China has fake drips & USA has Polyheme either way you are screwed.

[undergroundpanther]

China is doing what American ER's are doing..already. Killing people in the name of profiteering.


It reads like a bad science fiction novel: A small Illinois biotech company cuts a deal with UCSD. The university agrees to test a substitute for human blood on comatose patients -- victims of gunshots and car crashes -- without the patients' consent. Within the city of San Diego, the experiment is targeted at several neighborhoods south of I-8, where many poor and minority residents are unlikely to have heard of the study and unlikelier still to have the resources to sue if something goes awry. The university conceals the identity of the city's paramedic units who carry the blood substitute.

America's Fake blood,

http://www.sdreader.com/php/cover.php?mode=article&showpg=1&id=20050728
http://www.unknownnews.org/060710a-Panther.html

China's fake blood,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070611/hl_nm/china_health_hospitals_dc_1

[Faux pas]

1. Okay, riddle me this, how in bloody hell is something like this even

slightly legal?

[undergroundpanther]

5. Because criminals are who write the laws

for criminal corporations,It's for Da Money.
Don't you understand we are all expendable. If you ain't in the blessed cabal of elite assholes you are fodder.
Secret trials have been going on on foster kids and prisoners and many times consent has been overruled before.Especially to the people least likely to defend themselves.

The mere mention of experimental medical research on incapacitated human beings -- the mentally ill, the profoundly retarded, and minor children -- summons up visceral reactions, with recollections of the brutal Nazi experimentation.... Even without the planned brutality, we have had deplorable instances of over-reaching medical research in this country."


http://www.ahrp.org/history/history.php

[TZ]

12. Plastic blood is used in a last ditch effort to save lives..

Or would you rather they just let people die because the proper type of blood isn't available? This is second generation plastic blood which shows much more promise than the first type did. Blood shortages are all too common in this country, especially since the FDA recently ruled that actively gay people cannot give blood. Its not "nazi experimentation". Its an effort to save lives here. Doctors, particularly the ER and hospital doctors that use this are going to give this treatment to the people they think need it the most. A partial solution is better than no solution. I would like to think that if I were in a situation where I needed blood and nothing else was available, I would get this treatment. I also have a sister who because she was born missing a whole class of antibodies cannot receive donated blood PERIOD. Plastic blood however, has been designed to be acceptable to all blood types and in her case would be the only type of transfusion she could get that WOULDN'T KILL HER.

[Random_Australian]

8. There's not really any way to test 'who needs lots and lots of blood and the least

damage will be done if this does not work as well as was hoped' than on people who are just about to die, and who are therefore already out of it.

More shilling from the 'alternative health' crowd. Pah.

Really, plastic blood would be an enormous advantage, and to use it on people we need to test it on people.

Anyone got a better idea on how you could test it? Tell me if you do.

[Faux pas]

2. Okay, riddle me this, how in bloody hell is something like this even

slightly legal?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Because the patients were in life threatening situations...

which created a rare but important exception to the usual informed consent rules.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div8&view=text&node=21:1.0.1.1.19.2.31.3&idno=21

Btw, polyheme had already been previously tested rigorously on health human volunteers.

[Faux pas]

16. Is it just me, or does this seem like seriously overstepping

a person's rights? Sometimes I wonder if I've stepped into some parallel universe...Yikes!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. It's hardly cut and dry.

The patient is in a life-threatening situation, can't give consent, but there's valid reason to believe that the stuff can save their life and do so safely.

It's not like it's a conspiracy between the doctors and the polyheme's creators. There was an independent Institutional Review Board that looked thoroughly at the science and the ethics of this before allowing it to happen.

[Duppers]

3. PolyHeme Lawsuit

PolyHeme Lawsuit

The February 22, 2006, Wall St. Journal carried a front-page article about reported health risks of PolyHeme, a blood substitute made by Northfield Laboratories, Inc.

The article says that Northfield "quietly shut down" a trial in which 10 of 81 patients who received PolyHeme suffered heart attacks within 7 days, compared with none of 71 recipients of real blood. According to the article, the company did not publicly disclose the results. The company states that it "did not allocate resources to publication."

Now the Food and Drug Administration is allowing the company to test the drug on potentially hundreds of trauma patients, many of whom will be unconscious and unable to give or deny informed consent. In order to avoid receiving the product, a person must be wearing a blue wristband when they are brought into the ER (or have someone with the knowledge and authority to refuse the treatment on their behalf).

Scientists have long sought a substitute for real blood. Real blood needs refrigeration, carries a risk of infections and must be refrigerated. In addition, it must be typed and matched to the patient's blood to avoid the risk of fatal clotting. The ideal artificial blood would have none of these properties, and could be administered in ambulances or on the battlefield.

