Mayors Against Illegal Guns

[Swede]

I've never heard of them before,but sounds like a good start.


http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/home/home.shtml

[bryant69]

1. I don't know - I like the Mayors For Illegal Guns

I'll bet those are some party animals.

Bryant
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[virginia mountainman]

2. Gun Trace data??

What a load of crap... They are lying... (the "alert" over on the right side of the page)

It is rather easy to trace a firearm...Let me tell you how to do it..

Call the manufacturer, with the serial number, that will lead to a wholesaler...

Go to the wholesaler, they can trace it too an FFL....

Go to the FFL, He can lead you to the buyer....

I believe the records must be kept for 20 years..

[ProgressiveEconomist]

3. This is about the "Tiahrt Amendment"--NRA puppets in Congress standing against

urban poliece chiefs and mayors for the benefit of scum-of-the-earth gun dealers, who run guns to gangs.

Gunfire has killed more than 100,000 US children and adolescents since 1979, but police know how to cut the death rate by more than half:

In a Boston experiment starting in 1996 (see http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/188741.pdf ), youth homicides fell 63 percent when police and the ATF cooperated to trace guns used to kill kids back to rogue gun-dealers who run hundreds of guns to gangs.

But the NRA and its puppets in Congress are standing with rogue gun dealers against urban police chiefs and mayors to block repetition of the Boston Gun Project nationwide, or even to continue it in Boston!

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More than 100,000 children and adolescents have been killed by gunfire since 1979 (see http://www.childrensdefense.org/site/DocServer/gunrpt_revised06.pdf?docID=1761 ).

NRA puppet Tod Tiahrt (R-KS) introduced successful legislation in 2003 to BLOCK Boston-Gun-Project style gun tracing by the ATF. Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) is spearheading an effort this summer to overturn the "Tiahrt Amendment".

From http://mikulski.senate.gov/record.cfm?id=275669 :

"07-Jun-2007 Mikulski to Remove Controversial Gun Tracing Restriction From CJS Spending Bill: Removing the Tiahrt provision will dramatically improve ATF's ability to crack down on rogue dealers

WASHINGTON, D.C. In order to more effectively fight violent crime, Commerce, Justice, Science (CJS) Appropriations Subcommittee Chairman Senator Barbara A. Mikulski (D-Md.) today said she will remove language, known as the 'Tiahrt amendment' from this year's CJS spending bill. The amendment, originally authored by Congressman Todd Tiahrt (R-Kansas) in 2003, limits law enforcement from sharing gun tracing information and prevents it from being used in issuing warrants and prosecuting gun-related crimes...."

Law enforcement agencies work hard every day to prevent crime and keep our neighborhoods safe. I am committed to giving them the tools they need to clean up the streets, protect our families, and fight the crime that is destroying neighborhoods and ruining dreams, said Senator Mikulski. America's enforcement agencies work around the clock to keep this country safe. It is time to remove this provision to help bring corrupt gun dealers to justice."

[ProgressiveEconomist]

4. Heres why police gun tracing to find possibly criminal gun dealers can't be

done with phone calls.

According to http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/188741.pdf , the best statistics for finding rogue gun dealers are the number of guns they sold that were used in crimes (such as youth homicides), the TIME-TO-CRIMEs for such guns (how many hours after they left the gun store the the crimes occurred), and the extent of sales of gun models popular with gangs.

A database is needed to make such investigations possible. Several phone calls per crime gun just won't cut it, and HUNDREDS OF KIDS' LIVES have been lost unnecessarily since Todd Tiahrt did the NRA's bidding in 2003.

The blood of those kids is on the hands of rogue gun dealers, Todd Tiahrt, his fellow NRA puppets in Congress, the NRA board and its lobbyists, and ordinary NRA members who said nothing while their spokesmen tied the hands of police and ATF investigators who could have prevented those hundreds of kids' deaths by shutting down scum-of-the-earth gun dealers.

[virginia mountainman]

7. Still no reply to the exposed lies??

Your dancing all around it..

Above, I told HOW to trace guns.....NOTHING YOU SAID CHANGED THAT FACT....

[billbuckhead]

9. Dogs can find guns

BTW, they're have been hundreds of Americans killed by guns since the VT tragedy, no ribbon for them?

[virginia mountainman]

10. Wrong Billy

Not killed by guns, killed by CRIMINALS... Billy, I have yet to ever hear, or read of, a gun getting up, loading itself, pointing itself at a person, and all by itself, pulling its own trigger.

Now maybe when your drunk on your expensive imported beer, you may have seen that, but no one else has.

[billbuckhead]

12. People get killed all the time handling guns, they go off all the time

Even gun nut poster child Bob Barr had one go off a political fundraiser.

A Mexican actress was threatened with a gun and had a heart attack.

BTW, imported beer isn't that expensive. You ought to try some. They have better beer regulation in Europe.

[michreject]

21. You watch to much TV

Gun don't go off unless the trigger is pulled. Modern firearms can be dropped on the hammer, with a round chambered without discharging.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

14. I don't think I can spend the time here to explain databases. Watch the TV

show "NUMB3RS"--I think CBS airs it on Friday evenings. They use databases to solve fictional crimes just about every week.

[virginia mountainman]

18. TV Show???

I would rather not refer to TV shows, in matter of law.

[michreject]

22. solve fictional crimes at that

The post made me laugh for real.

[ContraBass Black]

8. So, how do you do that when the gun, which can be disassembled

Into two hands full of small, interchangeable parts, has been mixed with several other guns, the barrels have been filed, and the serial numbers have been scraped off?

[virginia mountainman]

11. Major federal time for that one.

It is a 10 year federal felony to deface a firearm in that manor, and with acid, and microscopic examination you usually can recover the numbers....and refer to the steps I laid out above.

[billbuckhead]

13. Gee, like that machine gun law that works so well

Which side are you really on?

[virginia mountainman]

16. It does work well...

Lets see...Only ONE crime committed by a legally owned MG since the laws inception...

I am on the side of freedom.....

[billbuckhead]

19. So you admit gun laws can work when enforced?

[ContraBass Black]

15. Is every major part numbered?

[virginia mountainman]

17. No...

Usually just the frame

[benEzra]

20. On the receiver (main body of a long gun) or the frame (of a handgun), in two places

Is every major part numbered?

Usually the receiver (i.e., main body of a rifle or shotgun), or the frame (of a pistol or revolver). AFAIK, it is stamped in at least two places, one of which is hidden. And merely filing the number off doesn't erase it, because the numbers are generally stamped rather than etched, which forges the number into the metal's grain structure; you'd have to grind pretty deeply to make the number unrecoverable, even if you get them all.

The small parts, barrel, etc. are generally not numbered, because they are easily replaced (and it would be difficult to number the tiny levers and springs anyway). The important thing is the receiver or frame.

[NaturalHigh]

5. Yeah, I'll bet they could really cut a rug.

Where do you come up with this stuff? :rofl:

[bryant69]

6. I apologize if I offended you. Just struck me as funny. n/t

[NaturalHigh]

23. Not offended at all.

I got a kick out of it.