How Much Did I Liar Libby Get Paid For Getting Marc Rich His Pardon?

[Me.]

Just wondering what the going rate is?

[MannyGoldstein]

1. Dunno. But How Much Clinton Got Should Be Public Record. n/t

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2. Marc Rich, the IranContra-BCCI figure who corpmedia and WH said was just a tax evader?

THAT Marc Rich?

[Me.]

4. The Very n/t

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6. Why, who would have thought?

Thanks so much for asking the question. I have PLENTY of questions, myself. Like - why on earth would ANY Democrat let Poppy Bush get a pass on anything, let alone severe crimes of office?



http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

[Me.]

7. As For Questions

How about those pardons for the Iran Contra criminals? The thuglicans are pretty big on pardons, starting with Nixon.

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9. And why on earth would Bill Clinton pardon ANOTHER IranContra figure and tell us

he was just a tax evader?

And the hypocritical Republicans knew damn well Rich was an IranContra figure, but played the whole thing out to get Democrats to support the pardon because we were invested for so long in defending BILL.

[Patsy Stone]

11. From FindLaw

http://fl1.findlaw.com/news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/clinton/pardonrpt/

This is a House Committee Report, from 2002, explaining Clinton's "abuse" of the pardon in relation to Marc Rich. It's really long, and I just searched the first chapter for Libby, but it does provide some (admittedly partisan) background about how he got into the case and what they say he did wrt Rich's case.

They were after Clinton for this when Denise Rich contributed to Hillary's Senate campaign and, of course, because of the Clenis. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1196763.stm

And they're still on her about it: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/02/28/pardons_reemerge_as_issue_in_clinton_run/

Here's another article from Time: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99302,00.html

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12. All a SMOKESCREEN because they knew damn well the Dems would revolt if

people connected Rich to IranContra and BCCI. so they turned him, with the help of the media, into Marc Rich the tax evader, and used his wife's hyped connection to DISTRACT from the REAL storyline - Clinton was helping Poppy Bush by pardoning another crucial IranContra-BCCI figure.

Clinton HAD to know - the BCCI report was on his desk when he took office.


16. INVESTIGATIONS OF BCCI TO DATE REMAIN INCOMPLETE, AND MANY LEADS CANNOT BE FOLLOWED UP, AS THE RESULT OF DOCUMENTS BEING WITHHELD FROM US INVESTIGATORS BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT, AND DOCUMENTS AND WITNESSES BEING WITHHELD FROM US INVESTIGATORS BY THE GOVERNMENT OF ABU DHABI.

Many of the specific criminal transactions engaged in by BCCI's customers remain hidden from investigation as the result of bank secrecy laws in many jurisdictions, British national security laws, and the holding of key witnesses and documents by the Government of Abu Dhabi. Documents pertaining to BCCI's use to finance terrorism, to assist the builders of a Pakistani nuclear bomb, to finance Iranian arms deals, and related matters have been sealed in the United Kingdom by British intelligence and remain unavailable to U.S. investigators. Many other basic matters pertaining to BCCI's criminality, including any list that may exist of BCCI's political payoffs and bribes, remain sequestered in Abu Dhabi and unavailable to U.S. investigators.

Many investigative leads remain to be explored, but cannot be answered with devoting substantial additional sources that to date no agency of government has been in a position to provide.

Unanswered questions include, but are not limited to, the relationship between BCCI and the Banco Nazionale del Lavoro; the alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI; the extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program; BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada; BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family; BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Sarkenalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers; the use of BCCI by central figures in the alleged "October Surprise," BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London; its involvement with foreign intelligence agencies; the financial dealingst of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States; BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich; the nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of other major U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures; the nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI; the sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et Placement in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others.


The withholding of documents and witnesses from U.S. investigators by the Government of Abu Dhabi threatens vital U.S. foreign policy, anti-narcotics and money laundering, and law enforcement interests, and should not be tolerated.

[Venus Dog]

3. "I Liar Libby"

That's great!

And thanks for bringing this up - the media no longer talk about him when it use to be 24/7 back in Jan 2001. Could Marc Rich possibly have ANYTHING to do with what's been going on for the last 7 horrific years? Hmmm!

Calling Marc Rich?

[Me.]

