**** Official U.S. Senate Gonzales No Confidence Debate Thread ****

[L. Coyote]

TRENT LOTT:

"I don't recall anything of this nature beiong proposed before."

..."This is not the British Parliment...Are we going to bing the President hereand have a questioning period."

"The ability of a cabinet member to perform or not to perform is in the eyes of the beholder."

C-SPAN 2 now. I just tuned in after getting an earful about Bush stealing oil from Danish visitors.

What has been happening?

[Patsy Stone]

1. He stole that from Orrin

who was spewing hot air and bluster earlier. Bleccch.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

2. basically he says debate is a waste of time.

stupid puke

[Bluebear]

3. Lott: 'This is a very disappointing "spectre" here today.' Or did he mean Arlen?

[herbbrown]

4. Trent says Att Gen

just doing a dandy job!

[rusty charly]

10. doing a dandy job... OF LYING!

[malaise]

5. The gang is sure defending Bush

no discussion re Gonzo. Man these rethugs can circle wagons.

[malaise]

16. Nail them Chuckie

not one will publicly support Gonzo.

[SpiralHawk]

6. So what if I'm an anti-American republicon toady?" - Gonzo

"You proles need to get it through your heads that republicon cronies are special

So just shut up and sit down while we lie to you and steal your money and your democracy

Republicons are above the law, so tough shit America Smirk, smirk, Smirk" - Gonzo

[Rex]

7. Thats okay Trent, no one would have predicted your party would steal

the 2000 elections. We are all about making history now! Here in Merkia! Suck it up!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. Hutchison up

using the old they "serve at the pleasure of the president' line.

also says this is a waste of time.

[Bluebear]

9. Kay Bailey: Why wouldn't we be talking about immigration or energy today?

Why wouldn't you have stopped your boy king's agenda for 6 years?

[Bluebear]

12. "Many say Janet Reno acted too fast. No Republicans ran to the floor with no confidence votes!"

Dirty pool.

[tridim]

20. Or non-sequitur pool.

Fucking idiots. I hate all Republics.

[herbbrown]

11. Att Gen Gonzalez

was doing nothing but "Pleasuring the President"!

[cascadiance]

25. SOMEONE had to do it if Jeff Gannon wasn't available! :)

I wonder if Gonzo wears a wig! :)

[L. Coyote]

13. Sen. Kay Baiey Hutchinson (R-TX), quail hunter abd Bush buddy

"We all want to brin gasoline prices down."

"Branch Davidian...people died." Oh yeah, drag in Janet Reno.

Where's the BEEF?

[Rex]

15. They bring up the few things anyone could hold against Dems,

while their 'list' is far too long to cover in just one hour. :eyes:

Kay cares about bringing gas prices down. Honest. :eyes:

[dogday]

29. She has received over 1, 250,000 from Oil lobbyist

you know where her loyalties are.... One of my crappy Senators... The other is just as bad with over 800,000 received as well.....

[Trouser Trout]

14. Kay is a Whore; Schumer up setting the record straight n/t

[L. Coyote]

17. Sen. Charles Schumer

"They know the AG has failed miserably in his job." WOW. He's nailing it. They did not utter a single supportive comment.

"The rule of law is too sacred." too important.. AG contradict himself time after time after time....

"This is a major scandal, a major... series of inappropraite behaviors by a Cabinet officer."

In 19 minutes of speeched ther Republicans did not utter one word of support

"It rises to the highest calling of the Senate to ensure rule of law." "The nation has been shocked by what he has done."

"John Ashcroft threatened to resign..."

"We have a sacred, noble obligation in this country to uphold the rule of law."

[DemReadingDU]

19. Schumer didn't hear any Republicans

No Republicans said they had confidence in Gonzales

[EVDebs]

18. If Gonzo survives this vote just think of how futher EMBOLDENED * & Co will be....

R's 'blind loyalty' and no loyalty to the Constitution at all.

Republicans be warned: there will be a political consequence for this.

With 18 more months to go...IT WILL GET WORSE.

[L. Coyote]

21. Schumer was truly impressive, and100% right.

[L. Coyote]

22. Sen.Claire McCASKILL Senate should vote unanimously ...

[LuckyLib]

23. Repugs are arguing about whether the topic should be debated --

not at all that there is no merit to the criticism of Gonzo. Poor fools.

[GOTV]

27. Well then, let them vote for cloture and end the debate n/t

[BootinUp]

24. Sen. Whitehouse doing a good job

of laying waste to Gonzo.

[malaise]

26. Great job indeed

He's laying it out nicely.

[spotbird]

28. Truth and justice should be the stars

that guide the DoJ.

Time honored institutions have been dishonored.

