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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 03:09 PM
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Former Intel Chairman Graham: Re: Impeachment-Bushs "Dereliction Of Duty" More Serious Than Clintons
Edited on Tue Jun-12-07 03:10 PM by kpete
Former Senate Intel Chairman Graham: The Case For Impeachment ‘Is Even More Truthful Today’

Former Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Bob Graham (D-FL) was one of 23 Senators to have voted against the Iraq war resolution in October 2002. “With sadness,” he told his colleagues, “I predict we will live to regret this day, Oct. 10, 2002, the day we stood by and we allowed these terrorist organizations to continue growing in the shadows.”

Just four months after Bush launched the Iraq war, Graham floated the idea of impeachment. “Clearly, if the standard is now what the House of Representatives did in the impeachment of Bill Clinton, the actions of this president (are) much more serious in terms of dereliction of duty,” he said. In an interview this week with ThinkProgress, Graham said he stood by his 2003 statement:

How many Americans would say that it is a greater dereliction of duty as President of the United States to have a consensual sexual affair or to take the country to war under manipulated, fabricated, and largely untruthful representations which the President knew or should have known. I think the answer to that question is clear.

Graham added that it’s unlikely Bush would be impeached, explaining that he learned the word impeachment is an “incendiary word” that Americans shy away from. “Americans don’t like impeachment because it connotes the kind of instability that so many other countries around the world have known.” But he added that his original remark regarding impeachment “was a truthful statement at the time and it’s even more truthful today.”

VIDEO and more at:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/12/graham-interview/
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electropop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 03:17 PM
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1. It amazes me that a BJ is impeachable...
...but mass murder, lies, contempt of Congress, and more, are not. :WTF:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 03:24 PM
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3. It was perjury and obstruction of justice. And, that is an important standard to
remember today. Clinton was deemed to have lied under oath, a crime, to obfuscate a sexual tryst.

Lying to Congress is also crime. Bush lied top Congress to justify going to war. Sufficient cause exists.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 03:23 PM
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2. Apparently the new law is that if you don't have the votes you must never, ever even try,
justice and the rule of law be damned.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 03:31 PM
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5. Apparently 36 investigations, 200+ hearings, numerous resignations and convictions,
a fast growing list of cooperating witnesses, and the stuff we don't know about, have nothing to do with justice and law in the minds of some.

Let's keep impeachment just under the table, to avoid the onslaught of vitrolic attacks that will ensue.

And, let's get real about what is going on. Your bash goes overboard with illogical rhetoric, salvaged only by the qualifier "apparently."
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 03:25 PM
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4. Because people
believe wrongly does not make it true. Bush should be, must be impeached by any definition of society and law. Any person bringing up a point of justice must say this NOT affirm that the power to do so has anything to do with the free will of the commons, suppressed, deflected by propaganda and not represented by a government subverted by fraud. "American don't like impeachment". Is this because they couldn't sell Clinton's impeachment coup to the masses? That is the mirror image of the lie. To combat that means fighting the lie directly. We are a corrupted nation from the top down. The people would demand law if they were not deprived of mind and voice every step of the way.

Delegated authorities who rely on the weakness of the victims as a further excuse not to do their duty toward them are part of the lie no matter how noble their conscience may be. this crime and corrution runs too plainly and too deep to hide behind stolen myths.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 03:32 PM
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6. What concerns me most is what lack of impeachment says.
It tells us, the rest of the world, the current pResident, future Presidents, and everyone else that it's OK to break the law, lie, cheat, steal, spy, strip us of rights, violate the oath of office, and piss on the Constitution.

Bush has set the bar very high for impeachment if this Congress doesn't act. And I fear the GOP may have someone far more sinister, far worse, than Bush/Cheney/Rove being developed behind the scenes even now. Not impeaching Bush/Cheney now will make it much more difficult to do in the future, and everyone in Congress knows this.

The American people must DEMAND impeachment so loudly that Congress cannot continue ignoring us.
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Phredicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 03:36 PM
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7. "Bush has set the bar very high for impeachment if this Congress doesn't act."
Yep - it may as well be off the table forever. And then what brake on executive power are we left with?
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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-12-07 04:43 PM
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8. Thanks, Senator Graham. Too liitle and too late. Couldn't you have
stood up with Senator Byrd?

Why have you all let this happen?

Now WHAT?
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-13-07 01:38 PM
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9. kick
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