

interupt a "stomp on the stupid asshole "evildoer" thread" and ask for a less knee-jerk response.:evilgrin:

And you need to remember- if an "enemy" says something that actually makes sense for a change, and expresses something that we have been saying right along, we are to pretend that they have said something even worse than the total opposite of what we champion!

:sarcasm:


Powell has done MUCH to enable *- and he has not stood his ground on the occasions when his voice spoke reason to his f--d up administration. Seems like that is all some people will focus on- like there is no side to those who have been declared "the enemy"- that isn't BAD- and NOTHING- absolutely nothing will ever change that.

At least that is what i am seeing all too often on this board lately. And it is pretty discouraging, because i've been stupid enough to believe this party was actually "different"- Was actually a party that is INCLUSIVE- a place where people are encouraged to stop drinking the Kool-aid, to be open to change, insight, enlightenment and growth.

But perhaps all this really is, is nothing more than just another flavor of the same poison.
:shrug:

I'm not advocating sending him flowers, or inviting Powell to supper, but i sure welcome his voice in the public arena in support of closing down this hell-house- and would rather focus the attention on the truth in his statement RIGHT NOW- than look to undermine the words he speaks which are in harmony with "ours".


i'm weary of the ugly, angry, vindictive face of this screwed up sorry old world.

and all of us who feed off of it.

:thumbsdown:

[Virginia Dare]

95. Many people, especially moderates from both parties were..

persuaded that the Iraq invasion was correct after Powell's testimony. He was used for his good name and reputation, and as a result, it was trashed. I agree, FUCK HIM. He's a traitor to his country as far as I'm concerned for his failure to expose the lies. He KNEW it was a lie, and played along with the charade. The American people would have listened to him had he told the truth, and we WOULD NOT be where we are today.

[BootinUp]

31. Colin's error's in judgement are plenty

but I am still glad he made this statement on a national news show. We need more people like him to speak out like this.

[Beelzebud]

32. Colin Powell proved himself to be lieing scum just like the rest of them.

[zara]

37. Your bitterness is perfectly understandable.

Colin Powell had the stature and knowledge to make a difference.
He could have resigned and changed the course of the country.
But he genuflected to power, and chose loyalty to extremists over loyalty to country. Or perhaps, he mistook "country" as being the nuts who have been so good to his national reputation.
Just a tragic figure Powell, trying to wipe the mud off his clothes, with the same lack of success as Lady McBeth and her blood stained hands.

[librechik]

38. amen--Powell, the most constipated colon in the universe

3 years (and 3500 American deaths) between movements

[The Stranger]

47. Powell was fighting the Neocon blood lust while Libby was fomenting it.

Libby and Judith Miller were lusting for innocent blood whle they sent faux poetry to one another. They should bury Libby so deep in the pen that they would have to pipe sunshine to him.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

54. can we say : Remember Vietnam - Mi Lai? I LOATHE POWELL

[happygoluckytoyou]

55. I FORGIVE YOU COLIN... but here is the problem

UNFORTUNATELY THE FORGIVENESS YOU SEEK IS IN THE HANDS OF A MILLION DEAD AND DYING IRAQI, IN THE HANDS OF THOUSANDS OF DEAD AMERICANS, AND IN THE WORDS YOU SPOKE WHEN YOU WERE CALLED UPON TO TELL THE TRUTH

I AGREE WITH THIS EFFORT YOU ARE PUTTING FORTH... AND IF YOU SPEND THE REMAINDER OF YOUR LIFE IN SECLUSION, ... AND IF YOU DONATE YOUR FORTUNE IN A MOTHER TERESA STYLE OF ---SILENT--- REPENTING... AND IF THE SILLY BIBLE MUSEUM IS TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT GOD...