Political AG's

Circumvented confirmation process

WH involved in prosecutorial decisions

Career attorneys are now politicized

USAs were left in place, now they are replaced.

WH counsel chastising USA about mishandling a case.

Invention of position of WH liaison.

Definition of improper now same as obstruction of justice.

Half truths and obfuscations. AG

Long list of lie...repeats NOT TRUE.



I ABSOLUTELY LOVE WHITEHOUSE. Can he be cloned.

[L. Coyote]

30. Now we are getting to the real BEEF. The list is long. Sen. Whitehouse

sounds like a prosecutor of an impeachment.

"almost unbelievable series of half-truths and obfuscations."

Now the list of untruths by Gonzales. Another long list: "not true" "not true" "not true"

How can he run the FBI when the FBI had to be warned about him? Good one.

Bushco "trying to exit Washington without further indictments"

Impressive indictment!

[DemReadingDU]

32. Whitehouse was excellent!

[L. Coyote]

38. Sen. Harry Reid "another arm of the Karl Rove political machine"

"But for the Justice Department" the civil rights movement would not have the advanced they did. GREAT

"Now the Justice Department is but another arm of the Karl Rove political machine."

[dogday]

31. Reid is upset that the rethugs are attacking Schumer

instead of debating the bill....

[herbbrown]

33. Is Harry Reid an idiot?

I don't see why he's even dignifying the Republicans bogus remarks, IMHO.

[dogday]

36. He needs to bring it to the public what they

are doing... No better way to do it than to get on their asses on CSPAN....

[Toots]

34. Trent: I don't recall anything of this nature

Do Republicans ever recall anything?

[blondeatlast]

40. To my knowledge, not since Watergate. I was too young to remember before that. nt

[L. Coyote]

47. Just what we needed, one more Republican "I do not recall" RICH catch that!

How can you argue with another "I do not recall" except to say, "Thanks for the capstone, dude." :rofl:

[dogday]

35. Leahy is now taking up for Schumer

talking about how many roadblocks and obstacles were put in his way...

[BootinUp]

37. Reid: Justice Department is colorblind...

Talks about the history of the civil rights movement

but under this Attorney General it has lost its way

[Gregorian]

39. Reid- There wasn't a Democratic DOJ or a Republican DOJ.

"Now the justice department is just another arm of the Karl Rove (something)..."

Holy crap. He nailed it.

[blondeatlast]

41. Go, Harry, GO! Excellent! nt

[L. Coyote]

42. Sen. Harry Reid "undermined the rule of law" "one of the masters of torture in our country"

"U. S. attorneys were fired for partisan political purposes."

Gonzales couldn't even say why he was fired.

"His lack of memory was astounding" forgetfuness feighned

Gonzales deserves to be fired, guilty of gross negligence,

"undermined the rule of law"

"illegal surveillance program"

"one of the masters of torture in our country"

[Viva_La_Revolution]

43. roll call vote now

60 votes are needed to move forward on the motion to proceed to the Gonzales 'No-Confidence' res.

[BootinUp]

44. Looks like the repukes all ran away.

[blondeatlast]

48. I caught a glimpse on C-Span online, seems very empty now. nt

[blogslut]

46. So, they're calling the roll, right?

They're not voting to bring the resolution to the floor yet, right?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

49. voting to end debate

only about 20 ayes so far. not good :(

[blogslut]

52. ahh thanks

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Man, I hope this passes. n/t

[malaise]

50. Same here

If MSM was interested in the Constitution and not Bushco and their fellow corporations, this vote would be carried live on every station and discussed re law and not talking points spin by Rethug hacks..


Add.

[L. Coyote]

51. Nine R votes needed, or 60 yes, to move forward.

[herbbrown]

57. How will Joe mentum vote?

[BootinUp]

61. He's a torture fan I think

Gonzo's his man I think.

[herbbrown]

64. so then we need 11 R's

I think it's dead unfotunately.

[blondeatlast]

53. Hell yes, but I'm not optimistic. I believe it requires 60 votes.

Still, this is a good way to flex Dem muscle.

[BootinUp]

55. Collins (R) Maine just voted aye

Thats a good sign.

[blondeatlast]

58. Maine is kinda blue, is it not? (MInd that I'm in AZ) nt

[ekelly]

56. I just got home

Any R yes votes yet?

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

69. Only 28 Votes Short As Of Now

Doesn't look good.

[ralps]

54. Susan Collins Aye!!!

[Trouser Trout]

59. I heard that! Is she the only one so far? n/t

[ralps]

62. I think there have been other Repukes voting aye

:shrug:

[ralps]

60. Kohl, Casey Aye

[BootinUp]

68. Hagel aye

Its going to be close.

