Sorry Obama

[malaise]

You can't reach out to war criminals and expect support from progressives. It may be politically expedient, but that was a serious mistake.

[hedgehog]

1. ?

[David Dunham]

2. What war criminal?

[Bluebear]

3. THIS one >>>>>

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Did he reach out to Hillary Clinton?

:hide:

[malaise]

7. I'm a Gore, Kucinich and Gravel supporter

down with dynasties. Obama is no progressive.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Dynasties?

You're aware that Al Gore senior was both a representative and a senator? Just checking.

[malaise]

18. I am abut neither his father nor his spouse

were President - 12 years of Bushes and eight years of Clintons is enough.

Is he from teh Political Class - sadly yes but at least he's taking on the system.

[Bullet1987]

48. Sorry to break it to you...

but Mr. NAFTA Al Gore is no Progressive. He's DLC...and refuses to acknowledge the wrongs of free trade.

[hedgehog]

5. 1. Do you happen to have access to the number of Americans who believed

Bush's charge that Saddam was holding WMD at the time of Powell's testimony.

2. How many of them can we write off and still expect to win the White House in 2008?

[spoony]

9. I didn't think Powell was "one of them"

at the time. Didn't believe that his presentation justified war, of course, but I admit I found him credible. It was a big wake up call about the way the whole government goes about its "intelligence" work.

[hedgehog]

13. We make be talking at cross purposes to say the same thing.

My point is that lots of Americans were fooled by Bush, including Powell. We need their votes to win in 2008.

[spoony]

16. Yes, definitely

Dunno if Powell was himself fooled, one would think he'd be in a position to know better, but I agree with you about the voters.

[desi]

46. Was he credible at the UN

or here?

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-rice-wmd.wmv

Source: http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

6. Oh God.

:eyes:

[Hamlette]

8. I'm guessing a Kucinich supporter?

there are at least 3 threads on this here, each one more santimonious than the other.

Let's not talk to people who think differently than we do. Let's only talk amongst ourselves and hope Saint Ralph will save us in 2008 so we don't have to vote for people who are not virgins.

[Bluebear]

10. Was Jimmy Carter not available for advice? madeleine Albright?

Why would Obama seek out Colin frigging Powell for foreign policy advice? I'm curious too.

[KittyWampus]

15. Do you know who else Obama has spoken to? What? You have no idea? Figured as much

Oh, and who is actually helping Obama craft his foreign policies?

Who is actually on his team?

Cause all I heard is he SPOKE to Powell, not that Powell is on his team.

[Bluebear]

20. You know, as an aside, your posting style is totally obnoxious.

Someone asks a legitimate question and you start with the "What? You have no idea? Figured as much"

What are you, 12?

[Hamlette]

24. as much as I hate to get in the middle of this, yours was not a "legitimate" question n/t

[Bluebear]

25. Oh, what questions are legitimate to you?

[Hamlette]

40. non rhetorical questions

we all know Carter and Albright were "available".

[Hamlette]

23. since when is talking to the other side wrong?

don't you think we should talk to Iran? North Korea? Aren't those guys evil? Are you afraid Obama is so weak he'll turn into Dick Cheney if he spends an hour with Powell?

You don't see any value what so ever in knowing what the "enemy" is doing or did? Was he convicted of being a war criminal? Might he know something Carter does not know? Aren't you curious about anything Powell might have to say? I am. Will it change my mind...maybe. Will it turn me into a war criminal? Heavens no. Might he help figure out what the hell we do with this mess Bush has left us with? Maybe. Worth my time to find out? Sure. Does it make me evil? You Dennis guys apparently think so.

I think saying TALKING to Powell turns anyone into the enemy...unless you already thought he was.

[Bluebear]

26. "You Dennis guys apparently think so." - I am not a "Dennis guy"

[Straight Shooter]

47. Obama sought out Colin because Colin is slick and cunning.

Colin also came close to running for president, so he's got good inside info and allies we've probably never even heard of.

Or maybe Colin sought out Obama ...?

I really don't know enough to say whether it's good or bad that Colin is helping a brother, because that's what I think it comes down to, but it does seem to me that Obama is dancing with the devil, here.

[malaise]

12. Colin Powell is a war criminal n/t

[ChiciB1]

30. He's BEEN A War Criminal For Longer Than Some Here Have Been

LIVING! I'm not in the mood to do the research, but perhaps one might Google information about him way back during Viet Nam! Say, maybe My Lai??? My spelling may be incorrect at this late date... but I recall living through that time!