Unfortunately, artificial bloods tend to irritate the blood vessels and consequently cause heart attacks.

Some day a safe artificial blood will be developed, but many believe that PolyHeme is not that product.

http://polyhemelawsuit.com/


AND ck out all the google news results:

http://news.google.com/news?um=1&tab=wn&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG%2CGGLG%3A2005-41%2CGGLG%3Aen&q=PolyHeme

[undergroundpanther]

4. Good glad a lawsuit got on them

But how long until another shady kind of shit goes on after all Bush wants to further"relax" the FDA. Wonder why?

[Random_Australian]

10. Bad products get shot down. What I like to see. :)

[JTFrog]

6. Sheds some light on this....

Source: Houston Chronicle/Washington Post

May 26, 2007, 11:51PM
Medical experiments to be done without patients' consent
Five-year project aims to improve car crash, cardiac, other treatments
By ROB STEIN
Washington Post

WASHINGTON — The federal government is undertaking the most ambitious set of studies ever mounted under a controversial arrangement that allows researchers to conduct some kinds of medical experiments without first getting the patients' permission.

The $50 million, five-year project, which will involve more than 20,000 patients in 11 sites in the United States and Canada, is designed to improve treatment after car accidents, shootings, cardiac arrest and other emergencies.

The three studies, organizers say, offer an unprecedented opportunity to find better ways to resuscitate people whose hearts suddenly stop, to stabilize patients who go into shock and to minimize damage from head injuries. Because such patients are usually unconscious at a time when every minute counts, it is often impossible to get consent from them or their families, the organizers say.

The project has been endorsed by many trauma experts and some bioethicists, but others question it. The harshest critics say the research violates fundamental ethical principles.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2860193

[Jeanette in FL]

7. A great time for a reminder - Give Blood

If you are healthy and meet the criteria, please give blood. This will be one way to stop the production of fake blood.

60% of Americans are eligible blood donors, yet only 5% do so.

It only takes about 45 minutes to do so and it can save as many as three lives. Added benefits, you get a mini-physical, a check on Cholesterol level and lose a pound in the meantime.

Summertime is the worse time for blood banks, so think about giving some blood.

[Random_Australian]

11. .... loathe as I am to make it look like something was wrong with your excellent suggestion,

I have to point out that fake blood will be needed anyway. It has some kinda useful properties, ya know.

:)

But that tiny quibble aside, I say you're quite right.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

13. I think it takes at least an hour

Even if the place is empty, from the time you pick up the old tired reading materials, to the time you toss the empty juice container in the trash, it's at least an hour.

I don't remember any Cholesterol level checks. They check temp, pulse, blood pressure, and a pass/fail measure of iron content. There's another "mystery check" if you want to do the double-red-cell machine, but I don't remember what it's for.

Red Cross has me on speed-dial. When my eight weeks is up, they call me to get more (sixteen week intervals if you give double-red-cells.

When giving blood, ipods help.

[undergroundpanther]

14. Glad I got my ipod

for my birthday a few years ago. Can't always donate when my back is acting up it's out because of the medicines.
But when my back isn't being an ass I donate when I can,also my cell phone has a tetris game on it.I bring in the wall charger too because my phone has a cheesy battery and an hour of tetris would kill it,the ladies who do blood where I go let me use a wall plug just ask they'll probably be cool with it.When I go in alone I'll play tetris and listen to the Ipod or I draw. If you are artistic bring a clipboard, paper and drawing stuff it really makes the time go fast. If they don't stick you in your drawing arm. I am ambidextrous so I don't care which arm is stuck, If I meet any people next to me, they are usually fascinated by my look they ask where I got this or that,and I tell them I made it,They check my artwork out, we have interesting time. Last time I went to give blood we talked about our tattoos,she had some great work BTW. And it was funny both of us dancing around carefully to not disturb the blood lines to show each other our work.Sometimes giving blood is relaxing because I can just sit there alone in a different environment.Other times I meet people I would never know otherwise.

[Kiouni]

9. Paramedics don't give blood in the field

here in the United States. AMR is a private service too and does transport calls as well as 911 calls. The article didn't say they were substituting this stuff for real blood because they are not. They are substituting normal .9% saline water for this synthetic blood. The saline solution does not transport any oxygen and just replaces volume which in a severe case can be helpful but in a emergency situation where you cannot not type blood a replacement could be life saving. They have synthetic bloods in use in England and Canada and The U.S. has been pretty slow to implement its use.