THEN YOU WILL FIND SOME PEACE




UNTIL THEN.... WE WHO HEARD AND TRUSTED YOU BEFORE WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD CRAWL THE FUCK BACK INTO YOUR HOLE AND SHUT UP

respectfully submitted
joe everyman

[happygoluckytoyou]

56. EVERY GREAT LIE ---- AND ONE OLD NEW RULE

every great lie has some stupid innocent ambituous lame front-man who actually thinks he is telling a truth, or is lying for "the greater good"

THE QUESTION IS WHY DO WE NOW GIVE A SHIT WHAT THAT LOSER OF A SHILL HAS TO SAY

HE HAS ALREADY PROVEN HIS INABILITY TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION

--------------------------NEW RULE.... FROM OCTOBER 20 2006........... BILL MAHER .....---------------------------------
--------------------------NEW RULE.... FROM OCTOBER 20 2006........... BILL MAHER .....---------------------------------
--------------------------NEW RULE.... FROM OCTOBER 20 2006........... BILL MAHER .....---------------------------------
--------------------------NEW RULE.... FROM OCTOBER 20 2006........... BILL MAHER .....---------------------------------
--------------------------NEW RULE.... FROM OCTOBER 20 2006........... BILL MAHER .....---------------------------------

And finally, New Rule, in two parts: A) You can't call yourself a think tank if all your ideas are stupid. And B), if you're someone from one of the think tanks that dreamed up the Iraq War, and who predicted that we'd be greeted as liberators, and that we wouldn't need a lot of troops, and that Iraqi oil would pay for the war, that the WMD's would be found, that the looting wasn't problematic, and the mission was accomplished, that the insurgency was in its last throes, that things would get better after the people voted, after the government was formed, after we got Saddam, after we got his kids, after we got Zarqawi, and that the whole bloody mess wouldn't turn into a civil war...you have to stop making predictions!

You know, there's a name for people who are always wrong about everything all the time: husbands. You know, it's a shame what happened to think tanks. They used to produce valuable, apolitical analysis. But partisanship crept into many of them. And the Bush Administration doesn't just come up with something as stupid as "If we leave now, they'll follow us home." No, they have someone from a think tank say it first. It's a way to lend respectability. The same reason a titty bar has food. I hear.

The think tanks that incubated the Iraq war have lofty names like the Heritage Foundation and the Project for a New American Century. Whatever. They've been wrong so often, I'm surprised they're not my broker. Richard Perle thought we could win Iraq with 40,000 troops. Paul Wolfowitz predicted, in 2003, that within a year, the grateful people of Baghdad would name some grand square in their fine city after President Bush. And he was right when he said they'd be waving American flags. They were on fire.

William Kristol pooh-poohed the fears that Sunnis and Shiites would be at each others' throats, as "the stuff of pop psychology." Right. And having your head chopped off is just a quick way to drop 11 pounds. Kristol, of course, is revered by much of the right because he was Dan Quayle's chief of staff, and was known as "Quayle's Brain." You know that. Which sounded impressive until I remembered Dan Quayle didn't have a brain.

And now, Mr. Kristol proposes immediate military action against Iran, predicting the Iranians will thank us for it. Hey, you know what, Nostrodamus? Why don't you sit this one out?

We'll get by using the Magic Eight Ball for a while. Because you guys have been so wrong about so much for so long, people are actually turning to the Democrats. So, we can say Iraq was a noble experiment, if that helps you. Our intention was good: to penetrate Iraq and bring it to a glorious, euphoric climax. But it's clear now that's just not going to happen. And yet we're still pounding away.

Causing the whole area to become painfully inflamed. And in that situation, the kindest thing you can do is...just pull out.

[The M Double]

69. Great post

... Well done

[I_Make_Mistakes]

57. I gotta agree! I think I need one point of clarification from DU,

where physically was the OSP located? I think it integral to the "I visited the CIA, several times that week!"., argument. The RW lie by omission, the full truth would put them away!

We need to learn to think like them (I know, I have no way of understanding their rationale, but until we do (they do it in testimony of the Hill)), we will always be left scratching our heads!

[colorado_ufo]

59. Colin Powell acts like a man who is very worried about his soul

and hopes he find somone - anyone - here on earth to forgive him. If he can, then maybe he thinks he can leverage a little forgiveness from Heaven.

[LSK]

61. Colins interview seemed like a mixed bag

He still seemed to hold the party line regarding Iraq and WMD to some extent. I dont recall him or Russert talking about the inspectors that were on the ground in 2003.