[trashcanistanista]

71. Hagel, Aye

Dorgan Aye, Brown Aye,

[Gregorian]

63. What goes on in the head of a no voter?

It's treason if I may say so. A politicized DOJ.

How dare they!

I'm really anxious over this vote. It seems like a bellwether.

[malaise]

72. These fugging Rethugs

are shameless. Power matters before the Law.

[blondeatlast]

73. Should NOT be politically risky for Dems, either. I don't see this vote

being trotted out at re-election time, unlike the occupation funding vote.

[jannyk]

65. Smith Aye

[ralps]

66. Hagel Aye

[Viva_La_Revolution]

67. Hagel - Aye

[TwilightGardener]

74. You go, Chuckie!

[babylonsister]

70. Hagel - aye. nt

[malaise]

79. Assuming Lieberman votes with the Dems

and all Dems vote yes, is that 54 now?

[babylonsister]

91. I'm not counting and DH just turned on local, so I need to get my

info from here.:(

[jannyk]

75. Here comes Snow - Aye!!

[jannyk]

77. 2 Nelsons Aye

[TwilightGardener]

78. Sounds like the usual (sane, rational moderate) GOP suspects.

[ralps]

Olympia Snowe Aye

[Gregorian]

76. Like they even needed to call for Kennedy and Wyden.

haha.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

80. 18 More Needed For Cloture

That's what I have as of now.

[Gregorian]

83. 14

[dogday]

85. Specter votes aye!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

81. 14 More Needed For Cloture

[ralps]

82. Pryor, Salazar, Menendez, Lincoln Specter, Coleman, Kerry Aye

[jannyk]

84. We just got Specter - aye.

[blondeatlast]

88. I had a feeling he would; no love for the Bushies and not likely to run again. nt

[TwilightGardener]

89. Good for him! Found his nutsack for once!

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

86. 10 More Needed For Cloture...I Think

[Gregorian]

87. Ten more to go! (not positively certain)

[jannyk]

90. I can see Liebershit - has he voted yet?

[trashcanistanista]

92. Just voted NO!

BASTARD!!!!!

[jannyk]

104. I just heard it and I want him gone!!! I want him to declare

himself a Republican and have done with it. I hate him and want the Dems to drop him like a brick!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

just voted no

why am I not surprised? :mad:

[KAZ]

95. Votes no.

I'm done with the fucker.

[BlueStater]

102. Will he do the right thing FOR ONCE...

...or will he reach a new level of jerkoff?

[ralps]

93. Lieberman NO GRRRRRRR

:grr:

[BootinUp]

True to form, what an asshole.

[blondeatlast]

98. Fuck Bert the Turtle. Opportunistic, lowlife batard. nt

[dogday]

100. Anyone surprised by this POS's vote?

[BlueStater]

111. Maybe a little

He feels very strongly about the Iraq war so he'll clearly vote against anything that will end it any time sooner. But this doesn't even have anything to do with Iraq. Lieberwuss has just shown what fucking corrupt piece of shit he is. Let the Republicans have him.

I can't believe this assmunch almost became Vice Preisdent. It's also why I question Gore's political judgment and don't see him as the savior that so many here do.

[BootinUp]

119. He supports Gonzo's torture policy. n/t

[dogday]

121. I will say it seems as though Lieberman

has leaned so far to the right, he is actually a rethug, but wants to maintain his committee power, so we get to caucus with his lousy ass...

[sandyd921]

134. LIARMAN MUST GO!

It's time for the Dems to dump him! :nuke: him!

:mad: :puke: :grr:

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

94. 7 More Needed For Cloture

[Gregorian]

96. Lieberwhore!

[BigBearJohn]

97. FUCKING LIEBERMAN VOTED ((( NO )))

[malaise]

106. He voted no

that fucker.

[KAZ]

129. Coleman voted aye for Christ's sake. And this fucking Puke in

Dem's clothing votes no? Cut the POS loose now! Who the fuck needs him.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

99. Voting Over....No Cloture

[blondeatlast]

105. Shit--anyone have a count yet? (I can't watch, sadly). nt

[ralps]

101. Yays 53, Nays 38, I think

:grr:

[salin]

114. that leaves 7 not voting

98 senators able to vote (Sen Johnson isn't yet back.) So who didn't vote?

[jannyk]

126. I didn't hear McCain's name called - wouldn't surprise me

he'smissed almost every important vote since he started campaigning. Funny, didn't hear Obama either.....

[Viva_La_Revolution]

103. 53

not enough

[in_cog_ni_to]

107. FUCK, FUCK, FUCK! I am so sick of this shit I could spit nails! Why can't the Dems do anything right

:grr:

[KAZ]

112. Why the fuck do you blame the Dems on this?

Except for that asshole from Conn., I'm not getting you.