Got very little sleep last night (2 hours at best) and I'm hitting the hay!!

I KNOW there MUST many others here at DU who know about Powell from a very long time ago. And if I said it once, I've said it more time than I like to remember.... POWELL should have AND could have blown the lid off this facade many many years ago. Like at least 4 I know of LATELY!!

He has some VERY VERY dirty hands!! Sorry, I'm no racist... but to me POWELL just hangs around here and there and "comes out" when he feels it's to his benefit! Been doing for decades!!

[Mind_your_head]

49. You're right!!!

Know/learn the HISTORY....and then one won't be fooled (again).

[Solly Mack]

11. Trust me on this...people will rationalize away Powell's role

If Gonzales resigned tomorrow and spoke out against Bush - some people would fall over themselves trumpeting the Torture Czars redemption

[KittyWampus]

19. One doesn't need to rationalize to not hate Obama for SPEAKING to Powell. BTW, where did this report

come from?

Is it even true?

Did you check?

Who does Obama actually have on his foreign policy team advising him?

[Solly Mack]

21. The story was in the news...Obama hasn't said either way

however, none of that changes anything I said

People WILL rationalize away Powell's role...wouldn't matter who he talked with or not...people will still rationalize away his criminal lying and full complicity.

[Bluebear]

28. You said it. nt

[malaise]

31. 100% correct

but I won't

[gravity]

35. People rationalize Powell's role both ways

[Solly Mack]

37. LOL

LMAO

Wheeee

Got any little vials to go with that statement? Maybe some diagrams?

LMAO

[Gregorian]

17. I can find something seriously wrong with almost every candidate.

I just had to mention that. It's not really in response to your post.

And the one candidate I have no problem with, America would never elect.

Life sucks.

[Nimrod2005]

22. Who what where???????????????

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. I agree. If he is in consultation with Powell, that is a VERY, VERY, VERY stupid move on his part.

JMCPO.

[malaise]

32. That's all I'm saying

I am not picking a fight with anyone.

[seemslikeadream]

29. Did you ask your friend Colin how Haiti was doing?

[dogday]

33. Colin Powell lied to the American Public

just as sure as he stood face to face with us with his little vial of white powder and graphic renderings.... How can he trust anything this man has to say?

[Bluebear]

34. A visual aid:

[Solly Mack]

39. Oh no, Bluebear...doncha know..Poor man was fooled!

Bush hoodwinked him! Powell was an innocent honorable man who just wanted to believe his President.

LMAO

Bush fooled Powell.

Which, if it were true, would make Powell an idiot.

snicker

[Terri S]

36. Was it stupid for Nancy Pelosi to talk to Syria?

Do we only talk to people who will tell us what we want to hear? Do we not talk to everyone? Sounds like leadership qualities to me, unlike * who will only listen to people who agree with him. Sorry, I don't even understand this. A competent leader talks to everyone .. and I mean everyone. They don't put them on their staff, but they sure as hell get all the facts from all sides. How else does one make a competent decision about anything?

Or would you prefer he act like *, only talk to people who agree with him??

Malaise, I understand where you are coming from, I really do, but surely you see what I'm saying here... ? I don't know what report this was, or what it said, but if he's talking to a man who was intimately involved with all the discussions in the run-up to the war, and beyond, surely that information, especially from someone who was never a * insider, is something a competent leader would want to do. No?

[Grandrose]

38. Are progressives so close minded?

Sen. Obama should take council from anyone he wishes, especially from a unhappy Bush insider!!
Knowledge is power...no matter the source. :think:

[Solly Mack]

42. So I guess that makes Powell "intellectual reparations" then?

[IChing]

41. "Lucy, You Got Some Explaining To Do".

Obama is on my shit-list for a while.

Missing the vote and talking to Colin twice.

[malaise]

43. Bingo n/t

[snappyturtle]

44. You betcha! After the UN speech I remember reading that Colin

told Tenet that if he (colin) was expected to do what he did, obviously convincingly enough, to the UN, then Tenet had to be there in the hearing sitting right behind Colin. Colin knew full well what he was doing and I'll never forgive him for that and for that reason cannot see any value of Obama talking with him. It just doesn't seem to serve any purpose. If Obama is all that curious, surely he can wait and talk to Colin after the election.

[MasonJar]

45. On Countdown tonight, one of the intelligence officers said that he

told Powell to take the labs out, but Powell did not. Powell's excuse: it was the day before the speech. Maybe he should have postponed the speech indefinitely.