5. 'I Liar Libby'

was penned by H20Man. Good huh?

[Venus Dog]

8. Kudos to H2OMan for that!

I just dug up this old article from CNN, March 2, 2001 - it brings back bad memories, but it's now interesting to re-read in light of what we know now. Check this out - http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/03/02/clinton.library/

Libby worked for Rich since 1985, but stopped in the Spring of 2000 - interesting. Jack Quinn than took over. Did they already know all this was coming down and positioned Libby out of the picture because of his loyalties to Cheney/Bush?
Libby says of Rich -

"(Rich) had not violated the tax laws," said Libby.

At a later point, Libby said he thought Rich was a traitor for his company engaging in trades with Iran at a time when that country was holding U.S. hostages. "I did not condone it, I didn't advise it, I don't admire it," he said."

What company was Libby referring to? This working for traitors stuff is nothing new for Libby and the article seems to focus on Libby's denial of any facts regarding Rich's tax evasion, but doesn't mind calling him a traitor - weird!

The article also states that Rich fled the US "17 years ago" (from 2001 would make it 1984), "to avoid prosecution on racketeering, wire fraud, income tax evasion and illegal oil trading charges." Pretty heavy crimes I'd say.

This was Iran/Contra days and I've read much on the subject, but have never seen Rich's name (or his real name) ever in print regarding that. I figure he must have been more low level at the time and probably working for Khashoggi or some sort of intermediary between US and Israel? Perhaps the Iran/Contra gang lobbed these charges on him to put him away? Just thinking out loud. The whole thing is weird. I wonder where Rich is now?

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13. Rich was in BCCI report turned in by Kerry in Dec 1992 - so Clinton would have

had it on his desk during transition and on day one when he took office. Marc Rich was part of that report. The report also stated it needed access to more documents and further investigation on outstanding matters - Rich being one of them.

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16. INVESTIGATIONS OF BCCI TO DATE REMAIN INCOMPLETE, AND MANY LEADS CANNOT BE FOLLOWED UP, AS THE RESULT OF DOCUMENTS BEING WITHHELD FROM US INVESTIGATORS BY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT, AND DOCUMENTS AND WITNESSES BEING WITHHELD FROM US INVESTIGATORS BY THE GOVERNMENT OF ABU DHABI.

Many of the specific criminal transactions engaged in by BCCI's customers remain hidden from investigation as the result of bank secrecy laws in many jurisdictions, British national security laws, and the holding of key witnesses and documents by the Government of Abu Dhabi. Documents pertaining to BCCI's use to finance terrorism, to assist the builders of a Pakistani nuclear bomb, to finance Iranian arms deals, and related matters have been sealed in the United Kingdom by British intelligence and remain unavailable to U.S. investigators. Many other basic matters pertaining to BCCI's criminality, including any list that may exist of BCCI's political payoffs and bribes, remain sequestered in Abu Dhabi and unavailable to U.S. investigators.

Many investigative leads remain to be explored, but cannot be answered with devoting substantial additional sources that to date no agency of government has been in a position to provide.

Unanswered questions include, but are not limited to, the relationship between BCCI and the Banco Nazionale del Lavoro; the alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI; the extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program; BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada; BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family; BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Sarkenalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers; the use of BCCI by central figures in the alleged "October Surprise," BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London; its involvement with foreign intelligence agencies; the financial dealingst of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States; BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich; the nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of other major U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures; the nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI; the sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et Placement in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others.


The withholding of documents and witnesses from U.S. investigators by the Government of Abu Dhabi threatens vital U.S. foreign policy, anti-narcotics and money laundering, and law enforcement interests, and should not be tolerated.

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[Me.]

14. Takes One To Know One

Traitors, that is. They all stick together.

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15. And we are supposed to believe that Clinton and Carville were never aware of that aspect

of Libby and Marc Rich's involvements.

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10. Now you know WHY the pardon was so important - just a tax evader, my ass.

And I was one of the idiots defending Clinton on that while I waited for him to explain what went on with BCCI when he took office. He. Had. NOTHING. To. Say. At. All. About BCCI.

He still tried passing Rich off as just a tax evader.

Like BushInc he EXPECTS The American people to be stupid enough to believe the media spin.