[salin]

120. and he's not a dem - he ran on this own ticket "Connecticut for Lieberman"

also known as Senator I Conn (and con he did/does.)

[KAZ]

124. Yeah, you're right. But the asshole caucuses with us...

.. he should have ayed this vote. He needs to be seriously smacked by our leadership. Like a punch in his fucking ugly face. Sorry, I'm angry.

[BlueStater]

127. You're right

I've had it with the little worm's pathetic threats. Let the fuckhead become a Republican already. I don't give a shit anymore. It's not like we're accomplishing anything with him on "our side".

[Seedersandleechers]

131. Conn dems who voted for lieberman: How do you sleep at night?

[salin]

133. they won't - they are afraid he will go caucus with the repubs

and tilt the power in the senate away from Dem control. So he gets to be a petulant rwinger.

Can't help but wish some corporation would offer him a sweetheart deal so he would retire early to go make the big bucks in corporate america.

Maybe he is trying to "prove" himself to the admin so that *he* could replace the AG.

[blondeatlast]

122. Sounds like a virtual party line vote to me; can you explain this? nt

[pinto]

132. We have 49 Senators. What did we do wrong?

[Gregorian]

108. Nobody's home in America. Turn off the lights.

Am I being overly histrionic? Prolly. But it sucks letting the fascists have their ways.

[L. Coyote]

109. This is a VICTORY with 53 Yea. And we have a nice list of who to defeat too!

Drip, drip, drip, and we definitely have Rs saying they have NO confidence in Gonzolies.

[blondeatlast]

118. I'm waiting to see how the media will spin this as a Dem failure, regardless of

the overwhelmingly (apparently) Dem vote and the crossovers as well.

Heads are exploding in CNN's Washington bureau as we speak.

[KAZ]

135. Media? How about DUers. Check a few lines up.

[kansasblue]

110. Any hear Ben Nelson (D-NE) vote? nt

[jannyk]

113. See post 77. Both Nelsons - Aye nt

[BootinUp]

115. I believe it was aye.

[Seedersandleechers]

117. He voted yes

[BlueStater]

123. Even red-state Nelson voted Aye

Lieberman truly is the biggest prick in the entire senate.

[BootinUp]

125. I can hear him now

going on about the partisan atmosphere....

[TwilightGardener]

130. Yup--Nebraska's ultra-conservative GOPer and conservative Dem

managed to out-progressive CT--how proud they must be of Holy Joe!

[L. Coyote]

116. I can't wait for the YouTube soundbites. This is going to be RICH, RICH, RICH ...

[L. Coyote]

128. Best line: "We have a sacred, noble obligation in this country to uphold the rule of law."

They really got in some great zingers for a debate on moving forward with debate.

[cascadiance]

136. So WHICH Dems voted NO or didn't vote?!!!

I demand to know!

We already know that Liebershite voted no!. That leaves 50 votes.

We know that we are missing a vote from South Dakota who's not there for legitimate reasons. That leaves 49 votes.

We know we picked up 7 Republican votes. That's a potential 56 votes!

Therefore there are THREE Democrats that either didn't vote or voted NO! I want to know WHO we should be excommunicating from our party soon for supporting an enabler of getting rid of habeas corpus!

WHO ARE THEY?

[cosmicdot]

137. here's the roll call vote

00207 11-Jun On the Cloture Motion Rejected Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to the Consideration of S.J.Res.14; A joint resolution expressing the sense of the Senate that Attorney General Alberto Gonzales no longer holds the confidence of the Senate and of the American people.

U.S. Senate Roll Call Votes 110th Congress - 1st Session

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to the Consideration of S.J.Res.14 )
Vote Number: 207 Vote Date: June 11, 2007, 05:55 PM
Required For Majority: 3/5 Vote Result: Cloture Motion Rejected
Vote Counts: YEAs 53
NAYs 38
Present 1
Not Voting 7

YEAs ---53

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lincoln (D-AR)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Sununu (R-NH)
Tester (D-MT)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---38

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Cochran (R-MS)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

Present - 1
Stevens (R-AK)

Not Voting - 7

Biden (D-DE)
Brownback (R-KS)
Coburn (R-OK)
Dodd (D-CT)
Johnson (D-SD)
McCain (R-AZ)
Obama (D-IL)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00207

[L. Coyote]

138. Running for President seventeen months before the election is more important

than conducting the business of the Senate, it seems.

Why should we support any Presidential candidate that is not doing the job they already have?

[Tatiana]

139. Biden, Dodd, and Obama have some explaining to do.

McCain - well, he's been a no-show for most of the year.