What he said about Gitmo was spot on thou.

Interesting that he might support a Dem for president this time around.

[Broadslidin]

63. Slick Powell is Simply Fishing Around for A Bit More Fast and Easy Cash.

Tis the "Powell Doctrine".

[Gadzooks1]

64. Fuck you colin powell

I second! I got so God-damned angry whenever I heard anyone refer to powell as "an honorable man" or a "man of integrity." I'm an old s.o.b. and a Viet Nam veteran, and I remember powell's first political assignment...stonewall the investigation into and cover up the My Lai massacre. The man is a sycophantic scumbag and a self-serving piece of shit. Get cancer, colin. Die a protracted, painful and ugly death.

[tnlefty]

65. Welcome to DU, Gadzooks1!

And thank you for your service! :hi:

[graywarrior]

66. We're in this mess mainly because of him.

He's a liar. A

L I A R !

[triguy46]

70. He has been given a free pass...

As a result, he can play both ends against the middle. He can craft the war, but then make vague excuses and rationalizations. Nothing sticks to him.

[Lint Head]

71. He is one of the pricks that is responsible for the

unnecessary deaths of thousands of human beings. These jerks are cornered and realizing they are being outed. How cynical can these sons of a bitches be? Apparently cynical and patronizing enough to the convince people to die for them.:dem:

[moondust]

72. He belongs in prison.

Not on the tee vee.

[orleans]

75. exactly! why the FUCK aren't any of these LYING ASSHOLES IN JAIL?

HOW DARE THEY GET AWAY WITH LYING TO US LIKE THAT!!!

[The Count]

73. When he held that vial at the UN (pic included)), he KNEW he was lying

as he said a year prior to that that Saddam had no WMD left
That should silence any defenders.

[vickitulsa]

74. YES, that photo says it all.

What I blame Powell for most is that I feel he convinced AMERICANS that the war was necessary.

Not the international community, which knew better and could see the propaganda coming out of the White House for what it was all along.

It was the citizens of the United States who were uncertain that going to war in Iraq was necessary that were swung over to back it thanks to that UN speech by Colin Powell.

Hell, he almost convinced me, and I didn't even have respect for him because I knew about his history in the My Lai massacre cover-up!

I do believe that if Colin Powell in his top position at the time had resigned in protest to what the Bu$h Cabal was trying to do in Iraq and then put his full weight behind those fighting against the insane invasion under false pretenses, it is very likely that the American public would have believed him on that as they believed him at the UN.

And that could have made all the difference.

[emilyg]

77. I believed in this man.

He let us down. glad to echo F*y

[Disturbed]

82. Powell is trying to garner a shred of credibility.

Only the truly ignorant will buy into his attempt.

[samsingh]

86. i agree with you.

powell is scum. his resignation in the 2001 timeframe would likely have stopped bush in his tracks.

[opihimoimoi]

87. TOO LITTLE TOO LATE to clean up his act.....HE GOT BLOOD ON HIZ HANDS

[Mnpaul]

88. Powell is nothing but a Repub Bagman

He lied about My Lai

He couldn't recall Iran/Contra - until someone came forward with notes detailing the events

He lied us into this war

[Virginia Dare]

97. He's a tool of the Bush family going way back in his career..

and he and his family have been rewarded accordingly and quite nicely. Hopefully what he has done to his beloved Army and to this country eats at his soul every single day.

Welcome to DU!!!

[cyclezealot]

90. I understand, he is slow to grow a conscious.

Yet, did I hear him say on CNN yesterday, that he might not necessarily support a Republican in 2008. Late converts, are better than never getting a conscious at all. In part I do try to remember as I make excuses for him , he was sort of in a trap.

[Decruiter]

91. Amen, and nothing more be said. n/t

[Disturbed]

92. Forgive those who tresspass against us."

I am not there yet, even though Jesus may be.

[Decruiter]

94. We are not either. How do you help? How do you make a difference?

How do we stop the madness? Good God, there has to be some way, but we fail every time.